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No, I don't know what is halala. If you mean the Instant Triple Talaq then it is not Islamic. You should have read that Christian woman's article. The real talaq is triple but it happens over three months and not the three seconds one via SMS, phone call, email, WhatsApp etc done by misinformed men. During the three months a marriage counselor who is usually the Qazi ( the local judge - there is no priest system in Islam ) tries to intercede if the wife wants, for the first month, the second and the third, with each month if not succeeding being declared a Talaq month and if after three months they don't patch up then the Talaq is brought into effect and the marriage dissolved. This system is the basis for modern Western marriage counselling which you in India also can use.

I repeat and note the underlined :

And I suppose the qazi doing the triple talaq process ( three months ) will use the judicial divorce method.



1. I don't see why a girl of 16 has to be called a child. It is against Nature irrespective of what modern Western laws say. Do people suddenly attain enlightenment when they come upon that magical age of 18 ? Who decided that age of 18 as one of adulthood ? If that age is so magical then everyone over the age of 18 should have contributed to making humanity a very evolved species, with no political and socio-economic tragedies and disharmony. But is that the case ? This voting age of 18 is stupid as is the British-derived political system of multiple parties, five-yearly elections and an unnecessarily complicated political system. I have had 15 or 16-year-old girls looking lasciviously with me. Should they have felt ashamed of themselves ? That Age 18 Magic is not natural. And below describes Hindu marriage practice as in the 1974 film Ankur which is set in Andhra Pradesh but existed everywhere in India :

How will you look at this including the film ? Note that the words "child marriage" above is an effect of modern Indian law but wasn't seen as that during the time the film is set in and it happens even now among Hindus.

2. You should search for the marriage ages of Hindu deities. :)



The burqa has nothing to do with Islam. It is really a pre-Islamic Jewish garment which got adopted into some Muslim societies and in some eras. An Egyptian Muslim woman parliamentarian and academic, Amna Nosseir, has researched on this and has called for a ban on the burqa :




You should also watch this vid from 1966 of a speech by the great Egyptian leader Jamal Abdul Nasser who recounts his meeting with the chief of the Muslim Brotherhood group who wanted Nasser to impose the burqa on Egyptian women. Nasser makes fun of the burqa. Note the reaction of the audience. There are English subtitles.

Below is a picture of the female protagonist ( on the left ) of the Turkish serial Ertugrul which is about the setting up of the Ottoman / Usmania / Usmanli Empire. Does she wear the burqa ?


Her again in the serial :


Among my own relatives none of the women wore the burqa about 15 to 20 years ago. Now most do. This is basically a societal change brought by the misguided and misinformed Tablighi Jamaat. Most of the Muslim women who wear the burqa in the world live in India. An unfortunate situation but nothing to do with real Islam. There is no Quranic verse that declares the imposition of the burqa. It is a cultural problem.



1. Such a system emerged because of the anticipation of the phase of early Muslim wars where there would be many male casualties and therefore many widows who have to be given a socio-economically secure life.

2. But idea-wise a man can have four wives only if he can provide equally for all of them. Do justice for all of them.



You tell me.



Of course she can.



You should have read that document properly. Note the underlined :

So the daughter receives double property / money - one from her ancestral share and other from her marriage ( the mehr and maintenance ). The son does not receive anything from his wife. And other than that the female also has right to self-acquired property and money. Meaning through some business or investment. It is logical. But this is according to historic Islamic law which is an evolved law compared to laws of other religions and even modern Western law but in this thread I present the outline of a new economic system which abolishes the traditional money system while keeping a money system but implements the Communist ideal of abolishing economic classes ( rich, middle, poor ). This new system improves upon Islamic law and Communist ideal.
If I give references from quraan and Hadith will you agree to my above points or your own opinion is enough for you ?
 

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Off-topic : Why is Taliban posting on Twitter - a technology which allows for spreading of haraam things like music ? The Taliban should put out their thoughts ideas on paper.
Yeah right!!!, if we are to go by that logic than books should be haram too as books are used as porno magazines and erotica's RIGHT?

Only vedic logic can reach such a conclusion, and an advise for a vedic like you is to stay away from topics that don't concern you or you know jack shit about.
 

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Just had a read through on Wiki and its disgusting. They did the same as Arabs, behead the men, make the women sex slaves.

Do you know how intelligent and conscious south asians are? Makes me sick thinking about all the innocent women and children being raped.
It was also the practice of Sahabah to enslave non-Muslim women and use them as concubines in case of war or rebellion by non-Muslim communities such as Banu Qurayza.
 

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Looks ripe for picking
One would expect the target of plunder to be worth plundering. Why would one leave Ghazni if there was enough available there?
How's TTP by the way? Boys still asking for Sharia in entire Pakistan? If ever a Taliban invasion happens you will be first in line. Hopefully the mard e momins of your army don't fold like ANA seeing brothers in arms.

Doesn't change the present. Gujarat is a vibrant industrial powerhouse and Ghazni is a godforsaken hellhole that'll remain so in the foreseeable future.
Our army leadership wasn’t trained in Indian military academies.

Now Pakistanis watch how the Bhaktora runs to even older references .. cue 71 or Kargil.
 

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If I give references from quraan and Hadith will you agree to my above points or your own opinion is enough for you ?
So you haven't accepted the detail I gave you ? All that I posted is referenced from the Quran. For example the inheritance law I presented I have read another description of it via Quranic interpretation by a probably South Asian Muslim lawyer who I think lives in Canada. About the hadees / hadith works I don't give them much credence except when they make sense through logic, rationality and sensibility. For example the stories of the adoration of cats by the early Muslims including by The Last Prophet. The below section is from a 2016 thread of mine whose OP is a a long article by Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha chronicling Socialist and Communist activism by Muslims around the world since the early 1900s :
Building upon the initial thoughts of Sindhi and Sihwarwl were perhaps South Asia’s two most ardent and articulate supporters and theoreticians of Islamic Socilaism: Ghulam Ahmed Parvez and Dr. Khalifa Abdul Hakim.

Parvez was a prominent ‘Quranist’, or an Islamic scholar who insisted that for the Muslims to make progress in the modern world, Islamic thought and laws should be entirely based on the modern interpretations of the Qu’ran and on the complete rejection of the hadith (sayings of the Prophet and his companions based on hearsay and compiled over a 100 years after the Prophet’s demise).

After studying traditional Muslim texts, as well as Sufism, Parvez claimed that almost all hadiths were fabrications by those who wanted Islam to seem like an intolerant faith and by ancient Muslim kings who used these hadiths to give divine legitimacy to their tyrannical rules.

Parvez also insisted that Muslims should spend more time studying the modern sciences instead of wasting their energies on fighting out ancient sectarian conflicts or ignoring the true egalitarian and enlightening spirit of the Qu’ran by indulging in multiple rituals handed down to them by ancient ulema, clerics and compilers of the hadith.
This scholar from more than seven decades ago spoke the same as I do.

Yeah right!!!, if we are to go by that logic than books should be haram too as books are used as porno magazines and erotica's RIGHT?

Only vedic logic can reach such a conclusion, and an advise for a vedic like you is to stay away from topics that don't concern you or you know jack shit about.
Vedic logic ? What has that got to do with a Communist Muslim like me ?

But yes, the Taliban who like doing all-day prayers in the fashion of Hindu Brahmin priests should discard modern audio technology because such a thing is used also in disseminating music which is haraaaam ! But why are you defending the Taliban ?
 
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But look at the elegance and clean lines below :
@jamahir, I seriously didn't expect you of all people to get into a juvenile argument about 'mine is better than yours' in subjective matters like this. There are enough beautiful buildings built by Hindus all over India. We don't expect Pakistanis to have seen them all, but you should know better. Muslims built great buildings too, so did Christians, Jains, Buddhists and Sikhs. We are privileged to have all of them in our country to visit.
 

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@jamahir, I seriously didn't expect you of all people to get into a juvenile argument about 'mine is better than yours' in subjective matters like this. There are enough beautiful buildings built by Hindus all over India. We don't expect Pakistanis to have seen them all, but you should know better. Muslims built great buildings too, so did Christians, Jains, Buddhists and Sikhs. We are privileged to have all of them in our country to visit.
You may know that I am not a praying person but this statement of mine about that mosque in Iran was just my academic observation. :)
 

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You may know that I am not a praying person but this statement of mine about that mosque in Iran was just my academic observation. :)
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I am sure you had your best intentions at heart. Since you posted that image as a response to the other person's temple image, it looked like a retort
 

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I am sure you had your best intentions at heart. Since you posted that image as a response to the other person's temple image, it looked like a retort
Well, I didn't want to make it a Hindu-Muslim thing but I do have a soft spot for Muslim architecture ( for not only mosques ) which I believe has the same elegance as Roman and pre-Islamic West Asian and African architecture. For example this link is of pictures of the beautiful Alhambra complex in Granada ( Spain ) when that region was under Muslim influence / rule 1300 years ago.
 

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Well, I didn't want to make it a Hindu-Muslim thing but I do have a soft spot for Muslim architecture ( for not only mosques ) which I believe has the same elegance as Roman and pre-Islamic West Asian and African architecture. For example this link is of pictures of the beautiful Alhambra complex in Granada ( Spain ) when that region was under Muslim influence / rule 1300 years ago.
Totally cool. People are welcome to have their preferences.

Religion may have an influence but it is not the sole determinant. It is not as if suddenly a style of architecture sprung up from nowhere just because a new religion was born. Moreover, blending of styles brings about the best.

The great mosques in Turkey are a continuation of the Byzantine style, of which the Hagia Sophia (church -> mosque -> museum -> mosque) is the most imposing example. It was only when I was inside it, I realised how truly massive and impressive the structure is. The Alhambra is also a blend, as are the Mughal buildings in India which combine Rajasthani influences.

The early Aryans were not known for building, just like the Arabs. They were pastoral and nomadic people. Their architectural endeavours started much later in their existential history. Hindus have excelled at sculpting and in this they have no parallel. The carvings in temples in southern India are just mind bogglingly intricate. The Jain temples take it to another level.

My personal favorite style is the Asian one (Chinese / Korean / Japanese). I find it very calming and rejuvenating. If I could ever build a house of my own, I would love to build it in that style.
 

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Totally cool. People are welcome to have their preferences.

Religion may have an influence but it is not the sole determinant. It is not as if suddenly a style of architecture sprung up from nowhere just because a new religion was born. Moreover, blending of styles brings about the best.

The great mosques in Turkey are a continuation of the Byzantine style, of which the Hagia Sophia (church -> mosque -> museum -> mosque) is the most imposing example. It was only when I was inside it, I realised how truly massive and impressive the structure is. The Alhambra is also a blend, as are the Mughal buildings in India which combine Rajasthani influences.

The early Aryans were not known for building, just like the Arabs. They were pastoral and nomadic people. Their architectural endeavours started much later in their existential history. Hindus have excelled at sculpting and in this they have no parallel. The carvings in temples in southern India are just mind bogglingly intricate. The Jain temples take it to another level.
:tup:

My personal favorite style is the Asian one (Chinese / Korean / Japanese). I find it very calming and rejuvenating. If I could ever build a house of my own, I would love to build it in that style.
Well, I somehow find the East Asian styles jarring to the eye though I like the styling of the Japanese gardens :


 

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