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  1. denel

    denel PROFESSIONAL

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    I have a self sustaining job, thank you very much; if interested in farming - please come and help instead of trolling. If MSF is an NGO in your eyes, then I am very proud to have served with them in various capacities in time off from my service with SADF/SANDF in Darfur and Yemen. What I saw was beyond comprehension. Why dont you come and help; it will make a man out of you and show what devil walks amongst humans.

    Americans are guilty and everyone knows it. Chinese are guilty as well, Indians are guilty. Pak was guilty just as KSA is guilty. My own country was guilty.

    Did you even watch the documentary? Do you have people who have been to China you know that are bringing news out? I do. A few zealots - really - how about women, putting children into kindergardens, shutting down and razing down mosques? Last thing I recall similar was what Nazis did to jews but one step further.

    It truly shameful @Armchair that nation of Iqbal has people who are clouded by their god like worship of China they fail to realise what hate they have for muslims.
     
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    Us Pakistanis have been infatuated by many a people before usually if wears off very quickly upon seeing their real faces.

    It will take time. But it may be too late by then.

    Yes America is guilty silent on India, Israel, Burma etc but that does not justify China.
     
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    Okay. So where is the evidence that the Chinese are killing Muslims en-masse like the americans and isis have done?
     
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    why should we compare our army with some other army, if the object of discussion isn't competency?....although I do agree the other armies mentioned are way more brutal in their ways. we all remember what happened to the German women immediately after soviets took the remaining territory.
    and we know of the PLA very well what it did to its general ppl, esp which tried to question the system. falung gong wasn't trying to dissent , still they got frucked.
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    Exactly.
    I keep telling ppl that one collateral damage in a family of an innocent, there is a potential for one or multiple extremists coming from that family in future. why would a person not try to avenge his dead father, brother etc etc.
    nobody likes an abusive parent. nobody being Kashmir and parent being india.
     
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    Yes, it truly is shameful. We have to build ourselves up to a people who live their lives on values, rather than on power politics. I believe someday we will re-emerge as a nation that does. As Iqbal believed.
     
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    How much usually paid per month for demonizing China? Can somebody give me a referal if paid well?

    US master is the enemy for most countries, isn't it? How many Muslims killed by your employer? 5 million? 10 millions? can somebody give a number?
     
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    I dont respond to chinese PLA trolls. Another add to ignore list of trolls

    Absolutely, the latest coming out of Xinjiang is zero tolerance to use of Arabic script including halal. No prayers to call, no reading of the koran; no ramadhan is allowed; kids will be most likely forced to eat pork as they have been seperated from their parents, if you are suspected of reading the koran, that means imprisonment until you break and forced brainwashing to the communist robots they are trying to create. In essence they want to break all the 5 pillars of faith to their own version.

    Think it this way, by forcing Arabic as a alien language sy; then having a koran which mandates it being read in arabic is now a criminal activity.

    It shows how insecure the Communist party is - they want to break the muslims completely to be seperate from normal islam and they want to control the narrative to their liking.

    https://ca.yahoo.com/news/sign-times-chinas-capital-orders-055556733.html
     
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    This 切糕 (Qiegao) conspiracy is at the core of all current developments in Xinjiang. Note that it used to be called 新疆骗子 in the past.

    By searching the words "新疆切糕骗子"(Xinjiang Qiegao scammers) with google or youtube, once again, we see that the West's disinformation machine is enforcing a totalitarian blackout on this topics, in its ongoing proxy-war waged on China.

    Meanwhile, searching in mandarin gives therefore a more better idea, such as baidu search:

    Typical result:

    •新疆切糕是如何骗人的 How does Xinjiang Qiegao deceive people?
    https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/423891786692329932.html

    •为什么新疆人骗人得不到公正的审判???他们卖切糕就是不对。 Why do Xinjiang criminals that deceive people can escape a fair trial? ? ? This scam is not right.
    https://zhidao.baidu.com/question/506906932.html?qbl=relate_question_2


    Soft video -without violent gory ending-
    女子买切糕,发现被骗后要走,被卖方拦下无奈服从 The woman bought the Qiegao and found that she was going to be deceived but was stopped by the seller.
    https://v.qq.com/x/page/v0367ht31hs.html
    And indeed, for more than two decades, this has been allowed. Most often, the cheated customer ended up beaten by gangs of these professional scammers.

    But when security personel at the entrance of long distance bus station for instance, seem to enjoy the beating instead of intervening, then one has the proof that it was from day one a well prepared and executed conspiracy.

    Procedure of the conspiracy

    To conduct nation wide, even in smaller towns, this violent scam, in order to antagonize the ethnic Uyghurs from all the other ethnic groups of China.

    Conducted by small group of ethnic Uyghur male, up to ten.

    Immunity from prosecution is assured by the authority.

    Objective of the conspiracy

    After one generation, it is expected that all Chinese of age 20 and above will have grown a genuine hostile feeling for ALL Uyghurs, and beyond, for all Muslems.

    Without any sympathy left from the rest of the some 50 Chinese ethic groups, the isolated Xinjiang ethnic Uyghurs might be rounded up easily in reeducation camps!


    Conclusion

    This only echoes the conspiracy in Europe. For two decades, Muslems were singled-out for praying in the streets, or wearing hijab, or refusing to shake hands, or refusing to go to the swimming pools with there fellow schoolmates, or eating halal -refusing pork- at the canteen, or building minarets.

    But, also, once marginalized, the delinquent teenagers would only be punished with a lenient sentence.

    Soft video -without violent gory ending-
    Ultraviolent aggression of an Asian Indochinese (L’agression ultraviolente d’une Asiatique résolue grâce à la vidéosurveillance)
    http://www.leparisien.fr/val-de-mar...a-la-videosurveillance-18-07-2019-8119500.php
    Today we know that all these "bad seeds", have in fact craftily been engineered en masse to form the backbone of the West's proxy armies as "ISIS" in their proxy-war waged on Libya, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Yaman and Iran!

    And as these were supposed to die in the Middle East while carrying out the grand strategy of their European puppet masters, therefore the absolute interdiction for them to return to live in the West!


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    China is I think making a strategic mistake with their policies. They have become too cocky too quickly. This may be the turning point that will lead to disaster for them.
     
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    Written by : Sabena Siqddiqui ( from Pakistan )
    August 14, 2019

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    Source : https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/indepth/2019/8/14/muslim-states-and-the-uighur-conundrum

    In a joint statement, 22 mostly Western countries recently condemned China's mass detention of members from the Uighur ethnic Muslim minority based in its Xinjiang region.

    Addressed to the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, Michelle Bachelet, the letter from mostly Western nations is urging Beijing to end repression in Xinjiang and allow UN experts to visit the region.

    Significantly, this is the first collective international move against China's domestic policy.

    Michelle Bachelet requested the Chinese authorities for permission to undertake a fact-finding mission in Xinjiang region, and her office stressed that access would be required to key sites, in addition to the 'vocational education centres'.
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    Surprisingly, just a few days later, 37 mostly Asian and African countries responded with a letter to the United Nations praising China's human rights record.

    "Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalisation measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centres," it read.

    According to this document, no terrorist attacks have taken place in the previously troubled region since the last three years due to China's effective measures for counter-terrorism and de-radicalisation.

    However, the situation on the ground may be tense, and responsible estimates shared by the Human Rights Watch state that nearly 13 million ethnic Uighurs remain in detention, while over one million are being held in "political education" camps. In addition, there is a general heightened surveillance of Muslims in the entire region.

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    [​IMG] There is a general heightened surveillance of Muslims in the entire region [​IMG]
    Unusually, most of the signatories of the second letter defending China's new policy to the UN happened to be Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Qatar, UAE and Syria.

    In the past, as Organization of Islamic Co-operation (OIC) members, these countries had demanded justice for Rohingya Muslims in line with the forum's mandate to "safeguard the rights, dignity, and religious and cultural identity" of Muslim minorities.

    Read more on the Uighur crisis:

    - The Uighur Muslim crisis is worse than you think

    - 'Cold-hearted' China policy taking Muslim Uighur children from families

    - China 'prepares DNA testing' of Muslims in Xinjiang


    - Chinese authorities ban Muslim children from attending religious events over winter break

    - China demands all mosques to raise national flag

    - China bans Islamic baby names in Muslim-majority Xinjiang


    - China's Uighur oppression runs deeper than Islamophobia
    Where Xinjiang is concerned, these OIC delegates are satisfied as they had been taken on a tour by Chinese government officials.

    However, some other OIC members such as Afghanistan, Albania, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia, Morocco, Tunisia, and Turkey abstained from signing the statement in support of Beijing.

    Nevertheless, all Muslim majority countries have ignored the call by the UN Human Rights Council to investigate the situation in Xinjiang.

    Having common ethnic links with Turkey, the eight million Uighurs, Kazaks and Kyrgyz population in Xinjiang happens to be the fourth largest concentration of Turkic people globally while Turkey itself has around 53.6 million Turks.

    In the past, Uighurs have even demanded sanctuary in Turkey. Out of all the Muslim countries, Turkey had initially taken up the Uighur matter last year.

    But after his recent trip to Beijing, Turkish President Erdogan also expressed his satisfaction over the situation in Xinjiang.

    Ostensibly, Beijing managed to allay Ankara's concerns and convinced Erdogan that Muslims faced no discrimination as minorities in Communist China.

    Keeping in mind the rampant reports in media regarding China's Xinjiang crisis, the matter deserves a more empathetic approach. Like Erdogan had said after meeting with the Chinese President, it may be possible to "find a solution to this issue that takes into consideration the sensitivities on both sides."

    Maybe, more Muslim-majority countries would like to help in ending the controversy. But certain factors make them stay at a distance.

    For starters, quite a few OIC members are part of China's mega-project, the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) Where business interests are concerned, these Muslim countries have their economic future tied up with China, the second global superpower.

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    The political and practical cost of probing into the Uighur issue would be too high for any of these countries to withstand.

    Secondly, even otherwise, Muslim solidarity on other issues has often come into question. Be it Syria, Yemen or even the ongoing frictions between the US and Iran; the Muslim world has always come up with a scattered response or just divided itself into two separate lobbies.

    Thirdly, while China's energy security depends on the GCC countries which are its main suppliers of hydrocarbons, Beijing remains the Arab world's secure long-term consumer base for the next few decades as fluctuating oil prices and the Western demand for alternate energy sources disturbs its economic stability.

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    Read also: Welcome to Kashgar!
    Where you can sip tea and watch
    Uighurs be persecuted

    Lastly, Xinjiang is China's border province and the success of the BRI depends on this region as it is the main land route to the Arabian Sea via Pakistan.

    Any instability here can hinder Beijing's plans for trade connectivity, endanger its investments and disturb all stakeholders.

    But ignoring the problem is not the best solution.

    According to a research study conducted by Graham Fuller from the Central Asia-Caucasus Institute, " If the "Xinjiang problem is not resolved, it is bound to affect not only broader developments within the People's Republic of China but also the stability of Xinjiang's neighbours in Central and South Asia and, indeed of the broader world order."

    But why did the problem begin and how will it end?

    According to Fuller's research, over the last two decades, China's Western border province of Xinjiang underwent rapid economic development, enough to boost its per capita income to the 12th among all the 31 provinces.

    Ranking third in the equity of income between its rural and urban populations in the whole of China, the region also has ample oil and gas reserves. Not only that, even the literacy and school completion rate is above the national average.

    Even tourism increased by 75 percent in 2018.

    Apparently, Beijing started expansive development programs worth around $7 billion to further integrate Xinjiang.

    Spurring up economic activity, this boosted migration from other provinces, which in turn irked the local Muslim multi-ethnic population.

    Consequently, around one decade ago, conflict broke out in Xinjiang after a workplace riot that resulted in the death of two Uighurs.

    Riots took place after a police crackdown and ever since then the region has faced security and terrorism issues.

    It was in 2017 that the first reports about 'detention centres' surfaced in the news and after these were mentioned in the UN report in 2018, China legalised them as training centres.



    Sabena Siddiqui is a foreign affairs journalist, lawyer and geopolitical analyst specialising in modern China, the Belt and Road Initiative, Middle East and South Asia.

    Also Reported in :

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/11/asia/xinjiang-uyghur-un-letter-intl-hnk/index.html

    https://uhrp.org/news-commentary/wh...e-turning-their-back-chinas-repressed-uighurs
     
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    YOU SHOULD BE THE LAST ONE TALKING ABOUT UIGHURS

    YOU TWO FACED LYING BITC*HES
    @The Eagle @waz shut him down. He's trying to high jack a genuine issue.
     
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    lol its an irony and is funny how the west, which is smashing around muslims all over the globe cares for chinese muslims, and how the filthy dark ugly gangadeshis, who lynch and burn muslims all over gangadesh cares for chinese muslims....you know why??? becoz there is no such thing. Chinese muslims are better off thn indian muslims they are not being killed, molested, raped, burned by ugly indians or being bombed by mighty airforces of west.
    go sell your propaganda elsewhere
     
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