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  • As Washington’s focus switches from war on terror to its rivalry with China, Pakistan finds it has lost priority billing in US foreign policy
  • With Islamabad clashing with India over Kashmir, and taking billions of dollars of investment from Beijing, it may decide its future lies with China
A month after Joe Biden assumed the US presidency, Pakistan is increasingly concerned that the direction of its future relationship with the United States could be determined by Washington’s competition with China and the role that neighbouring nemesis India might play in it.


Since assuming power on January 20, Biden’s administration has placed great emphasis on strengthening the role of the Quadrilateral Alliance comprising the US and its key allies in the Indo-Pacific geopolitical theatre: Japan, Australia and India.


Building a “stronger regional architecture” under the umbrella of the Quad to counter China’s expanding role in the Indo-Pacific has figured prominently in US government readouts about recent conversations between the US secretaries of state and defence and their Indian counterparts, as well as for Biden’s video conference with Prime Minister Narendra Modi on February 8.


As China’s close ally and India’s historical enemy, “Islamabad will want to avoid getting in the crosshairs of US-China competition”, said Maleeha Lodhi, a former Pakistan ambassador to the US, United Nations and Britain. “And while it seeks an improved relationship with the US, it is obvious to Islamabad that Pakistan’s strategic future lies with China.”

On the other hand, Pakistan has lost the priority billing in US foreign policy for the first time since the September 11 al-Qaeda attacks because the war on terrorism no longer drives Washington’s international agenda.

With the US withdrawing its forces from Afghanistan and war zones in the Middle East, it has been supplanted by great power competition with China and Russia.

Pakistan has felt the impact of this policy shift since 2018, when the Donald Trump administration imposed punitive tariffs on Beijing and launched a diplomatic campaign against the Belt and Road Initiative.


Moeed Yusuf, Prime Minister Imran Khan’s national security adviser, has repeatedly voiced Pakistan’s discomfort at being portrayed as a spoiler by the US as it seeks to persuade India to abandon its traditional foreign policy of non-alignment and join forces against China.


“Pakistan wants bilateral US-Pak relations that are not clouded by hyphenating the relationship with US policy towards other countries in the region,” Yusuf said in a speech in Islamabad on January 22.

Islamabad has been under pressure from the US to cut down the scale of the estimated US$60 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC).

Since its launch in 2015, more than US$28 billion has been spent on building power generation plants and connectivity infrastructure along China’s only overland connection to the Middle East via the port of Gwadar that it operates on Pakistan’s coast.


After a two-year slowdown coinciding with a change of government in Islamabad, Pakistan reinvigorated the CPEC last year by signing contracts for new hydropower projects in the half of disputed Kashmir that it administers.

The contracts angered India, which administers the other half of Kashmir and had become embroiled in a military stand-off with China in the Ladakh region of the disputed territory.

India and Pakistan have been enemies since independence in 1947, and have fought two major wars and several localised conflicts in the Kashmir region.

In the first remarks on CPEC by a senior official since Biden became president, US Central Command chief General Keith McKenzie reiterated the Pentagon’s view of Pakistan as a key facilitator of China’s expanding role in the Middle East and South Asia.

“China uses its Belt and Road Initiative and the CPEC to expand Chinese influence and presence,” McKenzie said in an address to the Middle East Institute in Washington on February 8.

Irrespective of this, CPEC would remain Islamabad’s “overriding priority”, ex-ambassador Lodhi said.

“CPEC is emblematic of China’s aim to strengthen Pakistan, economically and strategically,” she said.

Lodhi said Islamabad did not think the Biden administration would adopt a zero-sum view of Pakistan’s ties with China as these were “a stabilising factor for the region”.

“Indeed, there may be regional convergences between the US and China as for example in seeking peace and stability in Afghanistan where Pakistan’s interests align with both countries,” she said.

Islamabad awaits Biden’s decision as to whether he will stick to the May 1 deadline set for the withdrawal of the remaining 2,500 US troops from Afghanistan set under the Trump administration’s February 2020 deal with the Taliban.

If Biden postpones the withdrawal and the Taliban responds violently, Pakistan fears it will be blamed for not applying enough pressure on insurgent leaders based on its territory.

“We can’t be in a situation where Pakistan is seen as the potential solution for all problems and when the solution doesn’t come then Pakistan is seen as the reason for all evils,” said national security adviser Yusuf, addressing the Wilson Centre, a Washington-based think tank, on January 19.

Pakistan is equally nervous about the impact closer ties between New Delhi and Washington will have on its ability to defend itself against India.

“The US is going to help India through capability build-up, technological transfers and development, and intelligence sharing,” said Asfandyar Mir, a postdoctoral fellow at the Centre for International Security and Cooperation at Stanford University in California.

“This will certainly spill over and qualitatively improve India’s conventional military posture towards Pakistan, which for now is somewhat balanced,” he said.

"In Pakistani perception, this will not only strengthen India but also pose a significant challenge to Pakistan’s stepped-up focus on Kashmir.”

Islamabad and New Delhi have not been on speaking terms since India rescinded the semi-autonomous status of the part of Kashmir it administers in August 2019.

Pakistan’s diplomatic response has focused on human rights abuses against Kashmir’s Muslim-majority population by India’s Hindu nationalist government, such as cutting off internet access to people living under a security lockdown since August 2019.

On February 5, three days before Biden’s conversation with Modi, India restored 4G connectivity in Kashmir.

The US State Department’s positive response touched a raw nerve in Pakistan by speaking about “India’s Jammu and Kashmir”, rather than deferring to its disputed status by calling it Indian-administered Kashmir.

Pakistan immediately expressed its “disappointment” at the State Department’s choice of words, prompting a clarification that US policy on Kashmir had not changed.


Pakistan has been grey-listed since 2018 by the FATF, a Paris-based watchdog established by the G7 to crack down against terrorism financing and money laundering.


On February 22 the FATF will evaluate Pakistan’s compliance with a 27-point action plan given to Islamabad last year as a road map for exiting the grey list.

If it is deemed to have failed to be in compliance, however, Pakistan runs the risk of joining Iran and North Korea on the FATF blacklist of countries declared to be state financiers of terrorism.

Blacklisting would lead to the imposition of economic sanctions by the G7 and most multilateral organisations.

In Pakistan’s case, it would collapse its fragile economy and is thus considered by many analysts to be a “nuclear option” that Washington would only ever use in extreme circumstances.

Pakistan hopes that its recent actions, including the conviction on terrorism financing charges of top leaders of the Jamaat-ud-Dawa militant group, will relieve pressure from the FATF.

However, those hopes may have been dealt a blow by the January 28 decision of Pakistan’s Supreme Court to uphold the acquittal of British-Pakistani al-Qaeda operative Omar Saeed Sheikh on charges of kidnapping and murdering American journalist Daniel Pearl in Karachi in 2002.

The verdict sparked outrage in Washington and led the next day to a terse conversation between US Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi the following day – to date, the only interaction between the Biden administration and Islamabad.

The State Department afterwards issued a statement which was dominated by Blinken’s demands that Sheikh and his accomplices be held accountable.

He barely acknowledged the points covered in the parallel statement issued by Pakistan’s ministry of foreign affairs, which cited Qureshi as placing a premium on forging an economic partnership with the US, to replace their erstwhile security-dominated relationship.

This has renewed concern in Islamabad about “the lingering sword of blacklisting through the FATF and associated uncertainty on where the new US administration would stand”, Mir said.

Pakistan’s powerful military, which dominates foreign and security policymaking in Islamabad, appeared to signal its concerns about the evolving strategic situation on January 20, hours before Biden’s inauguration, by demonstrating the outreach of its sizeable strategic arsenal.

For only the second time ever, Pakistan tested its longest range nuclear-capable ballistic missile, the solid fuel-propelled Shaheen-III.

With a claimed range of 2,750km, it is capable of reaching India’s easternmost territory, the Andaman and Nicobar Islands in the Bay of Bengal – the primary testing site for India’s ballistic missile programme.

The test ended a moratorium adopted during the Trump administration because of US sensitivities about the Pakistani missile’s technical capability of reaching Israel.

Ex-ambassador Lodhi said the recent test was part of “Pakistan’s strategy to maintain a stable deterrence in South Asia which has been seriously disturbed by India’s escalation in acquiring weapons systems that augment its strategic capability.”

“Pakistan’s motivation is defensive and the test was not timed or aimed at anything beyond this consideration,” she said.

Nonetheless, the timing of Pakistan’s Shaheen-III test “surprised a lot of people” in the US, Mir said.

“Pakistan believes, perhaps correctly, that its nuclear programme is insurance against any punitive measures by the US, so it might remind US interlocutors of nuclear issues and elevate them in the dialogue,” he said.

Richard Olsen, a former US special representative on Afghanistan and Pakistan, said the question facing the Biden administration was whether it “simply accepts as an unpleasant fact that Pakistan has already moved into China’s camp or try to compete with China in Pakistan”.

While Islamabad’s strong tilt toward Beijing might be seized upon as an easy way for Washington to get out of a dysfunctional relationship, “there are costs”, Olsen warned, in a paper published by the Washington-based US Institute of Peace on February 3.

“Pakistan is a nuclear-weapons state with the world’s sixth largest army. That is a lot of combat power to allow simply to fall into a rival’s hands,” he said.

If the US entirely gives up its leverage in Pakistan in favour of building influence in India, its ability to play its important historic role in de-escalating conflicts between the nuclear-armed South Asian rivals would be diminished, he said.

“Since China shows little interest in assuming this responsibility, and in any case will not be perceived by [New] Delhi as an honest broker given that China has its own border conflicts with India, the likelihood of an escalatory cycle getting out of control seems more likely,” Olsen said.

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Tom Hussain is an Islamabad-based journalist and Pakistan affairs analyst

Superb analysis. The writing is on the wall. As the US continues to appease its poodle Hindustan Pakistan US relations are thank God set to deteriorate further.
Only a fool will trust USA , after what they did to Pakistan after Soviet Afghanistan war and after 2011 .
Majority of Pakistanis know it . Also they are arming India and backing them on every forum .
 

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There is no point in having major relations with america as there is not much they can offer us anymore. Everything we need we can get from our trusted ally China.
 

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Only a fool will trust USA , after what they did to Pakistan after Soviet Afghanistan war and after 2011 .
Majority of Pakistanis know it . Also they are arming India and backing them on every forum .
This sentiment is widespread. We are never going to trust the Americans.

Each time the Americans try to reach out we need to remind ourselves we are dealing with a backstabbing devil.
 

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Biden or Trump, they are two sides to the same coin. It doesn't matter who sits in the White House ... both are bought and paid for, these dogs (us presidents) have owners. And american people are stupid enough to think that their vote counts for anything.

Pakistan ought to choose their allies and friends with great care. Choose REAL allies and friends, like China, like Russia and other countries who don't sell themselves to the West.
 

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US never needed Pakistan, except on two occasions... CPEC and Afghanistan, that’s it.

Before you give me whatever hate you want at least read what I have to say.

US got involved with Pakistan when the Soviets landed in Afghanistan, USA’s policy was to halt any Soviet advances beyond the Indus, but in Afghanistan they found a way to give the Soviets their very Vietnam, and it was done through Pakistan.

Fast forward to when the last Soviet soldier exited Afghanistan, the US never had any interests in Pakistan, save for Osama bin laden (OBL). That was the only reason US still kept ties with Pakistan, because of OBL.

When the war on terror occurred, Pakistan again came under US scopes... Do you all see where this is going?

Now with the advent of China rising, US is becoming more and more concerned. US’s objectives are to halt China as much as possible, and preventing CPEC is one of them, it has failed to do that...

Now give me all the hate you want, but Pakistan is not important to US, Pakistan is no Canada (a large neighbour that share the same cultural ties and had enormous amount of resources) or Mexico; You guys don’t share any neighborhood with them, not do you have anything to offer them. The only reason US ever got involved with Pakistan was based on mutual interests, nothing more. And it’s the same with India, with India however, they are projected to grow and become powerful, so now if you were US, why would you care about Pakistan over India?

That is what it all comes down to, if I don’t have any people to people relations with you, then my only concern with you is how you can serve my interests.
 

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US never needed Pakistan, except on two occasions... CPEC and Afghanistan, that’s it.

Before you give me whatever hate you want at least read what I have to say.

US got involved with Pakistan when the Soviets landed in Afghanistan, USA’s policy was to halt any Soviet advances beyond the Indus, but in Afghanistan they found a way to give the Soviets their very Vietnam, and it was done through Pakistan.

Fast forward to when the last Soviet soldier exited Afghanistan, the US never had any interests in Pakistan, save for Osama bin laden (OBL). That was the only reason US still kept ties with Pakistan, because of OBL.

When the war on terror occurred, Pakistan again came under US scopes... Do you all see where this is going?

Now with the advent of China rising, US is becoming more and more concerned. US’s objectives are to halt China as much as possible, and preventing CPEC is one of them, it has failed to do that...

Now give me all the hate you want, but Pakistan is not important to US, Pakistan is no Canada (a large neighbour that share the same cultural ties and had enormous amount of resources) or Mexico; You guys don’t share any neighborhood with them, not do you have anything to offer them. The only reason US ever got involved with Pakistan was based on mutual interests, nothing more. And it’s the same with India, with India however, they are projected to grow and become powerful, so now if you were US, why would you care about Pakistan over India?

That is what it all comes down to, if I don’t have any people to people relations with you, then my only concern with you is how you can serve my interests.





Agree for the most part of what you have just said.

america's major concern is the rise of China. america's interest with india is ONLY for it to act as an obstacle to that. They are not concerned with whether it becomes powerful or not as long as it becomes a nuisance for China.

If anything, Pakistan and america's interests completely diverge now.
 

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It will be a blessing for the US to lose Pakistan which double crosses them and provide no significant benefits. Anyone befriending pakistan should be ready to extend loans to them only to waive them off later.
 

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I don’t quite understand the QUAD and India’s role in this,

in my scenario let’s assume summer of 2021, Indian conflict with China let’s say Tap sao planes near Saichin or the northern border.Pakistan joins the conflict on day 1 afternoon in Kashmir and after 6 weeks of strategic victories in Kashmir and the northern border, India opens the eastern front. Already 4 of the Chinese facing air bases and another 4 air bases are under significant air pressure from China and Pakistan.

here are a few quick questions in terms the role of the QUAD

1) Japan would have to move all its ships past China towards the Indian Ocean. This would be engaged by 70% of the Chinese Navy. And May result in significant long range attacks on Japanese Cities and infrastructure. A large part of Japanese economy is depended on China and that sector will be lost for decades to come. Why would Japan get involved ?

2) Australia has but 8 frigates as its main strength.these ships need cross the Chinese waters to be of any value in the Indian Ocean and Australia’s economy and cities would be exposed to Chinese retaliation. Why would they respond, how is this strategic fo


India will be embroiled by a resurgent Pakistan navy and at least 25 % or at least 1 carrier battle group on its Easter seaboard. There will be significant Chinese forces coming down in anrchal pardesh and a naval fleet to devastate the Eastern Indian seaboard. The question would be for India to deploy its carriers fleet against Pakistan or protect its eastern seaboard from a Chinese naval attack with a carrier group and tons of submarines. Some 600k or 50% of the Indian army will now be distributed on the entire northern western and eastern border border to fight against a paskiatni, Chinese force and protect against a Chinese amphibious landing on the east to divert Indian attention.

America. May move some of their carrrier group in the Arabian Sea towards China but a direct conflict with an aspiring super power and military power has never been in the American Amo the last time these forces met was in Korea where a joint allied force was defeated past the 22 parallel and the Chinese won that battle by securing North Korea. ( to all those Indians who think China did not win)z Chinese supplied the bulk of advisory snd material support in Vietnam as well. America on the other hand has always abandoned its aliens and never openly fought a superpower case and point, ceto cento, Vietnam, iran, Ukraine, yougaslavia/ Bosnia after the Russians got involved the list.....

Malaysia and Indonesia will not get involved in a Chinese response to an Indian Pakistani conflict they may actually support the Chinese in this conflict.

The question remains why is India joining the QUAD and alienating its supplier of 95% of its military hardware Russia ?

why do the Indians think they will get any support from the QUAD?

k
 

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US never needed Pakistan, except on two occasions... CPEC and Afghanistan, that’s it.

Before you give me whatever hate you want at least read what I have to say.

US got involved with Pakistan when the Soviets landed in Afghanistan, USA’s policy was to halt any Soviet advances beyond the Indus, but in Afghanistan they found a way to give the Soviets their very Vietnam, and it was done through Pakistan.

Fast forward to when the last Soviet soldier exited Afghanistan, the US never had any interests in Pakistan, save for Osama bin laden (OBL). That was the only reason US still kept ties with Pakistan, because of OBL.

When the war on terror occurred, Pakistan again came under US scopes... Do you all see where this is going?

Now with the advent of China rising, US is becoming more and more concerned. US’s objectives are to halt China as much as possible, and preventing CPEC is one of them, it has failed to do that...

Now give me all the hate you want, but Pakistan is not important to US, Pakistan is no Canada (a large neighbour that share the same cultural ties and had enormous amount of resources) or Mexico; You guys don’t share any neighborhood with them, not do you have anything to offer them. The only reason US ever got involved with Pakistan was based on mutual interests, nothing more. And it’s the same with India, with India however, they are projected to grow and become powerful, so now if you were US, why would you care about Pakistan over India?

That is what it all comes down to, if I don’t have any people to people relations with you, then my only concern with you is how you can serve my interests.
America will continue to beg to Pakistan for all kinds of favors. When American officials plead and beg to Pakistan to abandon CPEC we know whose toungue they are speaking.

Pakistan won't trust America one tiny bit. We will see a frustrated and at times angry America. A helpless America. Like they have been for the past two decades in Afghanistan.
 

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I don’t quite understand the QUAD and India’s role in this,

in my scenario let’s assume summer of 2021, Indian conflict with China let’s say Tap sao planes near Saichin or the northern border.Pakistan joins the conflict on day 1 afternoon in Kashmir and after 6 weeks of strategic victories in Kashmir and the northern border, India opens the eastern front. Already 4 of the Chinese facing air bases and another 4 air bases are under significant air pressure from China and Pakistan.

here are a few quick questions in terms the role of the QUAD

1) Japan would have to move all its ships past China towards the Indian Ocean. This would be engaged by 70% of the Chinese Navy. And May result in significant long range attacks on Japanese Cities and infrastructure. A large part of Japanese economy is depended on China and that sector will be lost for decades to come. Why would Japan get involved ?

2) Australia has but 8 frigates as its main strength.these ships need cross the Chinese waters to be of any value in the Indian Ocean and Australia’s economy and cities would be exposed to Chinese retaliation. Why would they respond, how is this strategic fo




India will be embroiled by a resurgent Pakistan navy and at least 25 % or at least 1 carrier battle group on its Easter seaboard. There will be significant Chinese forces coming down in anrchal pardesh and a naval fleet to devastate the Eastern Indian seaboard. The question would be for India to deploy its carriers fleet against Pakistan or protect its eastern seaboard from a Chinese naval attack with a carrier group and tons of submarines. Some 600k or 50% of the Indian army will now be distributed on the entire northern western and eastern border border to fight against a paskiatni, Chinese force and protect against a Chinese amphibious landing on the east to divert Indian attention.

America. May move some of their carrrier group in the Arabian Sea towards China but a direct conflict with an aspiring super power and military power has never been in the American Amo the last time these forces met was in Korea where a joint allied force was defeated past the 22 parallel and the Chinese won that battle by securing North Korea. ( to all those Indians who think China did not win)z Chinese supplied the bulk of advisory snd material support in Vietnam as well. America on the other hand has always abandoned its aliens and never openly fought a superpower case and point, ceto cento, Vietnam, iran, Ukraine, yougaslavia/ Bosnia after the Russians got involved the list.....

Malaysia and Indonesia will not get involved in a Chinese response to an Indian Pakistani conflict they may actually support the Chinese in this conflict.

The question remains why is India joining the QUAD and alienating its supplier of 95% of its military hardware Russia ?

why do the Indians think they will get any support from the QUAD?

k



QUAD is more symbolic rather than an organization that will physically confront China or do anything meaningful. Also, White Europeans and the Japanese will not come to the aid of and fight for indians whom they regard as being racially inferior to them in every single way.
 

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Actually, that award goes to india but a MASSIVE margin, NOT Pakistan.........:azn:

Reality is that india has 40% of the ENTIRE earth's most severely malnourished, starving and extremely poor people in the world. The HIGHEST of ANY nation by a huge margin. Over 600 million indians defecate in the open too. india is the BIGGEST failed nation ever to have existed that is also the biggest beggar and recipient of american aid:







the other day abhijit was saying that 45% of over a billion people are malnourished! so......
 

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The test ended a moratorium adopted during the Trump administration because of US sensitivities about the Pakistani missile’s technical capability of reaching Israel.
This clearly expresses that Trump administration was quite comfortable with Pakistan. As I said before Trump actually was good for Pakistan. His wish to pull out of Pakistan and effectively hand over the keys to Kabul was punch to India.

Nonetheless, the timing of Pakistan’s Shaheen-III test “surprised a lot of people” in the US, Mir said.

“Pakistan believes, perhaps correctly, that its nuclear programme is insurance against any punitive measures by the US, so it might remind US interlocutors of nuclear issues and elevate them in the dialogue,” he said.
This effectively amounts to a message if not a so subtle threat to USA brought on by Biden administration showing signs of backing out of the Trump agreed pull out of Afghanistan. We already heard of Trumps secretary of state Blinken making excuses. I guess the era of Pompeo is over. Expect "do more". Expect more disparaging articles on Pakistan in the USA. Expect more political rebuffs to Pakistan.
 

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I don’t quite understand the QUAD and India’s role in this,

in my scenario let’s assume summer of 2021, Indian conflict with China let’s say Tap sao planes near Saichin or the northern border.Pakistan joins the conflict on day 1 afternoon in Kashmir and after 6 weeks of strategic victories in Kashmir and the northern border, India opens the eastern front. Already 4 of the Chinese facing air bases and another 4 air bases are under significant air pressure from China and Pakistan.

here are a few quick questions in terms the role of the QUAD

1) Japan would have to move all its ships past China towards the Indian Ocean. This would be engaged by 70% of the Chinese Navy. And May result in significant long range attacks on Japanese Cities and infrastructure. A large part of Japanese economy is depended on China and that sector will be lost for decades to come. Why would Japan get involved ?

2) Australia has but 8 frigates as its main strength.these ships need cross the Chinese waters to be of any value in the Indian Ocean and Australia’s economy and cities would be exposed to Chinese retaliation. Why would they respond, how is this strategic fo




India will be embroiled by a resurgent Pakistan navy and at least 25 % or at least 1 carrier battle group on its Easter seaboard. There will be significant Chinese forces coming down in anrchal pardesh and a naval fleet to devastate the Eastern Indian seaboard. The question would be for India to deploy its carriers fleet against Pakistan or protect its eastern seaboard from a Chinese naval attack with a carrier group and tons of submarines. Some 600k or 50% of the Indian army will now be distributed on the entire northern western and eastern border border to fight against a paskiatni, Chinese force and protect against a Chinese amphibious landing on the east to divert Indian attention.

America. May move some of their carrrier group in the Arabian Sea towards China but a direct conflict with an aspiring super power and military power has never been in the American Amo the last time these forces met was in Korea where a joint allied force was defeated past the 22 parallel and the Chinese won that battle by securing North Korea. ( to all those Indians who think China did not win)z Chinese supplied the bulk of advisory snd material support in Vietnam as well. America on the other hand has always abandoned its aliens and never openly fought a superpower case and point, ceto cento, Vietnam, iran, Ukraine, yougaslavia/ Bosnia after the Russians got involved the list.....

Malaysia and Indonesia will not get involved in a Chinese response to an Indian Pakistani conflict they may actually support the Chinese in this conflict.

The question remains why is India joining the QUAD and alienating its supplier of 95% of its military hardware Russia ?

why do the Indians think they will get any support from the QUAD?

k
One thing I forgot to mention
50% or 600k of Indian military is deployed in the valley of Kashmir surrounded on 3.75 sides by China and Pakistan. We saw even in kargil the lines of supply in Kashmir depleting. Imagine how bad these troops will have it when Pakistan proper launch attacks against India.

2nd point Indians know this line of supply problem in Kashmir and have built large depots of Ammunition’s 15-20 kms from the LOC. Feb 27th proved Pakistan’s stand off capability and a possible loss of 60% of these in the opening hours of the conflict. There will be a complete Denial of air support on the Chinese Kashmir side and dbo airfield due to the already deployed Chinese s-400 targeting, transport, awacs and tanker aircraft. Not to mention high flying Indian aircraft in the Kashmir valley

k
 

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Being a 6 times less population then India, if I just talk about ratio/person then Pakistan has taken more donation.
Someone talking about ratios? india ain't one to talk, they have the most disproportionate ratio in number of people in poverty in comparison to the total population.

Pakistan has fought a 20 year War on Terror, india has been sitting on its @$$ spoon fed by its Western Masters. Pakistan has endured economic losses due to this two decade long War on Terror, losing hundreds of billions of dollars in GDP, while india has been pumped full of Western investment, in their (West's) bid to prop it (india) up to hedge against China.

So don't be talking about comparisons and ratios. indians seem inherently detached from ground reality.
 

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