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I Congratulate China for being third nation after India and UAE to reach Mars after failure in 2011.
Why didn't u congrat me China for being the first asian country to land a working rover on Mars, a feat which Russia or Soviet union can't do it. And I somehow didn't talk about just reaching orbit but land a rover, why are u avoid talking about it?

Nobody cares about reaching Mars orbit when pass that stage and put a rover on it. :enjoy:

When is India going to land one? Oh, can't even land a rover on moon. I guess maybe 100 years later. :rofl:

And it's funny you think India is first nation to reach Mars orbit. :lol: I guess indian will think reaching Mars orbit is far more superior than landing a rover on Mars. :enjoy:
 

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you're talking to the guy who says Tejas participated in an airshow the JF-17 didn't perform in therefore JF-17 is scared of Tejas. Coconut blessings is the height of the guy's intellectual capabilities. Gotta give him a break with the cooling topic. Thermodynamics is FAR beyond the understanding of a simple street shit.

As for JF-17 block 3's AESA radar, do we even know which one the PAF ended up selecting? There was the Italian AESA choice, the air cooled choice and a liquid cooled one. Indeed the JF-17 has to use a smaller less powerful AESA due to cooling requirements and available power from auxiliary units but the Tejas also uses a tiny low power AESA. The difference is the Tejas uttam is an Indian first attempt at AESA. Not even IAF is using it that's how shit it is.


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BTW if you didn't know, half of the Tejas Mk 1A will use Elta ELM-2052 instead of Uttam. This is the level of confidence they have in Uttam :agree:

 

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BTW if you didn't know, half of the Tejas Mk 1A will use Elta ELM-2052 instead of Uttam. This is the level of confidence they have in Uttam :agree:

UTTAM is a just a bad copy of Russia zhuk ae which never make it to market.

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BTW if you didn't know, half of the Tejas Mk 1A will use Elta ELM-2052 instead of Uttam. This is the level of confidence they have in Uttam :agree:


Without exaggeration comparing Indian radar technology to Chinese is like comparing comparing Indian electronics technology industries to Chinese. Indian one barely exists, has less than 1/100 the investments and funding levels, has fewer research centers and universities to draw from, has no depth or spread of technology level. Meanwhile the Chinese one does everything from exporting to Germany, Japan, USA in battery technologies, computing, telecommunications, network computing, dedicated chip designs, beam forming technologies, GaN is old shit now already and Indians are planning to make GaA into service. It's worlds of levels apart not just one or two steps. At least 30 years of intensive R&D and industrial development with hundreds of billions in market cap style funding and top universities of continuous work.

The Indians think they can say some utter bullshit online and they somehow have all that stuff in reality.

Hence why this Indian says India beat China to Mars. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

The India (beat China) with this <14kg piece of shit orbiter (below) just because they had a Mars orbiter project while China was focusing on developing many launch vehicles, associated technologies, engines etc which India still does not even have on drawing boards in terms of performance level and many moon projects. Sure India got Mars orbit before China but during a time China managed to use to build a space lab for space station development. Enhanced deep space networks, a world leading GNS system with generations of satellites, extremely capable earth observation satellite constellations worth over 70 satellites of technologies from next gen SAR tech to meteorological to remote sensing and AI tracking of military and commercial vehicles, an actual space station and all associated tech, manned spacecraft replacing Shenzhou vehicle tested multiple times now, moon landings, rovers, and Mars landing and rover. And the list goes on and on particularly when discussing detailed componentry and the whole ecosystem of space tech but this Indian wants to talk about boring pointless orbit and who got where first.

Well lets sum up shall we:

Mar orbiter : India in 2014, China's first Mars orbiter reached orbit in 2021 in Orbiter + Lander + Rover mission.

Mars lander : India Z.E.R.O, China 2021.

Mars rover : India Z.E.R.O, China 2021.

Same for moon except China went twice and successfully landed twice and successfully rovered twice. India attempted once, failed once.

India's orbiter (14kg total payload - roughly the size of a microwave oven)

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China's Mars mission (5000kg total payload)

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Without exaggeration comparing Indian radar technology to Chinese is like comparing comparing Indian electronics technology industries to Chinese. Indian one barely exists, has less than 1/100 the investments and funding levels, has fewer research centers and universities to draw from, has no depth or spread of technology level. Meanwhile the Chinese one does everything from exporting to Germany, Japan, USA in battery technologies, computing, telecommunications, network computing, dedicated chip designs, beam forming technologies, GaN is old shit now already and Indians are planning to make GaA into service. It's worlds of levels apart not just one or two steps. At least 30 years of intensive R&D and industrial development with hundreds of billions in market cap style funding and top universities of continuous work.

The Indians think they can say some utter bullshit online and they somehow have all that stuff in reality.

Hence why this Indian says India beat China to Mars. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

The India (beat China) with this <14kg piece of shit orbiter (below) just because they had a Mars orbiter project while China was focusing on developing many launch vehicles, associated technologies, engines etc which India still does not even have on drawing boards in terms of performance level and many moon projects. Sure India got Mars orbit before China but during a time China managed to use to build a space lab for space station development. Enhanced deep space networks, a world leading GNS system with generations of satellites, extremely capable earth observation satellite constellations worth over 70 satellites of technologies from next gen SAR tech to meteorological to remote sensing and AI tracking of military and commercial vehicles, an actual space station and all associated tech, manned spacecraft replacing Shenzhou vehicle tested multiple times now, moon landings, rovers, and Mars landing and rover. And the list goes on and on particularly when discussing detailed componentry and the whole ecosystem of space tech but this Indian wants to talk about boring pointless orbit and who got where first.

Well lets sum up shall we:

Mar orbiter : India in 2014, China's first Mars orbiter reached orbit in 2021 in Orbiter + Lander + Rover mission.

Mars lander : India Z.E.R.O, China 2021.

Mars rover : India Z.E.R.O, China 2021.

Same for moon except China went twice and successfully landed twice and successfully rovered twice. India attempted once, failed once.

India's orbiter (14kg total payload - roughly the size of a microwave oven)

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China's Mars mission (5000kg total payload)

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The indian love to talk shxt to make them feel better. In real life,everyone including their so called Quad allies look at them as a pile of cow dung. :lol:
 

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The thing is Argentina is untrustworthy and close to israel. China rejected providing J10C.
I think if we are selling JF17 B3, it should be with a different weaker AESA radar and not with PL10 and PL15 and instead provide PL12 and PL9.
 

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The thing is Argentina is untrustworthy and close to israel. China rejected providing J10C.
I think if we are selling JF17 B3, it should be with a different weaker AESA radar and not with PL10 and PL15 and instead provide PL12 and PL9.
That is quite true but the problem is Argentina is in feud with UK over falkland. Being close to US and Israel give them no help over Falkland issue as both see UK as more important allies than Argentina.

If Argentina reveal secret of Blk 3 AESA to american, trying to bootlick but end up american help UK to defeat Argentina in Falkland battle.

Are they that stupid enough?
 

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That is quite true but the problem is Argentina is in feud with UK over falkland. Being close to US and Israel give them no help over Falkland issue as both see UK as more important allies than Argentina.

If Argentina reveal secret of Blk 3 AESA to american, trying to bootlick but end up american help UK to defeat Argentina in Falkland battle.

Are they that stupid enough?

I dont think they intend to take back falkland any time soon. They just keep it that way and talk for nationalist sentiments, their elites have accepted it. And its not necessary that they will reveals secrets of AESA or PL15 but their forces may already be deeply infiltrated by British, israeli and US spies and getting that info would not be hard. We all know Argentinian forces are weak and incompetent and probably filled with foreign agents.
 

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I dont think they intend to take back falkland any time soon. They just keep it that way and talk for nationalist sentiments, their elites have accepted it. And its not necessary that they will reveals secrets of AESA or PL15 but their forces may already be deeply infiltrated by British, israeli and US spies and getting that info would not be hard. We all know Argentinian forces are weak and incompetent and probably filled with foreign agents.
If that is the case, they would have give up falkland claim more goodies from western allies but they didn't...

It's more like the elite in Argentina accept US will never considered Argentina as an allies more important than UK. The bootlicking of american will never work. Why not instead work other way round by looking towards China?
 

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That is quite true but the problem is Argentina is in feud with UK over falkland. Being close to US and Israel give them no help over Falkland issue as both see UK as more important allies than Argentina.

If Argentina reveal secret of Blk 3 AESA to american, trying to bootlick but end up american help UK to defeat Argentina in Falkland battle.

Are they that stupid enough?

I think it should just be expected that within days of a JF17 being delivered to Argentina the CIA will have someone looking at it...as is the same by China with anything sent to Taiwan.
 

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If that is the case, they would have give up falkland claim more goodies from western allies but they didn't...

It's more like the elite in Argentina accept US will never considered Argentina as an allies more important than UK. The bootlicking of american will never work. Why not instead work other way round by looking towards China?

Yes but they also have to weigh in the consequences of that. As i said, their institutions would be all infiltrated. The US hollows out a state that can be a potential adversary or problem.
 

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As i said, their institutions would be all infiltrated. The US hollows out a state that can be a potential adversary or problem.
Not necessary. If as you really claim, those buyout will surely push for give up of Falkland in order to rebuild r/s with UK so that a strong alliance with US is possible to counter China. But these Falkland is a massive stumbling block. UK lobby hard whatever they can to weaken Argentina to prevent them from reclaim Falkland. None of the Argentina politics ever mention give up of Falkland claim even at economy peril and danger.

Argentina now seems like doing things more for themselves than for others.

I think it should just be expected that within days of a JF17 being delivered to Argentina the CIA will have someone looking at it...as is the same by China with anything sent to Taiwan.
Provided US support Argentina claim for Falkland at expense of UK or US make the announcement Argentina is more important than UK. Can you?
 

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Please provide the link of Liquid cool version. SO far as I know, KLJ 7 is an air cooled AESA which itself is an indicator of less powerful Radar which consumes lower electricity and doesn't heat too much because of that.
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do your own search.
 

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Not necessary. If as you really claim, those buyout will surely push for give up of Falkland in order to rebuild r/s with UK so that a strong alliance with US is possible to counter China. But these Falkland is a massive stumbling block. UK lobby hard whatever they can to weaken Argentina to prevent them from reclaim Falkland. None of the Argentina politics ever mention give up of Falkland claim even at economy peril and danger.

Argentina now seems like doing things more for themselves than for others.


Provided US support Argentina claim for Falkland at expense of UK or US make the announcement Argentina is more important than UK. Can you?

I never said they given up the claim, they cant because of people and their sentiments. But their elites know they cant take it back, they just want to maintain statusquo, they cant give it up and commit political suicide.
Something similar to Pakistan where our elites have given up on Kashmir but will never accept it legally/openly because of backlash of ppl.
 

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Provided US support Argentina claim for Falkland at expense of UK or US make the announcement Argentina is more important than UK. Can you?

Support is irrelevant. Do you think China's spies in Taiwan only work when the Taiwanese government gives them permission? No, they do their job no matter what the government's stance is.
 

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