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I have never been to India so I can't use personal first hand experiance with that country. And I don't trust stats touted by global organizations as I know these have been pulled out of their backsides. I do often watch vlogs by people travel to India to get a insight. This becomes particularly interesting when you get a vlogger travelling to India and then Pakistan.

Obviously you can't use one vlog to inform your thinking but I have watched dozens over last 2/3 years. I have been to Pakistan last year so I don't need insight on that. Although what I saw and what read was so off that it could have been another country.

But the composite of the vlogs draws a picture of India [in comparison to Pakistan] as chaotic, dirty, run down,ugly poverty lurking on every corner. Pakistan on all scores looks better and every vlogger makes that point - that they are positvely surprised. Meaning they expected when they crossed into Pakistan they would plunge quite a few steps down from the Indian normal. But the surprise is the other way around.
 

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The US is Pakistan's number 1 export partner. China is trying to make Pakistan dependent on it. Russia is an enemy of Pakistan. Where do you suggest going? India?
I have been hearing this myth since I was born. Do you know where Pakistan US trade stands at? LOL Morocco and the US have a similar trade volume. Pakistan US trade is very very little. 6 billion is absolutely peanuts for a relationship that goes decades back. Besides, China is soon going to replace the US as the highest trading partner. Only a matter of time.

China is a much better partner for Pakistan than backstabbing Americans. There is no comparison. The US has waged a war in Pakistan and killed countless innocent Pakistanis. Drone strikes, false accusations and do more lectures. Now compare that with China who invested tens of billions. The US even opposes Chinese invesment in Pakistan. The US is a sworne enemy of Pakistan. Every US action reeks with enmity.

Russia is not an enemy of Pakistan. Russia approached Pakistan right after the latter became independent. Again, it was Pakistan who chose devil America. We are unfortunate to have bad leaders. Leaders who lack judgement and insight.

For the first time in history Pakistan is being forced to make the right choice. Finally relations with China and Russia are top priority. I am certain that if we had little room to maneuver today we would still be making the same old mistakes. Still be asking America for aid. Still be asking for F-16s etc.
 
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The US is Pakistan's number 1 export partner.
Agreed. Pakistan has to extract the best possible deal out of the west. Not only because of it's benefits like you touched on [exports] but also to make Chinese work harder. Let there never be illusions. Chinese are bigger bas*tards then any Westerner. They have absolutely nothing in common with us. If you guys think Western women are loose you should see Chinese women. They 'fly'. TYpical Chinese is money loving, pork snorting, athiest to whom concept of god is vile. The only thing that Paks and Chinese have is convergence of interests. By keeping other options open the Chinese have to be top of their form in dealing with Pakistan or they will screw us over.

And anybody having doubts should check out how they take care of Uighur Muslims. It's nothing short of dispicable. In fact our ignorance to this and we have to because of our strategic needs often annoys Turks to the point where many are forced to re-consider their friendship to Pakistan. I always of course remind them that we don't have a choice.
 

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The Americans can cry rivers now. They have behemoth challanges ahead of them. We are not on their side anymore. Cold War challanges were kindergarten stuff compared to challanges of this era. China is a behemoth. Russia resurgent. Iran, Pakistan etc. all challanges for the West. The West is dealing with major problems. The bad news is that US/NATO has no support from most developing nations except certain East Asian nations and Hindustan. Like US China has money and influence. The best US and Western nations can do is make noise. Noise that falls on deaf ears as UN votes indicate.
It is a common goal only.. We are not against China but having issues at border.

If India will be a weak country then will not be able to protect ladakh and AP against to China.

Since Chinese are developing fast and also becoming military power then it is interest of India to get such advance and better military products from US and west.

We are having independent foreign policy. Previously, US was not ready to give such weapons and now, she is ready to give.. So what's wrong ¿

We are paying the cash amount and getting. We will not do the same mistake which did by Pakistan. It is very clear at our side.
 

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Agreed. Pakistan has to extract the best possible deal out of the west. Not only because of it's benefits like you touched on [exports] but also to make Chinese work harder. Let there never be illusions. Chinese are bigger bas*tards then any Westerner. They have absolutely nothing in common with us. If you guys think Western women are loose you should see Chinese women. They 'fly'. TYpical Chinese is money loving, pork snorting, athiest to whom concept of god is vile. The only thing that Paks and Chinese have is convergence of interests. By keeping other options open the Chinese have to be top of their form in dealing with Pakistan or they will screw us over.

And anybody having doubts should check out how they take care of Uighur Muslims. It's nothing short of dispicable. In fact our ignorance to this and we have to because of our strategic needs often annoys Turks to the point where many are forced to re-consider their friendship to Pakistan. I always of course remind them that we don't have a choice.
Don't tell me you buy Western Uyghur BS. China is doing what we should have done long ago. The West doesn't care about Uyghur Muslims LOL It is simply conveniently fabricating anti-China BS. This is the reason why Pakistan has anti-state elements in every province and China only has HK to deal with. As a nation we have a lot to learn. Westerners exploit their colonies. Until this day Westerners have loyal dogs in their formal colonies. Pakistan is no different. It is time Pakistan learnt from China and had a zero tolerance policy towards anti-state elements like China.

As for Chinese culture, I am not going to lambast any culture nor tradition. What difference would there be between us and right wing Westerners? Whether someone believes in God or a snake is a personal matter. All I care about is our converging interests.
 
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No, I don't. But that does not mean there is no Ughuir issue. There is. Athiest states are not known for being haven for Muslims.
I am sure there is, but China is doing whatever needs to be done. The West is going to exploit this weakness sooner or later. China has tackled the problem head on giving no shit. If Pakistan had only done a fraction of what China is doing we wouldn't be exploited over and over again.
 

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Agreed. Pakistan has to extract the best possible deal out of the west. Not only because of it's benefits like you touched on [exports] but also to make Chinese work harder. Let there never be illusions. Chinese are bigger bas*tards then any Westerner. They have absolutely nothing in common with us. If you guys think Western women are loose you should see Chinese women. They 'fly'. TYpical Chinese is money loving, pork snorting, athiest to whom concept of god is vile. The only thing that Paks and Chinese have is convergence of interests. By keeping other options open the Chinese have to be top of their form in dealing with Pakistan or they will screw us over.

And anybody having doubts should check out how they take care of Uighur Muslims. It's nothing short of dispicable. In fact our ignorance to this and we have to because of our strategic needs often annoys Turks to the point where many are forced to re-consider their friendship to Pakistan. I always of course remind them that we don't have a choice.



Bro, the americans/nato/west have killed over 3 million Muslims globally since August 1990. The Chinese havn't. The SAME people who are now claiming that the Chinese are oppressing the Uighurs are the SAME people who claimed Iraq had WMD that can destroy Europe in 30 mins.
 

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It is a common goal only.. We are not against China but having issues at border.

If India will be a weak country then will not be able to protect ladakh and AP against to China.

Since Chinese are developing fast and also becoming military power then it is interest of India to get such advance and better military products from US and west.

We are having independent foreign policy. Previously, US was not ready to give such weapons and now, she is ready to give.. So what's wrong ¿

We are paying the cash amount and getting. We will not do the same mistake which did by Pakistan. It is very clear at our side.
Pakistan may have made a mistake, but we have the Americans by the scruff of their neck in Afghanistan. We are not going to let go. When the Americans ask cynical questions why Pakistan is supporting the Taliban they already know the answer to that question. Pakistan is mending the mistakes it made.

When the US and India scream against Pakistan, we know that we are doing the right thing.
 
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The boat has sailed on recalibrating Pak US ties.

A role reversal has taken place the last decade where Pakistan was abandoned in middle of war catered for American strategic needs more than Pakistan's.

American dedication to India's cause in the region is a strategic blunder which Pakistan advises against be it as a friend, ally or enemy. It is in best interest of America to not bet on a losing horse.
 

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If you say, war against terror then who was responsible¿
Dude, when were you born? Are have you been living under a rock all this time? Jog your memory back to 9/11/01, I'm sure a few neurons would spark up.

Yes, it was Pakistan itself by hosting Talibani in Pakistan against USSR.
Yup, as I thought ... you have been living under a rock all this time. Guess it's not your fault ... you know ... being indian n' all.

US gave you everything to you by paying cash, military items etc....
I suggest you start eating almonds, coz it's clear you have some sort of irregular brain activity ... or lack thereof.

Pakistan enjoyed relationship with US as much they can in 1980s and took the benefits ...
Of course, when there is a Nuclear Armed Superpower, Soviet Union, on Pakistan's border. One would think we were having a BBQ and singing Kumbaya all day long.

It was not fault of India.
india itself is a mistake! And you .... seriously need to do your homework and get clued up on historical facts n figures before coming here with your incoherent babble.
 

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The Americans can cry rivers now. They have behemoth challanges ahead of them. We are not on their side anymore. Cold War challanges were kindergarten stuff compared to challanges of this era. China is a behemoth. Russia resurgent. Iran, Pakistan etc. all challanges for the West. The West is dealing with major problems. The bad news is that US/NATO has no support from most developing nations except certain East Asian nations and Hindustan. Like US China has money and influence. The best US and Western nations can do is make noise. Noise that falls on deaf ears as UN votes indicate.
the conversation finishes on this. india was with the Soviets and they are no more but reaped plenty of benefits from them. today they are with the west so it leads one to believe that india bordering China standing against the Chinese and 3ussia alliance.

lets place bets on the eventualities.
 

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@PanzerKiel I'm confused again. does it mean that I am lying or is mr. dalit the multi-ID king making crap up.

P.S
have you noticed the increase in killings of FC personnel ever since they stopped calling in air support/drone strikes at the behest of PM Moran Khan?
 
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