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Are Pakistan’s female medical students to be doctors or wives?

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  1. Winchester

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    In Pakistan's prestigious medical schools, female students outshine and outnumber their male counterparts. However, many do not end up as practising doctors - and now there are calls to limit their numbers, the BBC's Amber Shamsi in Islamabad reports.

    Twenty fourth-year medical students are learning how to examine a patient with a throat infection. Today's lesson is as much about patient care as it is the anatomy of the throat.

    The patient is real, a woman, and the instructor invites several of the female students to examine her, since cultural sensitivities dictate that she does not want to be inspected by a man. The instructor has his pick, since there are 17 women and three men in this group of students.

    It is almost as if men are an endangered species in Pakistan's medical colleges.

    'Catching a husband'
    The government body that regulates the medical profession, the Pakistan Medical and Dental Council (PMDC), says more than 70% of medical students are women.

    Competition to get into these medical colleges is tough - at one college I was told that they receive 10,000 applications for a 100 places. In the more prestigious colleges, students must get 90% grades or more in order to be considered.

    I ask one male student why the women were outshining the men. He is in his fifth year, specialising in ear, nose and throat.

    "Boys go out, hang out with their friends," he says. "Girls can't go out as much, so they stay at home and rote-learn."

    In other words, perhaps the success of women students is not so much their own hard work, it is embedded in the culture of keeping girls at home.

    And government figures suggest most of these bright female undergraduate doctors do not actually go on to practise. Only 23% of registered doctors are female.

    Hot ticket
    The vice-chancellor of the prestigious Shaheed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto medical university in Islamabad, Dr Javed Akram, says that girls are more focused on excelling academically than boys.

    At the same time, he accepts that some female students are more keen on catching a husband than on pursuing a career.

    "It's much easier for girls to get married once they are doctors and many girls don't really intend to work as professional doctors," he says.

    "I know of hundreds of hundreds of female students who have qualified as a doctor or a dentist but they have never touched a patient."

    Privately, many doctors - both male and female - tell me that a medical degree is an extremely hot ticket in the marriage market.

    To confirm this claim, I visit the Aisha Marriage Bureau run by Kamran Ahmed and his wife. Business is so good they are opening their second branch in Islamabad.

    Mr Ahmed says his best clients are mothers seeking doctor wives for their sons. "In social gatherings, it's very prestigious to introduce your daughter-in-law or wife as a doctor."

    And he says if a young female doctor is even a little good-looking, then finding a match for her is a breeze. "By the way, if you know of any single doctor girls, please let me know. I have boys who are looking," he adds in a cheeky aside.

    But the "doctor wife" is more than a trophy: her absence from hospitals has serious implications on the healthcare system of a poor country like Pakistan.

    The government spends millions of rupees on subsidies per student - yet there is a serious shortage of doctors, especially in rural areas where women prefer to be examined by female doctors.

    'More women-friendly'
    Dr Shaista Faisal is an official with the PMDC whose research into the subject led the council to try and introduce a limit on the number of women being admitted to medical colleges.

    When news of the "quota" on male-female admissions broke in the local media it quickly drew flak and controversy. But the PMDC insists it is the only solution.

    "It's not a quota. We want 50% of admissions to be for males and 50% for females," Dr Faisal says, a little defensively.

    "It's not discrimination. I don't think we're allowing boys who don't study to get into medical schools. This shortage of doctors is the biggest challenge to Pakistan's health system."

    Human rights lawyer Shahzad Akbar strongly disagrees. "The wrong here is that women are being discriminated against here for being too smart."

    Mr Akbar has filed a petition in court challenging the decision to introduce the "quota". He calls it unconstitutional and says the government should encourage women to stay in the profession instead.

    "The answer is that they have to make the working environment more women-friendly rather than saying, no, you can't be a doctor because you end up leaving the profession."

    Columnist Fasi Zaka also believes that the government has the wrong end of the stick.

    "Yes, doctors are leaving, but the restrictions should be at the point of exit rather than entry." He suggests asking those who fail to practise to reimburse the government the large sums it costs to train them.

    Back at the medical school, two starry-eyed female students tell me they are determined to become doctors. But if they were asked to choose between their careers or their families, which would it be?

    "I'd try to convince them," says 20-year-old Eliya Khawar. "But if they aren't, I'd choose family."

    Her classmate Manza Maqsood concurs. "Family. In our culture, family always comes first."

    Everyone seems to agree on the diagnosis of the problem, but not on the cure. Maybe, it's time to introduce a quota for women with pushy families.

    Are Pakistan’s female medical students to be doctors or wives? - BBC News

    In my view its time to introduce a quota system.....medical degrees from these govt. universities are offered at the price of peanuts as compared to private institutions.

    Given our already dire health situation we can't afford having these many graduates who have completed their degrees at the expense of tax payers to just give up and not serve.

    50pc of female doctors never work after graduation - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
     
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  2. Jonah Arthur

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    Boy=Engineer
    Girl= Doctor
    Simple logic:-)
     
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    The problem is

    Girl=not many going into practical field

    Just completing their degrees for the sake of finding a better proposal
     
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    Then it is not good..If they are doing course is Gov college, it is a waste of Public tax payer money where people are educated and they are not contributing for their education to the country...
     
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    Exactly.
    More than 90 percent girls do.
    I have examples in my family,
    Only two MBBS doctors in my family and they were married to foreigners. Now they are proud British and American Nationals.
    :) America mein to yeh hota hai,England mein to woh hota hai.
    Inko yeh nae maloom k ghareeb awam ke tax per Goveemant inko perhati hai, aur yeh shadian kar k bahir chali jaati hain.
     
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    On topic:
    They should get the girls to sign an agreement to practice for 2 yrs if not they wont get the seat or would have to pay a fine!
     
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    Many families prefer to find well educated girls for their sons. But after marriage want to confine them to home to cook, clean and raise children. I know case where a well educated girl in Pakistan with an MBA, high paying job at multinational bank after the marriage was not allowed to work and not even drive her own car. It is actually the women themselves who are against other younger women. The same Saas-Bahu conflict.
     
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    What's the logic?
     
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    Not for two years at least 10 years.
     
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    Start with 2-3 increase it later....

    2 ya 10 ....Implement tou kero!
     
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    To put it bluntly, it is quite simple: those perceived to be ugly have to work, while the "pretty" ones get married and churn out kids and rotis. Before anyone gets mad at me, please note that it is a sad commentary on societal norms, not my views.
     
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    Hamaray ghar ki bahu bahar kaam nahi karay gi ! They don't allow daughter-in-laws to work. Its usually the women against the women.
     
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    Doctors who study to chase a husband are still living in the jahal era (at least intelligence wise!)

    Usually the saas is uneducated herself! She just wants the praises that she managed to fish an educated one for her stupid son! :unsure:

    Son may look like a cockroach smashed by a chappal but the bahu has to look like a super model, cook like the finest chef of France and be a doctor too! :undecided:
     
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    2,3 se kia hoga.
    Inko bond sign kerna chaiey KRL ki tarah k country se bahri nae ja skte,
    Aur 10 Saal se pehle retirement nae kar skte.
    Otherwise private medical colleges k derwaze khule hain aap k lie.
    ;)
     
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    Good point . That is true that the normal looking well educated girls get married and are allowed to work.