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Argentina : First export customer for JF-17?

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  1. Gryphon

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    ARGENTINA is to purchase sophisticated Chinese fighter jets able to attack the Falkland Islands as part of a “strategic partnership” with Beijing.

    Sun, February 15, 2015
    By MARCO GIANNANGELI

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    Argentinian President, Kristina de Kirchner went to China last week to seal the deal

    The move, which further raised tensions in the South Atlantic last night, follows a three-day visit by President Kristina de Kirchner to Beijing last week, in which Argentina secured 15 economic agreements and significant financial investment to bolster its failing economy.

    It comes after a decision by Buenos Aires to abandon talks with Vladimir Putin to secure 12 Sukhoi Su-24 'Fencer" bombers, capable of reaching Port Stanley.

    Last night sources told the Sunday Express that the deal with Russia, revealed by the Sunday Express in September, had stalled after a series of delays and concerns over post-sale maintenance.

    However, that failure will see Argentina now take delivery of 20 of the most advanced fighter jets in the world.

    Mrs Kirchner has constantly caused concern for the Foreign Office with her campaign to generate international political support for the islands to be returned to Argentina.

    Last month the Ministry of Defence revealed that the Rapier air defence system currently based on Mount Pleasant to counter any potential air threat is to be upgraded, with sources adding that the “operational drumbeat” of routine deployments are also being increased.

    China has pledged more than £162billion in investments for Latin America over the next five years, and has indicated that it will write off millions loaned several years ago, allowing nations like Argentina to rebuild their economies.

    Crucially, the financial package includes military equipment to re-generate Argentina’s crippled air force which, over the past 18 months, has attempted to buy aircraft from Israel, Spain and, most recently, Moscow.

    In a "working group" formed by the two countries, Beijing agreed to supply around 20 FC-1/JF-17 "Thunder" fighter jets produced by the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation.

    The single-seat, single-engine, fighter has a top speed of Mach 1.8 at altitude of 55,000 ft and combat range of 840 miles, allowing it to comfortably fly to Port Stanley and back from the Tierra del Fuego air base in southern Argentina.

    It will also carry a range of weapons including air-to-air missiles and laser guided bombs.

    The collaboration will see China’s influence in the region soar as Beijing funds the projects such as the Cepernic Kirchner dams, the Belgrano Cargas railway and the Atucha nuclear plant will also generate more than 20,000 jobs.

    A senior RAF source said: “The procurement of Chinese aircraft is worrying; they are modern, fast and very capable.

    However, we have a robust capability in the Falklands and I imagine that de Kirchner is trying to reinforce her military to strengthen her foreign policy at the negotiating table."

    Last night Justin Bronk, of the defence think-tank RUSI, said: “Argentina had been negotiating for Russian aircraft, but in fact the Fencers they were looking at are very outdated if you are looking to hold the Falklands, and they have a very poor record for aftersales service for customers.

    “China’s JF-17 is based on the old Soviet Union’s Mig 21, the backbone to the Soviet air force, so it has excellent pedigree.

    But it is cheaper than what Russia has to offer, brand new, and has a good reputation for being reliable and having an extremely wide armament fit.

    “It is the non-Western equivalent to the Swedish Gripen, which Argentina originally tried to acquire through Brazil before the deal was stopped by Britain because it contained 30 per cent British parts.

    “It would certainly allow Argentina’s air force to fly over Port Stanley, though it’s no match for RAF Typhoons and its pilots don’t have the asymmetrical training that RAF has.

    In addition, we have the Type-45 destroyer which is the most formidable air defence destroyer in the world.

    “This deal would give China the first proper export market for this new fighter jet, which has been developed with Pakistan, and it seems China is willing to offer Argentina very good finance terms.”

    He added: “ There is definitely an aspect of trying to restore Argentinean martial pride, bearing in mind what an enormous issue the ‘Malvinas’ issue remains there.

    For her to be able to say ‘we can hold the islands’ is vital for her.

    “And while she is likely to be replaced by moderates when she steps down in October, it would be a mistake to think that this issue will go away.”

    EXCLUSIVE: China sells fighter jets to Argentina which are able to attack Falkland Islands | UK | News | Daily Express



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    And they have a Gripen in that picture.:yahoo:
     
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    HMMMMM....I dont think Moscow will agree to sell its RD-93 engines which powers this aircraft. Since they seem to have lost the deal themself. So that will be a dead end if Moscow vetoes any engine transfer.lol
     
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    I dont trust Argentinean, they all west worshiper, the fighter may even end up in the hand of British.
     
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    For Russia its not easy to say not to China now, as things are not good for them and they need China and still they will get some business in this deal.
     
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    Nope, they can still drag their feet on this if Putin decides so. In that case there is nothing much the Chinese can do. Thinking about it, why dont they make their own engine to power the JF-17?
     
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    Why not go for something meatier? The J 10 is much better and can probably be exchanged for soybeans.
     
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    :lol:

    I would worry about end up in British but more of Americans.

    Putin would not be stupid to jeopardize $400billon oil deal plus addition $100 billion HSR for a few RD-93 engine.
     
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    Lol.
    It's Marco from Daily Express again.

    He is the same guy who posted that UK is conducting defence review of Falklands after Su-24 sale to Argentina. Only thing is that the deal never materialised.

    Falkland Islands defence review after military deal between Russia and Argentina | UK | News | Daily Express

    More important is that no deal has been signed as of now and negotiations are still on.
    Just last week Russian Embassy gave a presentation of Su-30 to ArAF which led to Argentine officials in Chile asking for data on Su-30 from Indian Defence attache in Chile Commodore Sanjeev Israr.
     
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    Dear If Putin can agree to have defense pact with Pakistan ignoring India, then this is very little thing. FC-1/JF-17 can carry variety of weapons including CM-400AKG supersonic CM with range of 240 kms and it is full NCW capable fighter jet which will put pressure on Falkland defenses if Sabre rattling happened between UK & Argentina.

    If Argentina goes for J-10Bs with AWACS then it will close the gap in terms of tech with UK and they will be able to challenge Typhoons.

    China have sold fighter jets to Argentina capable of attacking the Falklands | UK | News | Daily Express
     
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    Is it JF-17s or J-10s?
     
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    You avoided my last question. @ChineseTiger1986 maybe you can help me expantiate on this?:)
     
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    What question??
     
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    another thread i wasnt notified being tagged....

    Set aside if this news was true, the argentinian basically have no choice, and about all this is the argie own doing...

    And at 20 jf-17 for the whole airforce, seems to me the number is not enough to do anything, even facing the threat posed by Brazilian....

    The argie probably trying to reequip their airforce and in this process, they would need to settle with any offer that they can afford, and with a meaningful number, hence the Chinese deal is not looking bad at all.

    As for the falklands, i dont think argentinian are aiming at it anytime soon, unless they are in a lot more serious trouble then even the junta regime before, the argie are certainly not gonna try retake falkland anytime soon, not until they have a bit of the money to set aside and have a government that the people favored, both of which is not in the present