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America Could Be in Afghanistan for Another 16 Years

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    pakistani342 SENIOR MEMBER

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    Summarizes the US options and challenges

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    Moreover, the Russians are hoping to bog down the United States in Afghanistan while they devise their own regional solution to the problem that excludes Washington, Graham said. “They don’t believe the United States has the staying power, that eventually we will tire of this,” Graham said. “It’s not in our neighborhood, it is in their neighborhood. They have nowhere else to go.”

    That ultimately is the question. Does the United States have the will to stay the course to remain in a war that could last for generations? Only time will tell.
     
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    americans need to be in afghanistan . not for the sake of afghanistan but for encirclement of china. they have bases in afghanistan, alliance with india, strong presence in SK . talks are underway for the deployment of nukes in SK. NK is just an excuse. real aims are china and russia followed by NK and iran.
     
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    Remind me ... which sea-port connects Afghanistan from which the US can re-supply Afghanistan and does not go through potentially hostile territory?
     
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    does pak has the guts to say NO to USA? be realistic and answer by learning from the history of the relations of the two countries. all pakistani leaders can be bought and pressurized.
     
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    Hey I would tend to agree with you but then the following time up:

    1. How was the US not able to buy Osama-bin-Laden -- He'd been living in Pakistani cities for years. And we were not able to buy him from the Kiyani, Musharraf but even the hawaldaar, lance-naik who probably interfaced with him? Add Mullah Omar, Haze Said, Daud Ibrahim, etc. to the list.

    2. How was the US not able to buy the Pakistani leaders from not going nuclear? Or say not stopping or capping the nuclear program?

    So further on this point: I've actually argued that, its cheaper for the US to buy Pakistani leaders then say waste $10+ billion in Afghanistan per year -- except friends and colleagues raise the above (and some other) counter examples.

    The reason maybe that there is a diminishing return on the value of money -- at least that's the closest reason that seems to explain it. Pakistani leaders can certainly be bought but the price goes up in huge steps and the value of what they are willing to sell seems to go down rather quickly.

    By corollary could it be as simple as: the asking price is much higher than the offer price.
     
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    to some extent you are right but you should also keep in mind how US humiliated pak by attacking the abbotabad and salala . what was the response of pakistan? mere slogans and condemnation. how raymond davis killed pakistanis and then escaped to USA? going nuclear was very important for pakistan to keep india in her limits. our leaders changed the syllabus of the test books and informed uncle sam about the change. AND DONT FORGET DRONE ATTACKS. they conducted one last week. what was our response? can US does so with Iran or NK? i am sure they can't.
     
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    These points actually have nothing to do with your earlier assertion or my response. Two actors have limits on what they can do even when one is disproportionally more powerful than the other.

    The question you posed earlier -- was in my limited understanding the more interesting one -- why can't the US officials simply buy off the corrupt Pakistani leaders. One American official famously quipped that Pakistanis would sell their own mothers for $2 -- the events of the past decade seem to indicate that he was slightly mistaken.
     
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