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Its an entire series of products but the one brought down had a 2 km range. I think its this one: Buy Phantom 3 Professional | DJI Store
Yes, I just found out. The upgraded version is available to buy online here in India as well, costs 3 times more though.

While it is a matter of speculation indeed, to be very honest, to neutral eyes, with all due respect to ISPR and the job they do, it looks like rather unprofessional work to release pictures/videos without verifiable metedata. Seems like it is meant for local consumption only.
Anyways I'll not ponder upon that too much.
Are you aware of any official Indian response to this ?
 

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Yes, I just found out. The upgraded version is available to buy online here in India as well, costs 3 times more though.

While it is a matter of speculation indeed, to be very honest, to neutral eyes, with all due respect to ISPR and the job they do, it looks like rather unprofessional work to release pictures/videos without verifiable metedata. Seems like it is meant for local consumption only.
Anyways I'll not ponder upon that too much.
Are you aware of any official Indian response to this ?
Like I said, salvaging data often ends up screwing the metadata though they may try to use its GPS sensor to retrieve coordinates which might be able to pinpoint where the phantom has been but it still won't correspond with the messed up metadata.
Neutrally speaking, the pictures seem genuine, crop angles and resolution are on point, on board video also also checks out.
As for the Indian response, they have maintained deniability, which is to be expected as its a commercial product and they know it was very difficult to trace back to them though I think they had not taken into account that ISPR will be able to extract pictures from the device dating back to the office of the firm itself.
 

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@nForce You are still discussing this point?

Even after I told you the reason yesterday?

The metadata was not deleted somehow by ISPR or the data was corrupted to begin with...fact is that Facebook removes all the timestamps and corresponding data from any image uploaded to it's servers. That's it.

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@nForce You are still discussing this point?

Even after I told you the reason yesterday?

The metadata was not deleted somehow by ISPR or the data was corrupted to begin with...fact is that Facebook removes all the timestamps and corresponding data from any image uploaded to it's servers. That's it.

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No no..you are getting me wrong.. I'm saying, we should have the original data, whatever that is, uploaded somewhere and not necessarily Facebook.
 

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Like I said, salvaging data often ends up screwing the metadata though they may try to use its GPS sensor to retrieve coordinates which might be able to pinpoint where the phantom has been but it still won't correspond with the messed up metadata.
Neutrally speaking, the pictures seem genuine, crop angles and resolution are on point, on board video also also checks out.
As for the Indian response, they have maintained deniability, which is to be expected as its a commercial product and they know it was very difficult to trace back to them though I think they had not taken into account that ISPR will be able to extract pictures from the device dating back to the office of the firm itself.
SOP of equipment bought off the shelf in any armed forces will result in data being wiped out first, before it is operationalised. Especially of surveillance. Let me assure you, this is SOP. Not just for armed forces, which are more stringent, but also for regular police forces. So the 'Indian drone' had images of an internal office. That too of a company. Seriously!
 

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No no..you are getting me wrong.. I'm saying, we should have the original data, whatever that is, uploaded somewhere and not necessarily Facebook.
So ISPR should go on the whims of India now?

Agr woh data bhi day dia tab bhi you people will get some other excuse that is was all fabricated and images were staged somewhere in the hills of Mangla! :P
 

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So ISPR should go on the whims of India now?

Agr woh data bhi day dia tab bhi you people will get some other excuse that is was all fabricated and images were staged somewhere in the hills of Mangla! :P
I cannot make a remark on that.
Whether people will accept it or not that's a different story. Even you echoed the same voice last night. But when you present a case you have to make it a tight one, that's all.

If the video has been extracted then the metadata will be there. Uploading in FB may remove it, but original toh hai na ?
I'm just pointing out that only. I thought I should convey the same message to @Icarus
Anyways, we have discussed this to death already. Nice talking to both of you.
 

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Hey Atleast they have 2 ISI Pigeon Spies and an ISI Camel spy ..:D




I'm using my cell .. But one is uploaded in the ISPR FB page.. It ends unexpectedly - due to it getting shot down..:lol:

How can I forget this clown @Abhijeet Sarkar :rofl:
Hello monkey king,any spy agency is not so blind to use such low power drone on enemy territory & put the surveillance record to some enemy hand that easily..Be happy with your home made fantasy story like what your Govt & ISI have been doing since last decades.Such fake orgasmic phenomenon can only make lose your brain cell & can only happen in your fantasy land..lol:lol:..
 

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SOP of equipment bought off the shelf in any armed forces will result in data being wiped out first, before it is operationalised. Especially of surveillance. Let me assure you, this is SOP. Not just for armed forces, which are more stringent, but also for regular police forces. So the 'Indian drone' had images of an internal office. That too of a company. Seriously!
As I have mentioned multiple times that the data was secured "Post-Deletion". Any military worth its salt these days can salvage data post deletion. We have had to hone this skill in particular to the point where our technicians have been able to extract deleted data from a partially burnt HDD, as we often have to extract data from terrorist's mobiles, laptops, PCs, Cameras and mem cards.
 

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