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The dude forms an opinion and expresses it and has to pay almost a Billion dollars in compensation, seriously?:-

Alex Jones told to pay $965m damages to Sandy Hook victims' families​

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Alex Jones now acknowledges that the Sandy Hook shooting was "100% real"
By Gareth Evans
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Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has been ordered to pay $965m (£869m) in damages after falsely claiming the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax.
The families of eight victims, and an FBI agent who responded to the attack, had sought at least $550m in the defamation trial in Connecticut.
They alleged the right-wing radio host's misinformation led to a decade of harassment and death threats.
Twenty children and six adults were killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Jones, who founded the conspiracy-laden Infowars website and talk show, argued for years that the massacre was a "staged" government plot to take guns from Americans and that "no-one died".
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He called the parents of victims "crisis actors" and argued that some of them never actually existed.


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"I gave up... until I decided to fight"
He now acknowledges the attack was "100% real", a concession he made in August at a separate defamation trial in Texas.
As the verdict was read out on Wednesday in Waterbury, Connecticut - some 20 miles (32 km) from the site of the 2012 shooting - many of the families were visibly emotional with some in tears.

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The three-week trial was marked by emotional testimony from a succession of parents.
Some described receiving a deluge of online hate and others said they had to move homes repeatedly for their own safety. A father, Mark Barden, recounted hearing that people were desecrating his son Daniel's grave by "urinating on it and threatening to dig it up".
Jurors also heard evidence that Jones and his company, Free Speech Systems, made millions of dollars selling nutritional supplements, survival gear and other products on the Infowars catalogue.
Jones broadcast himself watching Wednesday's verdict and scoffing at the court proceedings. He also appealed to his followers to make urgent donations, and pledged that the funds would not go towards his legal costs.

"The money does not go to these people," he said. "It goes to fight this fraud and it goes to stabilise the company."
His lawyer Norm Pattis told reporters that they will appeal the decision.
"Candidly, from start to finish, the fix was in in this case," he said outside the court.
In closing arguments, plaintiffs' attorney Chris Mattei said: "When every single one of these families were drowning in grief, Alex Jones put his foot right on top of them."
Jones, for his part, had slammed the proceedings as a "show trial" run by a "tyrant" judge and argued he was not to blame for the actions of his followers.
"I've already said I'm sorry hundreds of times, and I'm done saying I'm sorry," he said in dramatic testimony late last month that brought some in the courtroom to tears.

His lawyers urged the six-member jury to ignore political undercurrents in the case and award minimal damages.
His lead defence lawyer, Mr Pattis, also drew a stern rebuke from the judge after he accused the opposing legal team of "inventing anger".

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Sandy Hook dad: Trolls said I killed and dismembered my son
The trial follows a similar case in Texas in August that saw Jones ordered to pay $49.3m in damages to other Sandy Hook parents.
The plaintiffs - who said they had endured harassment and emotional distress because of the Infowars founder's misinformation - had sought $150m.
It is unclear how he will pay. He and his company have filed for bankruptcy protection in Texas, where a forensic economist has testified that he and his company are worth around $270m. Jones has disputed that figure.
Jones and his entourage flew to Connecticut from Texas for the trial in a private jet. They stayed in a rented villa with a pool and tennis court, according to the New York Times.
Jones still faces a third defamation trial over the Sandy Hook shooting that begins in Texas later this year.

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Now there is at least one sandy hook victim: Alex Jones


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Does he have such a large sum to pay?
Never understood such fines imposed by courts when the criminals doesn't even have that much money. Or these sentences are just for the symbolic display of justice?
 

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Does he have such a large sum to pay?
Never understood such fines imposed by courts when the criminals doesn't even have that much money. Or these sentences are just for the symbolic display of justice?

he has to watch every move he makes because the court can authorize the seizure of the assets
 

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The dude forms an opinion and expresses it and has to pay almost a Billion dollars in compensation, seriously?:-

Alex Jones told to pay $965m damages to Sandy Hook victims' families​

    • Published
      6 hours ago
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Image shows Alex Jones
IMAGE SOURCE,REUTERS
Image caption,
Alex Jones now acknowledges that the Sandy Hook shooting was "100% real"
By Gareth Evans
in Washington

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones has been ordered to pay $965m (£869m) in damages after falsely claiming the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting was a hoax.
The families of eight victims, and an FBI agent who responded to the attack, had sought at least $550m in the defamation trial in Connecticut.
They alleged the right-wing radio host's misinformation led to a decade of harassment and death threats.
Twenty children and six adults were killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Jones, who founded the conspiracy-laden Infowars website and talk show, argued for years that the massacre was a "staged" government plot to take guns from Americans and that "no-one died".
ADVERTISEMENT

He called the parents of victims "crisis actors" and argued that some of them never actually existed.


Media caption,
"I gave up... until I decided to fight"
He now acknowledges the attack was "100% real", a concession he made in August at a separate defamation trial in Texas.
As the verdict was read out on Wednesday in Waterbury, Connecticut - some 20 miles (32 km) from the site of the 2012 shooting - many of the families were visibly emotional with some in tears.

ADVERTISEMENT


The three-week trial was marked by emotional testimony from a succession of parents.
Some described receiving a deluge of online hate and others said they had to move homes repeatedly for their own safety. A father, Mark Barden, recounted hearing that people were desecrating his son Daniel's grave by "urinating on it and threatening to dig it up".
Jurors also heard evidence that Jones and his company, Free Speech Systems, made millions of dollars selling nutritional supplements, survival gear and other products on the Infowars catalogue.
Jones broadcast himself watching Wednesday's verdict and scoffing at the court proceedings. He also appealed to his followers to make urgent donations, and pledged that the funds would not go towards his legal costs.

"The money does not go to these people," he said. "It goes to fight this fraud and it goes to stabilise the company."
His lawyer Norm Pattis told reporters that they will appeal the decision.
"Candidly, from start to finish, the fix was in in this case," he said outside the court.
In closing arguments, plaintiffs' attorney Chris Mattei said: "When every single one of these families were drowning in grief, Alex Jones put his foot right on top of them."
Jones, for his part, had slammed the proceedings as a "show trial" run by a "tyrant" judge and argued he was not to blame for the actions of his followers.
"I've already said I'm sorry hundreds of times, and I'm done saying I'm sorry," he said in dramatic testimony late last month that brought some in the courtroom to tears.

His lawyers urged the six-member jury to ignore political undercurrents in the case and award minimal damages.
His lead defence lawyer, Mr Pattis, also drew a stern rebuke from the judge after he accused the opposing legal team of "inventing anger".

Media caption,
Sandy Hook dad: Trolls said I killed and dismembered my son
The trial follows a similar case in Texas in August that saw Jones ordered to pay $49.3m in damages to other Sandy Hook parents.
The plaintiffs - who said they had endured harassment and emotional distress because of the Infowars founder's misinformation - had sought $150m.
It is unclear how he will pay. He and his company have filed for bankruptcy protection in Texas, where a forensic economist has testified that he and his company are worth around $270m. Jones has disputed that figure.
Jones and his entourage flew to Connecticut from Texas for the trial in a private jet. They stayed in a rented villa with a pool and tennis court, according to the New York Times.
Jones still faces a third defamation trial over the Sandy Hook shooting that begins in Texas later this year.

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When he intentionally lies, that's no longer his opinion. That's outright a lie.

Then in the court, the victim can demonstrate he actually benefit from said lies. Hence that's lead to the astronomical amount of compensation.

Bear in mind it is very hard to convict a public figure of defamation, you have to prove that he knowingly lies to achieve personal gain or defame the other, the court proved both.

You don't want to believe in a bunch of kiddies got shot to death, that's your problem, but when you use that and formulate theories (such as FBI is behind that to take away the 2A right) you know that is not true and profit from it, that's defamation.
 

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When he intentionally lies, that's no longer his opinion. That's outright a lie.

Then in the court, the victim can demonstrate he actually benefit from said lies. Hence that's lead to the astronomical amount of compensation.

Bear in mind it is very hard to convict a public figure of defamation, you have to prove that he knowingly lies to achieve personal gain or defame the other, the court proved both.

You don't want to believe in a bunch of kiddies got shot to death, that's your problem, but when you use that and formulate theories (such as FBI is behind that to take away the 2A right) you know that is not true and profit from it, that's defamation.
Problem is the white line between a lie and an opinion, it is impossible to validate but easy for someone to side one way or the other. It's also trampling on freedom of expression, we see so many conspiracy theories flying around the internet and every one has the right and privilege to create and spread them. President Biden saying Pakistan is a dangerous country is clearly defamation, should Pakistan demand a billion dollars in compensation?
 

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Problem is the white line between a lie and an opinion, it is impossible to validate but easy for someone to side one way or the other. It's also trampling on freedom of expression, we see so many conspiracy theories flying around the internet and every one has the right and privilege to create and spread them. President Biden saying Pakistan is a dangerous country is clearly defamation, should Pakistan demand a billion dollars in compensation?
Again, the problem is not what he purposed as "Conspiracy" theory.

He can say all these victim of Sandy Hook are actors, and it's the federal government who is behind this. This is a very common conspiracy theory, if he had stop at that, that would have covered by 1A.

Problem is, he didn't, he keep pressing on the theory and ultimately using said theory to profit from his own Radio show and merchandise. To a point he basically disregards the court case and tell his follower to keep buying his item to pay the "Fine" which is now set at 965 million, which is quite hard to do.

Defamation is not just about purporting lies, but also to profit from such lies, what Biden said about Pakistan is bad intention, but not defamation, because Biden personally would not gain from said remark (Unless he also runs a company who run tour in India, then that's another story) but what AJ said is bad intention, then he profit from it, which is what Defamation means.
 

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