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This is actually a problem for the USA and France. Does Australia have nuclear submarines have an impact on China?
USA is robbing France and Australia of a $90 billion nuclear submarine contract.
You mean France is robbing Australia of 90 billion on just 12 electric subs.
Australia having 8 to 12 nuclear subs are very dangerous for any Chinese Task Force or their naval or air bases since its close to the waters where it’s very hard to detect.
 

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That's my question. Why does Australia need 12 simplified nuclear submarines when the Virginia-class is in the western Pacific? Why does Australia need a few extra ships when the US Pacific Fleet is here?

The threat I'm talking about is Australia threatening China. Last time Australia claimed to be militarily tough on China, even Taiwan's media laughed at Australia. Maybe 12 more submarines will make the threat less ridiculous.
Why does Australia have Collins class submarines when we have the Virginia’s or Seawolves? Maybe Australia wants their own subs and put them somewhere else. Wouldn’t underestimate a nuke sub with a large load of weaponry against a Chinese fleet or a naval base or shipyard.
 

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That's my question. Why does Australia need 12 simplified nuclear submarines when the Virginia-class is in the western Pacific? Why does Australia need a few extra ships when the US Pacific Fleet is here?

The threat I'm talking about is Australia threatening China. Last time Australia claimed to be militarily tough on China, even Taiwan's media laughed at Australia. Maybe 12 more submarines will make the threat less ridiculous.
Australia needs these nuclear submarines so they can operate in Taiwan region in South China Sea

diesel electric submarines cant do it only nuclear submarines can operate so close to Chinese mainland

this is why Australia needs nuclear
 

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Why does Australia have Collins class submarines when we have the Virginia’s or Seawolves? Maybe Australia wants their own subs and put them somewhere else. Wouldn’t underestimate a nuke sub with a large load of weaponry against a Chinese fleet or a naval base or shipyard.
Because Australia needs to stand alone against Indonesia, but not against China.

I'm going to put it bluntly, if we count the combat capability, the US is 10,000, Australia is probably 20. So, for China, there is no difference between 10,000 and 10,020. Because the margin of error in the US is probably more than 1,000.

All we care about is whether the US is pulling out of the nuclear non-proliferation agreement. As for what weapons Australia got, no one cares. Because Australia is just a branch of the US, there is no need to respond to Australia alone.
 

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This lowkey sidesteps QUAD a little bit.

And it is too little too late.
The QUAD is still there - India is still a goat that will be sacrified at the feet of the Chinese - this new alliance is about giving sensitive technology to Australia only - India is not trusted as much as Australia is. There of layers of trust that is show in the differnet types of alliances that exists.
 

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You mean France is robbing Australia of 90 billion on just 12 electric subs.
Australia having 8 to 12 nuclear subs are very dangerous for any Chinese Task Force or their naval or air bases since its close to the waters where it’s very hard to detect.
China is not Iraq.
Because China really has weapons of mass destruction, not washing powder.
 

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The QUAD is still there - India is still a goat that will be sacrified at the feet of the Chinese - this new alliance is about giving sensitive technology to Australia only - India is not trusted as much as Australia is. There of layers of trust that is show in the differnet types of alliances that exists.
Yea I think we all can see that India is not trusted. Right on that.
 

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Folks what are the implications of this deal? Do u think Pakistan will be getting type 93 or 94 now ? if you ask me, yes it will bound to happen
 

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China is not Iraq.
Because China really has weapons of mass destruction, not washing powder.
The only way China gets defeated in any hypothetical war is a complete Soviet styled internal collapse but that’s unlikely to happen because unlike the Soviet Union China is largely ethnically homogeneous.
 

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That's my question. Why does Australia need 12 simplified nuclear submarines when the Virginia-class is in the western Pacific? Why does Australia need a few extra ships when the US Pacific Fleet is here?

The threat I'm talking about is Australia threatening China. Last time Australia claimed to be militarily tough on China, even Taiwan's media laughed at Australia. Maybe 12 more submarines will make the threat less ridiculous.
Australia is not going to fight against China alone. Neither is the UK going to fight China alone. Both the USA client states will only fight China if the USA is part of it. Australia would barely be able to challenge Indonesia militarily, let alone China. How can Australia's military (ranked 19th most powerful in the world) challenge China's military (Ranked 3rd most powerful). Australia's military has 1/5th the firepower of China's military. China would destroy the Royal Navy in days in the South China sea. The Australian Navy would most likely only last a day.
 

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Australia is not going to fight against China alone. Neither is the UK going to fight China alone. Both the USA client states will only fight China if the USA is part of it. Australia would barely be able to challenge Indonesia militarily, let alone China. How can Australia's military (ranked 19th most powerful in the world) challenge China's military (Ranked 3rd most powerful). Australia's military has 1/5th the firepower of China's military. China would destroy the Royal Navy in days in the South China sea. The Australian Navy would most likely only last a day.
Anti-china fanatics seem to be trying to justify Australia's move by portraying China as angry. In fact, public opinion in China is full of joy. Two of China's concerns are limited to whether the United States will abandon nuclear non-proliferation, and the Morrison administration's fanatical pro-American leanings.

Delivery of the 12 submarines could take until 2050. The US and UK stabbed the French hard. The rift between the United States and the European Union is widening rapidly. Trust in the United States in France and Germany will continue to decline. Indonesia feels most directly threatened, and its distrust of the United States will deepen. The rest of the world finally realised that they were different from the Anglo-Saxons. Indians will wonder why they can't get the F35 and Japanese will wonder why they are so restricted by Americans.

Biden must be crazy to trade such a huge immediate geopolitical setback for a small military help that is likely to result over the next 30 years.

Why shouldn't the Chinese be happy? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 

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China is not Iraq.
Because China really has weapons of mass destruction, not washing powder.
And we have WMDs as well. So the question is what will China do?
Australia is not going to fight against China alone. Neither is the UK going to fight China alone. Both the USA client states will only fight China if the USA is part of it. Australia would barely be able to challenge Indonesia militarily, let alone China. How can Australia's military (ranked 19th most powerful in the world) challenge China's military (Ranked 3rd most powerful). Australia's military has 1/5th the firepower of China's military. China would destroy the Royal Navy in days in the South China sea. The Australian Navy would most likely only last a day.
Australia's sub force is something not to underestimate, they will bring havoc on China's naval fleets along with launching missiles undetected somewhere in the Pacific Ocean thats vast. China also fears our own sub force as well. Do not doubt it and China has mentioned about it in the past and still do.
 

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