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Around A Whopping $3.0 Billion Worth Of Animals Sacrificed On Eid Al-Adha In Pakistan This Year.

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All schools including the Shia consider Qurbani a 'Farz' for all Muslims who can afford it. Only exception is the Maliki school which says that it is a 'Sunna mu’akkad' and much preferable but not compulsory for those who are not performing Hajj. However, only one qurbani for the whole family is mandatory.

I totally agree with you. There must be an 'Ijtihad' on this matter because in a poor country like Pakistan, part of the money spent on qurbani by non Hajis can be better spent on helping the poor & the needy. In any case there should be no harm in restricting the qurbani to one sacrifice per family. Personally speaking, I have been sending the required money to Edhi Foundation for many years.
Giving money to Edhi instead is fantastic - or rather an excellent sacrifice. It would also be nice if the money somehow went to scholarships, which aim at creating small, high skill industries. An industry making up for our production deficit and reducing imports is what is going to end poverty in Pakistan.
 

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how is he misguiding anyone? show me (and him) where in the Quran it is decreed that you will sacrifice exorbitantly overpriced animals
You can't substitute Qurbani (sacrifice) with Kheraat (charity)! Qurbani is mandatory for those who can afford. The idiot (or libturd) was proposing this substitution ...

If people have issues with prices, then they should buy a newborn animal and raise it for sacrifice - Lamb/Goat for 14-16 months, Cow for 2yrs+ and Camel for 4yrs+ <<--- these are the approximate minimum ages for sacrifice animals.

Prices are high because people are unwilling to buy the animal in advance and care for it. Just like anything in the market, last minute / late purchases will always cost more.
 
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We need some kind of Islamic legislation that allows people to pay money to the poor instead of sacrificing animals.

Imagine $3b dollars put towards poverty every year - every poor child will be fed, educated and provided healthcare for the whole year rather than a parcel of meat that will last a week.
For poverty elevation governments all around the world creates business opportunities and Eid Festival is one such event which create bussiness opportunities for the lower working class both in Urban and Rural areas, three billion is a ruff estimate which does not include bussiness opportunities created in associated industries such feed, transportation, leather industry, butchering and slaughter, Spicies and Herb etc. etc. Over all financial impact of this one event should be around $ 5-6 billion in just 3 day and if include bussiness from Tourism and recreation industry as well which now has become part of local culture then approximately $ +1 billion is added to this additional bussiness opportunities.

Now plz use your logic and tell me you want to scrape bussiness opportunities approximately worth $ 6-7 billion 3 days just becasue you have no understanding of a certain religion ..... Or might be because of your stupidity

This estimated $ 6-7 billion goes into the pocket of poor people in one way or the other and is the REAL POVERTY ELEVATION policy then some superficial theory
 

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We need some kind of Islamic legislation that allows people to pay money to the poor instead of sacrificing animals.

Imagine $3b dollars put towards poverty every year - every poor child will be fed, educated and provided healthcare for the whole year rather than a parcel of meat that will last a week.
A lot of the practice actually leads to food distribution among the poor which helps them out for months at times. However, there is merit to tje argument for people who end up getting very expensive animals in the mentality of turning sacrifice into displays of wealth.
All schools including the Shia consider Qurbani a 'Farz' for all Muslims who can afford it. Only exception is the Maliki school which says that it is a 'Sunna mu’akkad' and much preferable but not compulsory for those who are not performing Hajj. However, only one qurbani for the whole family is mandatory.

I totally agree with you. There must be an 'Ijtihad' on this matter because in a poor country like Pakistan, part of the money spent on qurbani by non Hajis can be better spent on helping the poor & the needy. In any case there should be no harm in restricting the qurbani to one sacrifice per family. Personally speaking, I have been sending the required money to Edhi Foundation for many years.
I believe the focus should be on those who use this commandment to display wealth rather than the intent of the sacrifice.
Instead of importing Australian bulls for millions of rupees, local bovines can do fine with the rest donated to charity.
 

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However, there is merit to tje argument for people who end up getting very expensive animals in the mentality of turning sacrifice into displays of wealth.
Is there a need to legislate on 'neyat'? Best left for Judgement Day, No?
 

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Is there a need to legislate on 'neyat'? Best left for Judgement Day, No?
If “niyat” can be made the excuse to everything - then perhaps all sorts of acts can be wiped away with the tissue paper of niyat. Blocked the only road to a mosque for 30 minutes - niyat was to get to prayers. Stole 1 million rupees - niyat was to give more zakat. Raped a woman - niyat was nikah.

If a Caliph can on reports remove an appointment based upon reports of excessive wealth and corruption - then either the caliph is taking powers of Allah or something else is missing
 

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We need some kind of Islamic legislation that allows people to pay money to the poor instead of sacrificing animals.

Imagine $3b dollars put towards poverty every year - every poor child will be fed, educated and provided healthcare for the whole year rather than a parcel of meat that will last a week.

Don't underestimate islam

3 billion translates into 15 billion for poor from goat hurders to labourers working in slaughter and leather industry and billions in leather exports.

Just giving away 3 billion to poor will kill whole industry.
 

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Don't underestimate islam

3 billion translates into 15 billion for poor from goat hurders to labourers working in slaughter and leather industry and billions in leather exports.

Just giving away 3 billion to poor will kill whole industry.

I am not sure how poor the goat herders, camel breeders and other live stock breeders/traders really are. Understand some of them are quite wealthy. Certainly most belonging to these groups are far more affluent than the slum dwellers and the dirt farmers of the Tharparker region.
 

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Stop miss guiding people.
Let me do the correction.
"Stop miss!! guiding the people"

But how do you know she is a doshezah :P

If “niyat” can be made the excuse to everything - then perhaps all sorts of acts can be wiped away with the tissue paper of niyat. Blocked the only road to a mosque for 30 minutes - niyat was to get to prayers. Stole 1 million rupees - niyat was to give more zakat. Raped a woman - niyat was nikah.
That niyat, the verve said, cannot be investigated , in fact any niyat. It is good to sacrifice a good, healthy expensive item. Like giving fitrana equivalent to 1kg of resin, compared to 1kg of wheat, if one can afford. However, paying thrice or more makes no sense, but we cannot question it.

The rest you mentioned are purely crimes, except the road blocking. By law, the pray is makroh (not invalid) on road but nobody follows. Plus road block for sometime on Friday is not a big issue but should be avoided, especially the main road.
 

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Taxing isnt the main issue , Pakistani middle class to low class already pay high tax indirectly main issue is the currency ifself Pakistan needs to move away from cash currency but no gov has done any work on this
 

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People here are comparing Apples vs oranges scenarios which got nothing to do with what Allah swt had ordained but more to with the anglo madarassa reprogramming taking a toll on the brown subconscious and in most cases results in overtly manifested disdain ------.



Lets for the sake of argument take the example of a super rich guy buying a sports car worth millions of dollars. We don't see anyone suggesting the gov't to place curbs on such careless lavish display of wealth which in essence only gonna benefit a single corprate entity and not society at large ,instead you see the reprogrammed bots intensely convincing each other


"Hey the guy paid tax so he can have it"
"Hey the guy paid tax so no body talk a word"
"Hey the guy paid tax so you better shup"



Paid tax to whom? The govt, yes! Is it a charity? No ! Can we talk the gov't into spending it for charity? Prolly no!



Religious sacrifice and showing off personal wealth are poles apart . The former ultimately promotes and pamper, humility, charity , stability, quality free food ,livestock, businesses and above all submitting to The Lord Almighty's Will



And what does the later projects? Slefishness , hate, delusions, corruption , mugging and all sorts of financial embezzlement to achieve that thing overnight -------where did Niyat go in this instance?




So why it is that when a religious practice directly contributing to the live stock, leather industry, providing fresh organic quality meet , catalysing business worth billions$$$ , occupying a majority of rural folks with their animals ofcourse for business gains so they dont jampack the cities in search of other economic opportunities not only gets targeted but a whole k2 of rationale is built out of thin air to put a stop to it?




All these inherent benefits of this religious events tell us that The Creator is ultimately benevolent and don't want us to waste a single hair of those slain animals . We'd still be doing it if the sacrificial animal had been commanded to be buried under ground with zero profits because Allah swt said so ------- .
 
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Let me do the correction.
"Stop miss!! guiding the people"

But how do you know she is a doshezah :P


That niyat, the verve said, cannot be investigated , in fact any niyat. It is good to sacrifice a good, healthy expensive item. Like giving fitrana equivalent to 1kg of resin, compared to 1kg of wheat, if one can afford. However, paying thrice or more makes no sense, but we cannot question it.

The rest you mentioned are purely crimes, except the road blocking. By law, the pray is makroh (not invalid) on road but nobody follows. Plus road block for sometime on Friday is not a big issue but should be avoided, especially the main road.
If it cannot be investigated or questioned , then it should apply all places and not just on sacrifice. One cannot pick and choose implementation of laws based on cultural preferences - such as causing other muslims and humans inconvenience and saying its not a big deal: this a great example of why muslim countries in general are callous about human life and conditions because to them it is not a big deal to cause problems for others.

Again - I am not debating expensive animals due to market conditions, nor the farz of sacrifice. But rather the idea of spending millions on expensive and display animals versus the spend of that money on better placed activities
 

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We need some kind of Islamic legislation that allows people to pay money to the poor instead of sacrificing animals.

Imagine $3b dollars put towards poverty every year - every poor child will be fed, educated and provided healthcare for the whole year rather than a parcel of meat that will last a week.
We already have such legislation. It is the Shariah. The Qurbani is wajib on all those who can do it. Your duty to the poor is zakat.
 

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If “niyat” can be made the excuse to everything - then perhaps all sorts of acts can be wiped away with the tissue paper of niyat. Blocked the only road to a mosque for 30 minutes - niyat was to get to prayers. Stole 1 million rupees - niyat was to give more zakat. Raped a woman - niyat was nikah.

If a Caliph can on reports remove an appointment based upon reports of excessive wealth and corruption - then either the caliph is taking powers of Allah or something else is missing
My post was specifically about qurbani of expensive animals and you are bringing in irrelevant and far fetched examples. What next then - legislate on people giving expensive gifts or buying expensive assets? Would you be willing to move in a small house, just because majority others can't afford the bigger property you currently live in now? Why not own and self drive a suzuki mehran when you could afford a landcruiser and a driver.

If someone can afford to sacrifice an imported/expensive animal, there should be no prohibition. If they do it to show off, well then their sacrifice may just not be accepted by The Almighty and there could be consequences for them on Judgement Day. Salah to show others that you pray is shirk - shall we legislate on this too?
 

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