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Around A Whopping $3.0 Billion Worth Of Animals Sacrificed On Eid Al-Adha In Pakistan This Year.

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One cannot pick and choose implementation of laws based on cultural preferences - such as causing other muslims and humans inconvenience and saying its not a big deal:
I think laws are made on cultural and religious backgrounds.?

Anyway, road blocking mustn't be encouraged as Namaz becomes makroh. Here in UK, on Sunday, some car parks and roads are converted to open market for entire day. So exception can be made for Jumma too. But mosques shoudl take permission as the open markets have that. So, govt can allow the streets but not the main road.
 

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I think laws are made on cultural and religious backgrounds.?

Anyway, road blocking mustn't be encouraged as Namaz becomes makroh. Here in UK, on Sunday, some car parks and roads are converted to open market for entire day. So exception can be made for Jumma too. But mosques shoudl take permission as the open markets have that. So, govt can allow the streets but not the main road.
Then Laws made on cultural backgrounds or acceptable actions based on cultural backgrounds should not be passed off a religious or cultural.

As far as basic human decency, be it in the form of parking - and facilitating worshippers by the local government must be separated. In the United states there are local police who help clear roads, clear areas for people to park for Friday prayers - but there are always muslims who will block the road or other cars. So, if one comes back to the idea of niyat - then should one not give such muslims parking tickets just because they came to pray?

Yes, cultural aspects do apply - but so does common human decency- something which I consider the foundation of Islam and not rubbed on prayer marks on the forehead or extravagant displays for an act of sacrifice.
 

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So, if one comes back to the idea of niyat - then should one not give such muslims parking tickets just because they came to pray
Sure, they must be charged.
Yes, cultural aspects do apply - but so does common human decency- something which I consider the foundation of Islam and not rubbed on prayer marks on the forehead or extravagant displays for an act of sacrifice.
Yeah but it worked both ways. Devotees should care not to block the road and pedestrian/non-praying people show patience and understanding that for some time in a week, they can bear the inconvenience.
 

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So, if one comes back to the idea of niyat - then should one not give such muslims parking tickets just because they came to pray?
Examples you are giving re niyat end up adversely impacting others. Explain how buying an expensive animal for sacrifice hurts, causes inconvenience or inflicts damage on any other person? How are YOU adversely affected by such an act?
 
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I am not sure how poor the goat herders, camel breeders and other live stock breeders/traders really are. Understand some of them are quite wealthy. Certainly most belonging to these groups are far more affluent than the slum dwellers and the dirt farmers of the Tharparker region.
Majority of livestock coming to karachi is. From thar region
 

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We need some kind of Islamic legislation that allows people to pay money to the poor instead of sacrificing animals.

Imagine $3b dollars put towards poverty every year - every poor child will be fed, educated and provided healthcare for the whole year rather than a parcel of meat that will last a week.
This just shows u having inbuilt bias against Islam. Even an idiot would understand that this 3 billion actually benefits the people. Do u have a few brain cells to comprehend how many people do business through this opportunity? Poor ppl raise animals for this specific occasion, they make good profit. The transpoters transport animals around the country and make profit. The butchers on eid days make massive profits. The leather industry gets massive raw material which inturn provide jobs. Most of the hides are donated to charities which provide for many. In the end if hundreds of million of ppl get free food even for a few days, its a huge help as they would not spend money on food for few days, that money they can spend on other stuff.
 

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Don't underestimate islam

3 billion translates into 15 billion for poor from goat hurders to labourers working in slaughter and leather industry and billions in leather exports.

Just giving away 3 billion to poor will kill whole industry.
Exactly, It’s called multiples effect in macro Economics. (Ideally) every dollar spent yields 4x times or $4 worth of economic activity.
 

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We need some kind of Islamic legislation that allows people to pay money to the poor instead of sacrificing animals.

Imagine $3b dollars put towards poverty every year - every poor child will be fed, educated and provided healthcare for the whole year rather than a parcel of meat that will last a week.
The 3 billion goes into the economy. In fact it is way of transfer of wealth from richer to poorer classes.
 

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Anyone opposing Qurbani because of high expense and they can't afford animals can do qurbani by having a share in qurani- for there are 7 shares for cow/camel and 4 for lamb/goat. Their argument of qurbani being expensive is pointless. Islam is not that restrictive.
As far as charity to poor is concerned- zakat, usher, khairat, sadqa are being done. You are arguing about things Islam has clearified 1400+ years ago.
 

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Lucky animals
Exactly, It’s called multiples effect in macro Economics. (Ideally) every dollar spent yields 4x times or $4 worth of economic activity.
Its not a lottery. This is risky market which requires as much faith.

I am surprised no one has talked about the mafia.
 
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All schools including the Shia consider Qurbani a 'Farz' for all Muslims who can afford it. Only exception is the Maliki school which says that it is a 'Sunna mu’akkad' and much preferable but not compulsory for those who are not performing Hajj. However, only one qurbani for the whole family is mandatory.

I totally agree with you. There must be an 'Ijtihad' on this matter because in a poor country like Pakistan, part of the money spent on qurbani by non Hajis can be better spent on helping the poor & the needy. In any case there should be no harm in restricting the qurbani to one sacrifice per family. Personally speaking, I have been sending the required money to Edhi Foundation for many years.
Religious discussions are not allowed.
Taxing isnt the main issue , Pakistani middle class to low class already pay high tax indirectly main issue is the currency ifself Pakistan needs to move away from cash currency but no gov has done any work on this
Market and all routes in and out are already taxed.

Government has not responded by making sure that only ethical specimens make it to the market.
 

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We need some kind of Islamic legislation that allows people to pay money to the poor instead of sacrificing animals.
Yes. Parliament should sit with Islamic Ideology Council to legislate ethical raising of animals intended for religious slaughter and measures to discourage exploitation of inflated prices banking on religious sentiment.

Despite coming to power based on Islam friendly slogans, PTI has passed legislature in direct contradiction with the faith followed by majority of the citizens.
 

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A lot of kneejerk reactions to my early post. Firstly, I am not inventing new rules for Islam, I am asking the learned authorities to apply ijtehad and issue new guidance / legislation. Islam has been interpreted according to the needs of the time. The suspension of certain rules during Umar RA's time is a well known example.

Secondly, everyone saying it's 3b of business seems to forget that meat is consumed in prodigious quantities in Pakistan and it's one of your biggest exports. The animals will not go wasted, they will be sold regardless.
 

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A lot of kneejerk reactions to my early post. Firstly, I am not inventing new rules for Islam, I am asking the learned authorities to apply ijtehad and issue new guidance / legislation. Islam has been interpreted according to the needs of the time. The suspension of certain rules during Umar RA's time is a well known example.

Secondly, everyone saying it's 3b of business seems to forget that meat is consumed in prodigious quantities in Pakistan and it's one of your biggest exports. The animals will not go wasted, they will be sold regardless.
Cattle raised is not fit as per import rules of most countries of the world.

Unless Pakistan re-greens Balochistan from goats meant for slaughter, the average consumption of meat is expected to go even lower.
 

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