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So let's see:

  1. hit the economy, check > Has the economy recovered?
  2. destabilise the country with the most vile and vicious militant terrorism, check > Has militant terrorism been defeated?
  3. install corrupt people on the top, check > Have corrupt people been removed and/or punished in any effective manner?
  4. stir ethno fascism in areas highlighted in the map, check > Have the ethnic issues been resolved, specially in Karachi and Baluchistan?
Let's arm the door slides and cross-check before take-off.
  1. economy lost over 100 billion. that recovery is not going to happen overnight.
  2. the residual after affect's and the attempt to raise a new wave like of the last one is still being toyed with! the fact that just in the few days various terrorism activities through the tri alliance. The army has once again deployed on the border for a reason. There is NO Fing way the yanks are going to leave peacefully. did you see the wad of Pakistani currency recovered from the NDS office in spin boldak? NDS is a bastard child of CIA+RAW!
  3. you cant be this silly surely. the condoleezza rice led or engineered return of the two party leaders was that installation of corruption. the removal of these roaches...the inherited ppp to bill who is where right now? trying to seek an audience with papap joe for another bail out of some sort. n-league will follow in that footsteps too.
  4. ptm; whos leadership frequently visits afghani land and his main master in the US. or rather moshin dawar. the support in western press for these scoundrels. ppp has started ethno fascist movement in sindh and I am sure bill will offer yanks the use of this ethno fascist movement to destabiliser Pakistan. The Baloch remnants will most likely shift to india and some say they have, but one has to understand that yanks and indians were hands in glove here. or as I call it the terrorist umbrella or quarterbacking terrorism for the yankee audience.
 

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USA came with some motives. Which Pakistan didn't understand fully. Pakistan responded according our own understanding. We concentrated on USA too much, which was not the main force which wad attacking Pakistan.
The cause of war was, however, not understood by any country. The whole purpose of this war to open the areas where modern means couldn't reach earlier. USA left a lot of stuff behind. USA even accepted and negotiated with talibs.

This war was a part of global efforts which wanted to uproot those people which could be cause of revolution in Islamic world. Just look at the list of ulamas murdered in Pakistan and globally during this war on terror, and by who? Don't know. But very targeted.
Islam as a way of life was and is a target. Islam as a reliogion was never a target, will never be a target. But when you try to see things from national prism, you totally miss the main draft of this war story.
not really sure what you are trying to say. be a little concise please.
 

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Just a small correction, I'm family friends with Gill. He has a friend who works at the Pentagon and confirmed they did ask for a base.
So a friend, who works at the Pentagon with nearly 25,000 employees, of a family friend, who is also a client, confirmed it? That is enough to convince anybody, surely.
  1. economy lost over 100 billion. that recovery is not going to happen overnight.
  2. the residual after affect's and the attempt to raise a new wave like of the last one is still being toyed with! the fact that just in the few days various terrorism activities through the tri alliance. The army has once again deployed on the border for a reason. There is NO Fing way the yanks are going to leave peacefully. did you see the wad of Pakistani currency recovered from the NDS office in spin boldak? NDS is a bastard child of CIA+RAW!
  3. you cant be this silly surely. the condoleezza rice led or engineered return of the two party leaders was that installation of corruption. the removal of these roaches...the inherited ppp to bill who is where right now? trying to seek an audience with papap joe for another bail out of some sort. n-league will follow in that footsteps too.
  4. ptm; whos leadership frequently visits afghani land and his main master in the US. or rather moshin dawar. the support in western press for these scoundrels. ppp has started ethno fascist movement in sindh and I am sure bill will offer yanks the use of this ethno fascist movement to destabiliser Pakistan. The Baloch remnants will most likely shift to india and some say they have, but one has to understand that yanks and indians were hands in glove here. or as I call it the terrorist umbrella or quarterbacking terrorism for the yankee audience.
Except #1, all of your claims are baseless, except in your own mind.
 

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So a friend, who works at the Pentagon with nearly 25,000 employees, of a family friend, who is also a client, confirmed it? That is enough to convince anybody, surely.
And what is your source to confirm or deny such reports a CNN article that interviews a US official and you'll take that as the Quran on its face value?

Many on this forum with relations even with Pak Military have confirmed the request was made.
 

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I wish we don't win any proxy war like this where not a single American death and cost more then 70,000 deaths of our countrymen ..strange logic of people here ,? What is winning here ? Winning on death of people ? It's better to be defeated then
 

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And what is your source to confirm or deny such reports a CNN article?
Many on this forum with relations even with Pak Military have confirmed the request was made.
Those making the claim that USA asked for bases need to support their claim, and not just with purported hearsay from the friends of a client of a friend with relations with military who are also clients of a family friend. Please do note that not a peep out of the establishment after the matter of such false claims was raised.
 

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Those making the claim that USA asked for bases need to support their claim, and not just with purported hearsay from the friends of a client of a friend with relations with military who are also clients of a family friend. Please do note that not a peep out of the establishment after the matter of such false claims was raised.
So the story died down after the answer to the base offering was made and your going to call it a false claim -- you have a stupid logic right their -- and Gill is just one of several dozen contacts that have confirmed the American request, those who know what went inside would know than your "not a peep" logic, lol.
 

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Except #1, all of your claims are baseless, except in your own mind.
I expect that from you because in your reality its all glitter and fairy dust.
So the story died down after the answer to the base offering was made and your going to call it a false claim -- you have a stupid logic right their -- and Gill is just one of several dozen contacts that have confirmed the American request, those who know what went in the side would know than your "not a peep" logic, lol.
oh lala don't get into a heated debate. no matter what you say he will tow a narrative and say that his is is the highway and you are on a country road.
 

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I expect that from you because in your reality its all glitter and fairy dust.

oh lala don't get into a heated debate. no matter what you say he will tow a narrative and say that his is is the highway and you are on a country road.
Some people think to highly of themselves "know it all", they think their brains work on another frequency than the general population to process information and give out opinions and trash others it's a Pakistani trait but in the end they end up with nothing, and that's 99% of Pakistani's.

I wouldn't get into a heated argument with him no worries, I've made it here in life due to my network and contacts. I can give you names of actively serving Pak Officers who've funneled money into the states and buying hotels and various other properties, who have slipped under the radar for over a decade. If you go by his logic of substantiate or not a peep you don't get anywhere.
 
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Islam is the fastest growing religion in the the world, and no one has any problems with either Islam as a religion, or Islam as a way of life for its followers.

It is only when one group takes it upon themselves to impose their own version of the religion on everybody around them by force when the issues and conflicts arise.

If the people of Afghanistan, and/or the people of Pakistan want to impose their own sets of religious laws within their own borders by social consensus, nobody across the globe would have any problem with it.
Islam becomes a danger for a global interest-based economy when it is embraced as a way of life by a larger group of people. And Islam becomes a danger when Khilafat declares war against any country. To the best of my knowledge, there is not a single Islamic country in this world.

That's the issue.
@Path-Finder The war was and is at the roots of the Islamic system. Not Pakistan.
 

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Islam becomes a danger for a global interest-based economy when it is embraced as a way of life by a larger group of people. And Islam becomes a danger when Khilafat declares war against any country. To the best of my knowledge, there is not a single Islamic country in this world.

That's the issue.
@Path-Finder The war was and is at the roots of the Islamic system. Not Pakistan.
one more thing you can add is that the argument used is that Islam is being forced upon people in our present time. a narrative used in the west often.

But the west is enforcing their LGBTQ+ agenda in the world via NGO's. See Pakistan where they are doing aurat march? all sponsored by western NGO's.
 

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Foolish writer

why didn’t this writer highlight that most wanted person escaped under the watchful eyes of CIA, uS army etc
 

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To the best of my knowledge, there is not a single Islamic country in this world.

That's the issue.
If the hundreds of millions upon hundreds of millions of Muslims cannot even create ONE truly Islamic country, what does that say to the rest of the world? Besides that, whose issue is it likely to be?
I expect that from you because in your reality its all glitter and fairy dust.
Better glitter than conspiracy theories, right?
 

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If the hundreds of millions upon hundreds of millions of Muslims cannot even create ONE truly Islamic country, what does that say to the rest of the world? Besides that, whose issue is it likely to be?
It's our issue. And I will definitely not listen to what the world has to say about it.
Do we want a complete Islamic system? Actually, we want, but we want it the way we received the Western system, like, someone else does it and brings it on us.
That someone is the target of this war.
 

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