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Discussion in 'Arab Defence Forum' started by Falcon29, Jan 22, 2015.
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To be fair and for all those interested, Algeria didn't defeat the islamists, they still exist and do a lot of harm. (They executed a Frenchmen in October or September of 2014, i forgot which) ISIS also has a wing in Algeria called "Jund al-Khilafah" that is believed to have several hundred fighters.
and Morocco has shown to be a rather decent armed force, they defeated the Algerians in Amgala killing roughly 200 algerians while only taking a few dozen casualties.
Not to mention the Sand War & the fact Morocco doesn't have a prolonged insurgency going on
Unfortunately the Tunisians are suffering due to Algeria's security situation, Algerian Islamists are crossing over to attack Tunisian Military Personnel, i guess the Algerians will take care of them once and for all right?
1- Jordan : Well-led, Combat proven & decent training
2- Egypt: Decent at best, they can pack a punch
3- Saudi Arabia: High tech weaponry can increase their power factor by a lot, for a while
4- Kuwait: has focused a lot on their military since the '91 invasion by Iraq, they don't have a good combat record because of it, but their military has come a long way
5- Morocco: Semi-trained, Decent Leadership, Combat proven with a good record, they managed to take a good portion of the Ifni from Spain before being pushed back. They won in the Sand War & the Western Sahara War
Fences didn't protect the most insecure country with a potent army, this will be jelly beans to them..
@Ceylal barka mesmata ta3ek -_- hadou hmir mayafahmou walou -_-
@The Silent One Morocco is on the .....Morocco is lost and gone Amgala and cried at the ONU ,
Morocco and not to take into account, it is a weak army
jund al khalifa and destroyed. and she can not stand it has not Algeria and not easy to dislodge a guerrilla; even NATO is not successful afghanistant, but we beat Algeria. he dares not face the Algerian army.
the Morocco, such as France said it is a mistress
Sorry to bust your Bubble, but your country man was anything but a innocent casualty, he was like most of the French hostages taken around the world. He was an operative of the French secret service and died in duty.
The reason Algeria managed no effort to find the jund al-khalifat and eliminated them , including locatin the corps of the defunct , is due to stop and decimate an ISIS look alike implant , by the French! All remaining terrorism is what we call the useful one, controled and implanted by Bouteflika's givernment.
Morocco trpped a column of lightly armed soldiers in search of Sahrawi old, womens and children fleeing Moroccan napalm. Some soldiers were killed and 200 were made prisonners, two weeks later that Moroccan battalion was decimated by Algerian forces, not counting the prisonners that were brought back. The attack was so swif and deadly that H2 went over the airwaves and pleade with Algeria to declare war or to live him alone.
After that we let loose the Polisario make a tadjine of the Moroccans...The Polisario still have his oven turned on...they are just waiting for Bouteflika to croak.
You lost that one too, and didn't have an army..the only prisonner you caught was MUBARAK, the former Egyptian President.
3.the remnant Arab souk.
let summerize...the KSA bravor
1-Take over of the Mosque...French CIGN, ( had to convert them into muslims for 24hrs) 400+ dead
then they used Pakistanis who flooded the mosque and put bare electric in the water..
2-Against Saddam..US, Nato , most of the Arabs...and the only bullet they heard, it was kafdji and they ran as fast as their trucks can run...and they practically moved to Egypt
3-Against Saddam 2nd serving, the US and Nato
4- Against the Houthis...Pakistanis, Jordanians, Moroccans, and they had to pay the Houthis to end the fight
5- latest attack on the nothern border..deads and one of them is a high ranking officer
6- there was a second attack on the nothern borders, and the Sauds fled...
Morocco left the ONU (it's now the African Union btw), not to mention it controls virtually all of Western Sahara, Jund Al Khalifia is not destroyed and neither are the dozens of Insurgent Groups roaming around in Souther Algeria.
The vast majority of insurgencies end in defeats (e.g. Ireland; Chechenya; Dagestan; Colombia; Mexico)
It's army was good enough to defeat Algeria in Amgala and it's proxy the Polisario in a pro-longed insurgency
it is the Algerian special force that we spend the Moroccan defense and killed more than 300 with more than 250 Moroccan prisoner
jund al khalifa is the former AQIM, a small group who change their names and their leader (gouri) has was killed and the pard pleased to have group. and for revenge daesh made an attack in the Algerian embassy in Libya (a ambasade who and empty for plusiue rmois)
person recognizes Morocco's sovereignty over Western Sahara and Morocco does not have the means of war and are armed and under equip.
as I said France has declared that Morocco and the Spanish mistress ... Control your land and you talk about the Moroccan army ??
the day you went frees your land against the Spanish, the one could say that Morocco has an army, waiting is not killing one civilian Sahrawi you went windy your army
Lol, a French Diplomat said Morocco was it's mistress, because Morocco is only France's reliable ally (حليف) in North Africa. The Joke the Diplomat made was that like a mistress, France needs Morocco but has to help Morocco with every single one of it's problems.
Actually Algeria never successfully defeated Morocco in a battle/war, the Polisario Front , sure definetely, Dare i say, the Polisario is better than Algeria (No joke they are, the Americans studied how the Polisario fought Morocco for when they invaded Iraq)
Abdelmalek (in english, you never call somebody by their first name unless you know them personally) may be dead, but Jund al-Khalifah isn't. Plus there is MOJWA , various independent Islamist groups and so on.
lol no, Morocco is not an ally, it serves Morocco France because France has interest, and as the king of Morocco want to protect are the throne, he sold the Royaum France has, and whether France has said her because Morocco has obeyed all that France asks, good mistress.
jund al khalifa and destroyed. you are an idiot or you did it on purpose? TERRORISM is the group are few and well hidden, he dares never attacked the army because the army was destroyed, and the small little massacre.
hhhhhh best Polisario that Algeria and the Polisario formed by Algeria, Algeria and never seek to be directly involved in the conflict. but the Palestinian one is Sahrawi supporters.
Moroccan and weak army. I'll ask the question why refuse you recovered the land spain you took ...
Morocco is not even deserve to have rankings are here already it is misplaced in the world, African and Arabic.
Morocco does not have the means to equip army and are not the way to war
You just gave the definition of an Ally , Morocco helps France serve it's interests. Hence Morocco is an Ally of France.
Jund Al khalifa is not destroyed. It's founder is dead, but not the group.
Want an Example? Osama Bin Laden & Al Qaeda. Bin Laden is dead, not Al Qaeda.
if you're referring to Ceuta & Mellila, it's because the Moroccans no longer have an interest in acquiring land through warfare.
And thats also wrong. Morocco just ordered 200 M1 Abrams Tanks from the US with special configuration armor. It's military is trained by the US & France. It holds military exercises with Spain & the UK. It also recently (I think 2009 or 2010) purchased American F16s for it's air force.
Even the US recognized Morocco's power & usefulness as an Ally and announced that Morocco is a Major Non-NATO ally.
Algeria is largely equipped with Russian & Chinese equipment, both of which have a tendency of not working or worse, breaking down in combat (Russians focus on quantity not quality), Algeria has never won a war (it failed to defeat a ragtag group of Islamists :/) while Morocco has defeated the Polisario Front (Morocco controls 70%, while the Polisario have 30% of it, which is just barren desert that has no actual population).
Algeria's security situation is laughable, i wouldn't dare vacation in Algeria because i might end up like Hervé Gordel.
The Algerian Islamists are now trying to bring down Tunisia by using Algeria as a launch pad.
you and a liar !!!!
France used to Morocco, there is no interest except the king are guarding the throne, Algeria and sovereign country was refusing to do what your told American master, refer the Syrian embassador like you have pooch has obeyed their order.
does not compare to al Qaida and a global group that Jundal khalifa and a very small group. you do not know anything Algeria has grown suits you before racontén'importe what, I go every year in Algeria, and security and much better than any african country.
lol, sabta year Melila is located in the interior of your land and this is spain who control, it's like I said, bandar abbas belong to the American. hhhhh
Moroccan and weak army, its been 5 years since you mentioned the M1A1 ... Algeria already has 500 T-90 and it's not finished.
you miserable 24 F-16 that do not measure up to the su-30 Algerian who is superior quality and quantity. and modernsaition of lalgerie not finish Morocco has no money Algeria has 6 submarine on Morocco has 0 submarine.
you been to combine individual, you were the mistress you used for their interest
do not tell lies, Algeria team is quality and not quantity. compared to you yes there is the amount because you do not have the means. The equipment Algerians are among the best, the Su-30 is the Western equipment, mid-28 on Western equipment, the frigate Meko A-200 are German, has bought the helicopter door italie..breff Morocco and much too small to Algeria.
hhhhh. Morocco has not won the cotnre the Polisario, the Morocco agreed to sign the aret combat and he had accepted the referendum, and then he refused. Morocco has lost the army against the Sahrawi are .raconte no lie.
the Algerian army help the Tunisian army and the Islamist Algerian but are not Tunisia and Libya, Morocco and even the latest report shows that the Moroccan fighter daesh are 10 more faith that the Algerians who not exceed the 50 1600 Moroccan.
a country filled with lies and traffics drugs and prostitute.
True they have to get them first, from the junk yard and give them a new life for a $B or two that Morocco doesn't have. Your brand new Sigma are moored as well as the Fremm for lacks of parts and money...And for your F16 don't fly more than 16 hrs/years where the Fennecs tops the 200.
Sure! they need a place to have their GI's zipper a place to breath, as well as France and the GCC all their smicar and their perverted got their plate filled on Moroccan kids and women. And the French diplomat said it with honesty..by uttering : Morocco is like the girlfriend you don't necessary like, but you have to sleep with...
Silent one, you will do more good to Morocco by keeping your trap or your cul shut...Flies are getting thicker!
You're aware that Russian equipment (forced to repeat it once again) is built for quantity over quality.
The Russians have a rather weird mantra that can be summed by like this: "all our tanks, armored vehicles & planes will be destroyed once a war starts so why waste all our money & time on quality? when we could focus on making them cheap enough to pump out thousands when a war starts"
Let me explain in it to you in simpler terms:
If Russia fights a war against Ukraine, Russia's tanks will be destroyed in the fighting, but the Russians don't care because for every tank they lose, they can build 5 more in a day.
Algeria however is not Russia. Algeria can not build Russian tanks. If Algeria fights a war against a country and their tanks are destroyed they need the Russians to build them some cheap tanks, but i doubt Morocco would allow that and would most likely bomb all of Algeria's ports in the early stages of war.
Algeria certainly is a Loyal follower of Russia's mantra, but like the Russians (in chechenya, georgia & now in ukraine) will discover that while this Mantra sounds nice, it's incredibly stupid and dangerous (for the common soldier of course, not for Bouteflika who is a moroccan )
Algerian army can barely help itself now you're telling me they can help tunisia
maybe next the Algerians can train the Europeans in their "godly" combat skills
I mean the Algerians handled In Amenas so well, only 37 hostages dead, quite the accomplishment
Maybe next time they'll only have 36 dead hostages!
As for the Su-30s, I don't know. Based on past experience of Russian built planes, i believe that they will be destroyed within combat quite easily.
GCC announced more aid for Morocco, and i believe the US has offered to configure the M1 Abrams (i'm not sure if it ever went through though, this was way back)
I'd rather we ally with the US & France then Russia & China.
Yes i'm aware of the comments yet the meaning still flies over your head.
Nobody in North Africa wishes to ally with France, why? Various reasons. Algerians are stubborn and think it's neo-colonization. Tunisia was/is too weak to do much. Libya was ruled by Gaddafi and is now ruled by dozens of Warlor- Oops sorry! i meant Presidents!
Morocco intervened in Zaire, Kuwait & now in Iraq (against ISIS) for France & the US
Morocco deployed advisors/combat troops to Yemen for Saudi Arabia.
the Comments were in reference that Morocco doesn't do that stuff for free or out of kindness
but rather political support (Example: Western Sahara) & monetary support.
After Morocco sent troops to Yemen, the Saudis announced that they were giving Morocco some Development Aid.
So while the Algerians wallow in their own filth & pray that they're not killed by any of the countless armed groups roaming around the south.
Answer 1 question:
If Algeria is so tough why is South Algeria dangerous? Why are Algerian Islamists sneaking into Tunisia?
Let me answer one of your possible responses: "But Morocco!!!"
is not dangerous, poor? sure about the same level as Algeria, but Morocco has a budding Economy (Casablanca was chosen as one of the most important Financial centers in Africa, maybe next year they'll choose Algiers, but i wouldn't hold my breath) Morocco is going (claimed by the Moroccan Government, so it's up to you to trust them or not) to be richer than Algeria by 2025, maybe sooner now that Oil prices fell by 50% so you Algerians should prepare for a financial beating.
Then what the reason behind the T 72 , the BT 2000 from China and the recent motorized artillery Morocco bought from Russia...
Did you get out of your behind? or have , as most makhzeni a touch of the coyote syndrome!
I don't know about you, but we can here from everywere , Putin, playing the fiddler on the Ukrainian roof
Well you better eat all kind of beans before you attack the Algerian ports, fart is all you have to throw at them..
Bouteflika, who protected the kingdom of sheharazade for 15 years from the Sahrawi boner, has 6 months at the most to live..The day after the Polisario will knocking a your doors..
They come over Morocco all the time as well as the drones...Morocco acted like they didn't see them.
How are you going to pay them...in Moroccan currency 10 women and 2 enfant child for each 100 bucks they loan you.. If you don't know yet, the Sauds have already open sort of a stock market, where Moroccan women are traded ,sometimes with a test drive, before the exchange..
A horse fly is not that choosy.
Dignity, sovereignty, wearing pants...forgot, yours are below your knees...
true , they raped little girls in Zaire, shine shoes in Kuweit for few dinars,with France so her smicars and degenerate have access to your boys and girls
and we know how that ended, the Saudi preferred to pay the Houthis and do away with the Moroccans. They even refused you the GCC's membership for fear that you might contaminate their society.
Oh those ungrateful Sahrawi! like the Sauds they don't like their society contaminated either..So you have 6 mos respite period, get out while you have time...The Sahrawi are not going to stop in Tan Tan, they will go all the way to Casa and let the Rifan do the expunging with the rest of the Moroccan territory.
Boy those French smicar must have money even though France is Broke, or was viagra start working on khalleedji cheikh?