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    Yes i do.
     
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    Agreed.

    Also, at the risk of being tinder to the fanboy flames: I was pleasantly surprised to find out that there is work on solid fuel ramjets being carried out locally. It sounded in its very early stages (simulations and feasibilities) but is definitely there. Could be a product in 10 years. Could fizzle out too.
     
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    It's not easy, but I imagine miniature air breathing engines (we need both ramjet and subsonic turbofans) should be much more attainable than a fighter-grade powerplant.
     
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    I'm asking because I don't know. Is there a local engine in Pakistan for Ra'ad and similar derivative missiles? @Quwa
     
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    Simple, educated guess. and since US is the pioneer in most technologies, electronics included, their educated guesses are quite close to the real thing. because they understand the capabilities, strengths and short comings of nearly every material. a simple case of "been there, done that". People seem to forget that US is US.
     
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    Hi,
    Looks like PAF listened to you. The new Raad-2 has no a sideways jutting rear wings and seems narrower.
     
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    They took the logical next step. Which is always good news.
     
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    I've actually been meaning to do this. Unfortunately I am unable due to two big reasons:
    1. Crazy workload.
    2. Not enough information and pictures. I had a lot to go by for the original article.

    As soon as more information and pictures become available and I am able to find time I will certainly write an article on this.
     
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    Hi,
    Whenever you want to do that.
    I can suggest following.
    There are clear enough pictures of mirage with the missile.
    So if a size comparison between the missile and mirage can be done, and a size comparison between thunder and mirage can be done, by extrapolation a size comparison between missile and thunder can be done pretty accurate.
     
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    Reviving this 4 year old thread.
    The width of Raad 2 is smaller than Raad-1.
    So the width problem is solved.
    However the weight although unknown may be same or higher than Raad-1.
    What's the maximum weight Thunder's inner pylons can carry?
     
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    We know the inner pylons can take 459 kg Mk83s and 800 kg C-802As, but those are still light compared to a KEPD 350-class ALCM (1,400 kg).

    If there's a weight issue, it should be less of a constraint in the JF-17B and Block-III, which are reportedly capable of carrying 925 kg Mk84s.
     
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    But we have also seen the 900+ kg CM400AKG being carried on inside pylons of Thunder Block II.

    So if there's an improvement in weight carrying capacity of single pylon,on Block III and B variant, then it must be above that of the weight of CM400AKG
     
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    You're right.

    I think it's reasonable to bet that the JF-17B/Block-III can carry 2 Ra'ad II.

    Not a coincidence that the PAF solved the most obvious issue/obstacle preventing the JF-17 from carrying the Ra'ad in the first place (replace horizontal stabilizers with new compact tail-stock).
     
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    Thats what i am speculating. Until now there was no point in developing a new version of Raad as other than Mirages, no other PAF jet could carry them.
    To make a new sleek version must have more reasons than just an increase in range.
    Probably another type of PAF aircraft can also carry Raad now.
    However ths new Raad-2 looks a bit longer than Raad-1, but slimmer.
    In my estimation the length of Raad-2 is 5.4 meters.
    According to @JamD estimation Raad-1 is 4.88 meters long. So thats a 50 Cm increase in length for the new Raad-2.
     
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