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Featured Anatomy of the Hatf-VIII Ra’ad Air Launched Cruise Missile

Discussion in 'Pakistan Strategic Forces' started by JamD, Jun 27, 2016.

  1. Nigel Farrage

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    That's not official poster, that's Najam Khan's work. Of PAF Falcons website, blog, FB.
     
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    C-802's rear fins are MUCH smaller than the Ra'ad's.
     
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    I can't post pics or links but check how C-802 is slung under JF-17. The tail wings of the missile are positioned behind the flaps, out of reach,so that they don't hinder.
    Although C-802 is longer than Raad, it is plausible that similar arrangements can be made for Raad to position rear wings in way not to interfere with anything.
     
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    I don't see a negative rating. But I have seen his salesmanship .... He will compare things
     
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    How about these pictures for a alternate frame of reference

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    EDIT: I have corrected one measurement of the C-802, the previous length was a remnant from the diagram that included the length of the booster motor for ground launched version.

    Also I have already shown you what positioning the missile's tail behind the flap does, it comes dangerously close or touches the ventral fin of the JF-17.

    Not being launched from JF-17 does not make it a failed project. It does what it was designed to do. The fault is ours if we assign qualities to it that its designers did not assign it. It is a strategic weapon and will deliver its payload.

    Also the pictures you have posted are too grainy to see anything really.

    I will believe the JF-17 can carry the Ra'ad when I see pictures. Otherwise it is just undue speculation. There is absolutely no good reason for JF-17s Ra'ad carrying capability to be kept secret. The simple answer is often the truth whether we like it or not. It simply does not carry it.

    There are at least two other weapons being developed for the JF-17 that I know of. We will hear about them when they are announced to the public. Rest assured the JF-17 and the Ra'ad are doing what they are designed to do.
     
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    Thanks @Bratva . Those C-802 posts help a lot in understanding the possibilities. Physically is looks like mounting the Hatif in the same stations as the C-802 should be possible ... ... while I appreciate the PAF might not do so.

    However the question is, if the JF-17 replaces the Mirages, what will happen to the Hatif 8?

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    Hi,

    Good man---now you know why the air forces of the world don't build their own fighter aircraft---there is a reason for that---.

    They would take the easy way out---and that has happened with this aircraft---a beautiful little aircraft---designed with bad decisions---poor overall utility for what was needed to what was given---.

    That is why I have stated many a times---paf needs to be brought on the live TV forum---and need to be roasted---.

    For 50 years---they have not taken the heat.
     
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    If the PAF wants to design its own fighter, that's fine, but it needs to be done in a transparent process with informed and competent outside experts to ensure that the right requirements are being defined. If I was Prime Minister, I'd be working to ensure that Pakistan is a proactive independent state, and in turn, I'd want ever dollar to be spent ensuring that we get the most possible out of our defence programs. For me, a strategic role for the JF-17 is a must, and since we can't easily go back and change the fighter (best to focus on next-gen), we need a Ra'ad II.
     
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    Not revealing JF-17 with Raad may have to do with export contracts.
    Exporting a nuclear capable plane may have it's hurdles.
    Just a guess.
     
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    they wont get any roasting they will probably get a standing ovation. you think the public knows what the airforce wants? theres only a handful of people who monitor the airforce outside the government and thats it. and even they dont have a clue whats happening. pakistan is a very patriotic country more than india the airforce wont do anying that weakens them.
    what are your main points of arguements ?
     
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    Dont be laughing stock by claiming imaginary things that never happened and basing your claims on some imaginary pilot. Your word doesnot contain a single worth in this technical thread. If you can technically proof RAAD can be carried then by all means particiapte other wise dont spam thread based on your so called so and so told me

    Actually it is pretty hard for our missile scientists because its been 9 years since the first test flight of RAAD. How much RAAD has been modified in terms of being carried on JF-17 ? 9 years is a very long time mind you
     
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    Nice try spawn of safriz ;). Thank you for you invaluable input and avoiding derailing of this technical thread with your imaginary claims. You will not be missed entirely.
     
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    This post outlines exactly why you have absolutely shallow knowledge of PAF operations and capabilities or air warfare/ aircraft in general. I would ask you to give EXACT TECHNICAL PROOF for any of your claims regarding what the PAF could have done. Including aircraft ranges, operational capacity and ability to operate in day/night conditions.

    You may put your technical response in a new thread as follows.

    1. Technical capability of PAF to provide on demand tactical recce at all hours day/night during 71. This includes specifications of PAF fleet and aircraft along with availability of assets not involved at the time on the Monabao-Tharparker axis. This should show how the PAF had the ability to provide those resources that you have just made the statement for.

    2. Technical capability of PAF to provide tactical air support to the Army at Longewalla. Including aircraft ranges based on PAF operational locations at the time of the offensive and the Army's failure to request activation of FOB to allow adequate cover. Again, please show technical and historically accurate accounts backed with more than just your own claims and opinion on the matter.

    3. Proof that the Navy requested escort for the Atlantique and pattern of interception taken by the IAF Mig-21.

    If you can provide the above, we can consider your post to be more than just the rant of a misinformed(deliberately or mistakenly) older gentleman trying to vent whatever emotions for whatever reasons.

    Also, please avoid taking names to our professional members as they have served our nation and being an 'Elite' member does not give you the privilege of overstepping bounds or ranting whenever you wish.

    Thanks.
     
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    And what is France doing by exporting Rafael to India ?