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denel

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Firsthand Accounts = NO photo, NO video
sure - why dont you f.. give us independent monitors access to your concentration camps.

next, also give us access to your surveillance and torture videos.

wait - while we are at it; let us establish Truth and Reconciliation Commission for your glorious Xi/Mao wine toting brigades genocide from the 60's, cultural revolution, great leap forward into vaccuum, political rehab, tibet, xinjiang.

Let people come forward. LEt your cadres feel the power of the people - they will get buried into the hell holes they created for rest. Your dodo brain govt uses fear, torture to keep people in tow. So, you can keep quiet and go back to your digestion of Winnie Xi Pooh revised edition of red book to seek divinity.

Problem - you are so brainwashed in Winnie Xi Pooh wine that you have lost all sense of reality.

So much desperation for bonus payments. I asked before, can you tell us - how much are you fellows getting paid for posting on this forum to keep CCP attrocities chaste. I am willing to give you a 50% bonus - if you can prove with your WeChat id.
 

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This is Huge news that all members of the G7 is also calling for...

G7 calls for new study into origins of Covid and voices concern on China
 

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I suspect that you are not your mother’s son. You should ask me to investigate and send me the DNA information of you and your mother. :omghaha: :omghaha: :omghaha: :omghaha: :omghaha:
You have been reported. You have crossed the line by getting to my mother. You dick head, i will put you into the ground for what you are writing. I am not a uighur who will be put into silence.

This is a classic paid ccp bot tactic to get under your skin and close the thread down when you know you have nothing to counter against. Get personal. You are so desperate to get to this level - may be you get 25c more for such words.

Pity.... you and your kind... no life in the gutter you come from. Come to my place in person - I willl give you a good drubbing for what you have written; shows the gutter covid infested dung hole you come from.

@waz - in many parts of the world insulting my mother, i swear I will have this clown's yellow skin and bury him alive.
 
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the only way China can prove it's not engaging in any of the mentioned crimes against humanity, is for them to allow international press into *ALL* of their detention / re-education / work / prison camps.

failure to do so will probably, and with my full blessing, lead to sanctions, boycotts and severe reputation-damage eventually.
 

denel

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the only way China can prove it's not engaging in any of the mentioned crimes against humanity, is for them to allow international press into *ALL* of their detention / re-education / work / prison camps.

failure to do so will probably, and with my full blessing, lead to sanctions, boycotts and severe reputation-damage eventually.

This is truly what is needed. Open and independent outside these western/eastern setup. We have a lot of experience with this work. Our judicial people have championed this work - it has lead to the ire of Isreal as well as Sri-Lanka.
 

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This is truly what is needed. Open and independent outside these western/eastern setup. We have a lot of experience with this work. Our judicial people have championed this work - it has lead to the ire of Isreal as well as Sri-Lanka.
South-Africa would bring a large measure of independence to such a review.
Still, i'd like China open the doors of it's prisons, re-education camps and labor camps/facilities *entirely* to *any* group that requests access, at any time. The international crimes tribunal in The Hague for instance.
Anything less than that would mean they are able to continue the practices of which they are accused, which will most likely lead to serious sanctions and boycotts of Chinese goods.

Chinese tend to think the rest of the world is unable or unwilling to produce their own goods.
But the trend over here has already shifted towards local production and local consumption of a now rapidly growing number of types of (essential) consumer goods.
 

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"First hand", why doesn't this person show his/her torture injuries? Why can't US media just even take a photo of the "torture injuries" from the person they interviewed?
 

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"First hand", why doesn't this person show his/her torture injuries? Why can't US media just even take a photo of the "torture injuries" from the person they interviewed?
scars fade.
and there are plenty of torture methods that don't even leave scars.
waterboarding
stress positions
sleep deprivation
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denel

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South-Africa would bring a large measure of independence to such a review.
Still, i'd like China open the doors of it's prisons, re-education camps and labor camps/facilities *entirely* to *any* group that requests access, at any time. The international crimes tribunal in The Hague for instance.
Anything less than that would mean they are able to continue the practices of which they are accused, which will most likely lead to serious sanctions and boycotts of Chinese goods.

Chinese tend to think the rest of the world is unable or unwilling to produce their own goods.
But the trend over here has already shifted towards local production and local consumption of a now rapidly growing number of types of (essential) consumer goods.
we are seeing the same here. supply chains have been devastated. Further, chinese started to dump their textiles which decimated our local industries. Result, most of the production post - covid to move local regional areas e.g. swaziland.
scars fade.
and there are plenty of torture methods that don't even leave scars.
waterboarding
stress positions
sleep deprivation
etc
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you forget the commies favourite tactic - 'we know your family, you surely dont want harm to come to them'.
they will disappear and held as collatoral.
 

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scars fade.
and there are plenty of torture methods that don't even leave scars.
waterboarding
stress positions
sleep deprivation
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so again, there's no evidence. Just like claiming Chinese "genocide", but US to date can't show one single dead person attributable to the so called "genocide".
 

PeaceGen

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so again, there's no evidence. Just like claiming Chinese "genocide", but US to date can't show one single dead person attributable to the so called "genocide".
mr ostrich, there are witness accounts collected by Amnesty International now.
and like the suspicions about possible WMDs in Iraq was Saddam's responsibility to *disprove*, and like Iran and North-Korea have the responsibility to prove their ongoing innocence when it comes to nuclear weapons development, China bears the burden of proving it's own innocence regarding the claims of crimes against humanity and ethnicities in China.

Chinese re-education, labor and prison camps are notoriously secretive and hard to get cameras into.

the crimes against humanity and ethnicities that China is accused of are so horrendous that China has to prove itself innocent of said charges.

the only way to do *that*, is to allow any camera team from anywhere at all times full access to all of China's re-education, labor and prison camps.

failure to do so will surely lead to increasingly stiff boycotts and sanctions getting placed on China by the rest of the world..
 

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Activists Praise UK 'People's Tribunal' on China's Alleged Uyghur Abuse
By Asim Kashgarian
June 14, 2021 06:26 PM

Witness Qelbinur Sidik, left on stage and left on screen above, give an evidential statement to the Panel of the independent…
Witness Qelbinur Sidik, left on stage and left on screen above, give an evidential statement to the Panel of the independent Uyghur Tribunal during the first session of the hearings in London, June 4, 2021.

WASHINGTON - Human rights activists and Uyghur experts have welcomed a "people's tribunal" initiated in London last week to probe whether China's alleged crimes against the Uyghurs amount to genocide, stressing the need for more practical action from the international community.
A nine-member panel, made up mostly of lawyers and academics and chaired by prominent lawyer Geoffrey Nice, held its first set of hearings in the "Uyghur Tribunal" June 4 to 7 to investigate allegations of China's mistreatment of the Uyghurs in Xinjiang.
Chair of the panel Geoffrey Nice gives the opening address on the first day of hearings at the Uyghur Tribunal, a panel of UK…
Chair of the panel Geoffrey Nice gives the opening address on the first day of hearings at the "Uyghur Tribunal", a panel of UK-based lawyers and rights experts investigating alleged abuses against Uyghurs in China, in London on June 4, 2021.
China, which denies mistreating Uyghurs, scoffed at the panel.
According to Luke de Pulford, the U.K.-based human rights campaigner and founder of Coalition for Genocide Response, the tribunal is not endorsed by the British government but could prompt more direct action from authorities.
"We need to pick a side. Will we defend our values or sell out to China? We can't do both," Pulford told VOA.
In April, British lawmakers unanimously declared the Uyghur crackdown a genocide, thereby joining the United States, Canada, Netherlands and Lithuania in condemning China's actions.
However, the government this week reportedly rejected a proposal from British lawmakers that would prevent U.K. companies from using products made by Uyghur forced labor.

China denies mistreating Uyghurs
Dolkun Isa, the president of World Uyghur Congress and one of the witnesses at the tribunal, told VOA that Uyghurs have long fought for a day in court and now they can finally tell their stories.
"The tribunal is an essential body to document all the evidence pertaining to the Uyghur crisis," Isa said, adding that he hopes results stemming from the panel will provide another incentive for governments around the world to find the political will to take appropriate action to hold China accountable.
The tribunal considers itself an alternative in the absence of an international legal body investigating the alleged crimes. Its second set of hearings will take place in September, and a final ruling is scheduled for December.
Jurisdiction issues
Last December, the International Criminal Court said it would not investigate the case because it was outside its jurisdiction, as China was a nonmember state. And the International Court of Justice investigates only legal disputes between states submitted to it by them and provides advisory opinions on legal questions at the request of the United Nations and certain agencies.
"The Tribunal has always made it clear that it would not have been formed if there was a possibility of the allegations being considered at a formal international court," the Uyghur Tribunal stated on its website on Wednesday.
Members of the panel (L-R) Ambreena Manji, Nick Vetch and Parveen Kumar listen as Chair of the panel Geoffrey Nice gives the…
Members of the panel, from left, Ambreena Manji, Nick Vetch and Parveen Kumar listen as Chair of the panel Geoffrey Nice gives the opening address on the first day of hearings at the "Uyghur Tribunal" On June 4, 2021.
The organizer of the tribunal, London-based businessman Nick Vetch, said in a video before the first round of hearings that the proceedings can, to some degree, do what formal courts should be doing.
"(Uyghur Tribunal) can provide a body of evidence that is indelible and available to posterity," Vetch said.
During the hearing at the headquarters of the Church of England, nearly three dozen witnesses and experts appeared in person and virtually. They testified about internment camps, persecution, forced labor, torture, rape, the compulsory sterilization of women and forced contraception, forced separation of children from their parents, destruction of cultural and religious heritage, and organ harvesting by Chinese authorities against Uyghurs and other Turkic groups in Xinjiang.

Among the witnesses was former Chinese police officer Wang Leizhan, who was among some 150,000 Chinese police recruits sent to Xinjiang in 2018. He told the panel that the police engaged in arbitrary arrests, torture and forced confessions while denouncing the faith of Uyghurs.

"When I arrived and I went on my round, we arrested around 300,000 Uyghurs," Wang told the panel, speaking remotely in Germany, where he sought refuge in 2020.

"The reason for these arrests included that they might have had a knife at home or because they were showing their cultural identity, or they were somehow considered to have a different ideology," Wang said, adding that in some villages, the entire local population was taken to camps.
China responds
Chinese officials deny accusations by some countries and rights groups that it is holding over 1 million Uyghurs in internment camps while subjecting many others to forced labor around the country. Beijing says it provides "vocational training" and "poverty alleviation programs" aimed at helping Uyghurs become better citizens.
During a press conference in Urumqi, China, Wednesday, Elijan Anayit, a spokesperson for the Xinjiang autonomous government, called the tribunal a pseudo court lacking authority.
"The hearing is a serious violation of international law and order, a serious desecration of the true victims of genocide, and a serious provocation to the 25 million people of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang," Anayit said.
On Thursday, Amnesty International, in a new report, accused China of "massive and systemic abuses" against the Uyghurs under the guise of fighting terrorism.
"The government has devoted tremendous resources to concealing the truth about its actions," the 160-page report said, adding that China prevents millions of people living in Xinjiang from communicating freely about the situation and denies journalists and investigators meaningful access to the region.

 

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check out this article by Max Blumenthal to find the truth. Max is one of the most respected journalist and one of the few legitimate ones. The other legitimate ones are Chris Hedges, Aaron Mate, Glenn Greenwald and Ben Norton.There are really few legitimate ones besides these ones.

In case you don't know Grayzone is a propaganda website.

The Grayzone - RationalWiki
For a supposedly "leftist" blog, editors of The Grayzone have either: a) promoted far right antisemitic beliefs, b) been promoted by alt-right activists, or c) promoted far-right activists themselves.

So, next time if you hear The Grayzone calling everyone they disagree with far-right, bring these up.

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The Grayzone: Anti-Americanism Isn't an Ideology | BadEmpanada - YouTube

Here's the article debunking grayzone claim that there is no genocide in xinjiang.
China Law & Policy (chinalawandpolicy.com)
 

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