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Delighted to bring you all some exciting news.

No.28 squadron 'Phoenix' is gearing up for Anatolian Eagle'19 which is to be held in June at Konya AFB, Turkey.

More news to follow. :)

Theme: 'Air Dominance'
Participants: Turkey (F-16s/F-4s), Jordan (F-16s), Pakistan (JF-17s), Italy (EF-2000/Tornado), 2 unidentified countries.
 
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Great news not going to ask your sources never but Sir confirm one thing its addition come later on request by other Air forces who wanna see its performances from up close?
Delighted to bring you all some exciting news.

No.28 squadron 'Phoenix' is gearing up for Anatolian Eagle'19 which is to be held in June at Konya AFB, Turkey.

More news to follow. :)
 

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Great news not going to ask your sources never but Sir confirm one thing its addition come later on request by other Air forces who wanna see its performances from up close?
I don't think it works that way. JF-17 has become the backbone of our fighter fleet. They need to sharpen their teeth too.
 

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@airomerix I try to stalk all your posts, they are so informative, it is educational for me. I hope we can get some updates on the performance of the JFT in realistic exercises.
 

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Delighted to bring you all some exciting news.

No.28 squadron 'Phoenix' is gearing up for Anatolian Eagle'19 which is to be held in June at Konya AFB, Turkey.

More news to follow. :)

Update: Theme of the exercise is: 'Air Dominance'
I already posted this news many days ago in the other thread you started of Anatolian Phoenix...calm down
 

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@airomerix I try to stalk all your posts, they are so informative, it is educational for me. I hope we can get some updates on the performance of the JFT in realistic exercises.
Jazakallah.

Yes I will try to get some insight on what is happening over there.

Rest assured we will not come out and say we slaughtered typhoons or God knows who like our good neighbours have been doing since Cope India:D
 

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Jazakallah.

Yes I will try to get some insight on what is happening over there.

Rest assured we will not come out and say we slaughtered typhoons or God knows who like our good neighbours have been doing since Cope India:D
Thanks, much appreciated. The main problem I see with the JFT from an air dominance perspective, which we can assume to be focused on BVR first and foremost, is the kinematics and aerodynamics.

The JFT was designed as an all rounder, but what we basically need for air dominance are fast bowlers. Viz - high altitude, high speed BVR platforms that can extend the range and effectiveness of the BVRs it carries. With a decent AESA radar and EW in play. And a good load of BVR AAMs. The JFT simply was not made for this game.
 

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Thanks, much appreciated. The main problem I see with the JFT from an air dominance perspective, which we can assume to be focused on BVR first and foremost, is the kinematics and aerodynamics.

The JFT was designed as an all rounder, but what we basically need for air dominance are fast bowlers. Viz - high altitude, high speed BVR platforms that can extend the range and effectiveness of the BVRs it carries. With a decent AESA radar and EW in play. And a good load of BVR AAMs. The JFT simply was not made for this game.
In my opinion, JF-17 is well suited for A2A role. First and foremost, it is fully BVR capable with decent climb rate. It's almost on par with F-16C practically (comes from ex 5 sqn pilot). What JF-17 lacks is decent 'number' of missiles and long term survivability.

For example; During ACES, the only advantage Saudi F-15C's had over our F-16s was the amount of missiles they carried. They simulated a loadout of 6 x AMRAAMS and 2 x AIM-9's on an average day. Where as we usually fly out with 2 x AMRAAMs and 2 x AIM-9s. So Saudi's used to release 2-4 AMRAAM's on average to defeat a single target. And they bagged ALOT of kills.

Lets see how thunder fares with 2 x SD-10's and 2 x PL-5s.
 

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In my opinion, JF-17 is well suited for A2A role. First and foremost, it is fully BVR capable with decent climb rate. It's almost on par with F-16C practically (comes from ex 5 sqn pilot). What JF-17 lacks is decent 'number' of missiles and long term survivability.

For example; During ACES, the only advantage Saudi F-15C's had over our F-16s was the amount of missiles they carried. They simulated a loadout of 6 x AMRAAMS and 2 x AIM-9's on an average day. Where as we usually fly out with 2 x AMRAAMs and 2 x AIM-9s. So Saudi's used to release 2-4 AMRAAM's on average to defeat a single target. And they bagged ALOT of kills.

Lets see how thunder fares with 2 x SD-10's and 2 x PL-5s.
Problem is, most of these scenarios are played out with a fixed set of range for the missile. While, in reality, your missile's range is a complicated affair. The higher you are and the faster you are flying, the greater the range of the launched missile.

Now, imagine a scenario where an enemy fighter is flying at 50,000 feet and you are at 35,000. The enemy fighter goes for a sprint and reaches mach 2 while you are stuck at Mach 1.6. If we are considering equal BVRs, the enemy fighter will be able to get the first shot(s) and f-pole. You could get into his NEZ (no escape zone) while he simply escapes yours.

Now imagine this in grand scale of many BVRs, and the enemy having medium and heavy fighters, with large loads of BVRs at play.

Suddenly, the JFT doesn't seem that great anymore, and we are reminded of @MastanKhan who kept saying that the JFT should have been 20% more...
 

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Jazakallah.

Yes I will try to get some insight on what is happening over there.

Rest assured we will not come out and say we slaughtered typhoons or God knows who like our good neighbours have been doing since Cope India:D
Thanks, much appreciated. The main problem I see with the JFT from an air dominance perspective, which we can assume to be focused on BVR first and foremost, is the kinematics and aerodynamics.

The JFT was designed as an all rounder, but what we basically need for air dominance are fast bowlers. Viz - high altitude, high speed BVR platforms that can extend the range and effectiveness of the BVRs it carries. With a decent AESA radar and EW in play. And a good load of BVR AAMs. The JFT simply was not made for this game.
Thing is for that we already have 76 F16,
However indo pak scenario is such that 100s of Indian Strike aircraft would be escorted by hundreds of Indian fighters , these would be picked by awacs so you already know where the enemy is , you can get in a good comfortable position and launch bvrs ,
The type of aircraft you mentioned is basically for finding the enemies it self at long range and engaging from long range too ,
The thunder being our back bone would also have to hunt the 100s of low flying strike aircraft with CBU105 lest they mince our armoured regiments , for that high alt is a disadvantage and a aircraft which is designed for high alt warfare is very bad for such combat , you can even try this in simulator games like war thunder where regardless of being a jet or prop WW2 plane , the 3 different aircraft , air superiority ( high alt, find enemy and kill ) , interceptor ( high or medium alt strike packages hunter , usually have a clue where the enemy will come from ) and air interdiction ( Hunt CAS and fighters bombers at low alt , as the enemy won't use SOW for every single target like infantry and mobile artillery positions) these planes perform bad if you use them for a different role,
A all rounder balances that escpailly since we have no dedicated air superiority or interceptor craft ( F7PG by modern standards are outraged )
 

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