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Air Force To Build Alternate Airbase On Tinian Island In Case Guam Gets Knocked Out
With the threat of China rising, the Pentagon is looking for new airfields and to expand existing ones for distributed operations in the Pacific.

According to reports, the Department of Defense is moving ahead with plans to formally build a backup air base at Tinian Island, located just 100 miles to the north of its giant and highly strategic U.S. military airbase on Guam, known as Andersen Air Force Base. This comes as the Pentagon is working to expand its existing airfields located deep in the Pacific and even create new ones that it could use during a major peer-state clash, namely with China, in the vast region. It is all part of an emerging distributed combat operations strategy that will likely be as much about survival as about getting an advantage on the enemy, at least during the opening stages of a potential conflict in the Pacific Theater. Anderson Air Force Base is so key to U.S. strategy that the possibility that a natural disaster could knock out flight operations in the entire region is also a driving factor behind this initiative.

While Guam isn't as at risk of adversary missile attacks as America's military outposts located in Japan, or even South Korea, its ability to continue operating during a barrage of ever more plentiful and capable Chinese ballistic missiles is highly questionable at best, leaving alternative airfields both nearby and far away, absolutely critical to a sustained a war effort. Wake Island, which is located 1,500 miles east of Guam, is the largest such installation. You can read about the upgrades to that remote island outpost in this recent feature of ours.

However, that base on Wake Island will be more about staging airpower as a conflict heats up, not just with dealing with dislocated airpower in the opening stages of an attack. This is where new developments at Tinian Island will come into play.

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Tinian, which is now part of the Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas Islands (CNMI), a U.S. territory, was seized from the Japanese by U.S. forces in the summer of 1944 during the twilight of World War II. It became home to a huge and historic airfield located on the northern stretch of the island. It is from this base, called North Field, that two B-29 bombers, modified to carry atomic bombs as part of Operation Silverplate, flew separate sorties that would comprise the only operational uses of nuclear weapons to date. These missions were in addition to waves of bomber and reconnaissance runs that flew over Japan and around the Western Pacific from the island during the later stages of the war.

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Following the end of World War II, the airfield's big parallel runways, aprons, and support structures largely fell into disrepair, but it remained an austere airfield capable of receiving tactical transports, such as C-130s, for training. In more recent years, the airfield has been rehabbed a bit for austere deployment exercises, but it is not capable of accepting the fighter jets, bombers, or large support aircraft that frequent nearby Andersen on Guam.

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Another airfield located in the central part of the island, Tinian's actual airport, but also known by its World War II designation 'West Field,' on the other hand, can support combat jet types, but it is a small facility. In some cases, arresting gear systems have been deployed to safely operate groups of fast jets from the airfield for training purposes in the past.

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The Marines have done just that on multiple occasions with their F/A-18 Hornets. The Air Force recently deployed some Eagles to the airfield for austere operations training, as well. But once again, this is the relatively tiny airport that lacks the infrastructure to sustain military aircraft operations for a protracted period of time.
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F-15C Eagles from the 44th Fighter Squadron, Kadena Air Base, Japan, are refueled at Tinian International Airport, Tinian, during exercise Resilient Typhoon, April 23, 2019. The aircraft dispersal exercise involved Airmen and aircraft, based at Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, flying to and operating from airfields throughout the region. Resilient Typhoon is a dispersal exercise designed to validate Pacific Air Force’s ability to maintain readiness while adapting to rapidly evolving regional events such as inclement weather.

Now, the U.S. is going to build a full-on alternate operations facility on Tinian. This facility would be capable of accepting formations of diverted aircraft and even launching combat operations if Andersen AFB were to be put out of commission, even if just temporarily, by enemy action or even by a natural disaster. With this new facility will come other improvements to the island and its infrastructure needed to make it capable of accommodating transient guests and more robust military operations.

From what we can tell, this initiative is centered around a 40-year lease deal that was signed in 2019 and will leverage the aforementioned Tinian International Airport and its existing 8,500-foot runway and small apron, and expand upon it.

Haggling over the agreement has been going on for years, but now, the divert field project is officially moving forward.

A Stripes article from 2016 outlines what the Pentagon was looking for in this proposed auxiliary airfield capacity and why it was necessary:

“The divert initiative in CNMI will create the only divert airfield in the Western Pacific and provide the U.S. Air Force the capability to conduct either temporary or sustained refueling operations from an additional location in the region,” Gen. Mark Welsh, chief of staff of the Air Force, said in a Defense Department statement in February, when the choice of Tinian was announced. “It will also give us another location to use when supporting contingency or natural disaster responses in the region.”
The infrastructure of the Tinian airport will be upgraded to support up to 12 tanker aircraft and all support personnel needed for divert operations. Regular exercises will take place at the airfield, up to eight weeks each year.
It isn't clear if the scale of the project has grown in recent years, especially considering how dire the need for alternative basing in the vast region has become due to the growing threat from China. Being able to support as many as a dozen tanker aircraft would demand a major expansion of the existing airfield. It's also worth noting that, with more static capabilities already on the island, using the austere North Field complex to support the staging of tactical airliners and other military equipment would be easier during a crisis.

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Aerial view of the Logistic Support Area (LSA) set up by Naval Mobile Construction Battalion (NMCB) 11 during Exercise Valiant Shield 2016 in Tinian, Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI), Sept. 14, 2016. This was taken up at North Field.

Right now, just the sprawling America's Robert E. Kamosa Transmitting Station (REKTS) shortwave radio relay installation, which transmits Voice Of America, Radio Free Asia, and Australian Broadcasting Corporation broadcasts in this part of Pacific, is the only major manned facility that occupies this portion of the island.
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While a new alternate operating airfield on Tinian will provide some risk reduction to the Pentagon's current heavy reliance on Andersen AFB, it too will be vulnerable to high-end foes' advanced missile capabilities. Although it is worth noting that taking out two airfields that are defended by missile interceptors with medium-range ballistic missiles is costlier and a harder to execute proposition than just one. Still, these intrinsic vulnerabilities have not gone unnoticed and other airfield projects are ongoing throughout the Western Pacific or are being eyed by the DoD in an attempt to generate more basing options in case a contingency situation arrives. An affiliated 'agile deployment' initiative, in which tactical airpower deploys in small numbers to austere bases for short periods of time, has been in development and is now being accelerated to match this grander strategy. This won't just help in terms of the survivability of its own forward-deployed forces, but it will also make the enemy's targeting and defensive plans all that much more complicated and costly.

We will keep an eye on the progress of this new highly important project on Tinian, but rest assured, the list of alternate operating locations in the Pacific that are capable of accepting U.S. military airpower will grow markedly in the years to come.

 

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Air Force To Build Alternate Airbase On Tinian Island In Case Guam Gets Knocked Out
With the threat of China rising, the Pentagon is looking for new airfields and to expand existing ones for distributed operations in the Pacific.

According to reports, the Department of Defense is moving ahead with plans to formally build a backup air base at Tinian Island, located just 100 miles to the north of its giant and highly strategic U.S. military airbase on Guam, known as Andersen Air Force Base. This comes as the Pentagon is working to expand its existing airfields located deep in the Pacific and even create new ones that it could use during a major peer-state clash, namely with China, in the vast region. It is all part of an emerging distributed combat operations strategy that will likely be as much about survival as about getting an advantage on the enemy, at least during the opening stages of a potential conflict in the Pacific Theater. Anderson Air Force Base is so key to U.S. strategy that the possibility that a natural disaster could knock out flight operations in the entire region is also a driving factor behind this initiative.

While Guam isn't as at risk of adversary missile attacks as America's military outposts located in Japan, or even South Korea, its ability to continue operating during a barrage of ever more plentiful and capable Chinese ballistic missiles is highly questionable at best, leaving alternative airfields both nearby and far away, absolutely critical to a sustained a war effort. Wake Island, which is located 1,500 miles east of Guam, is the largest such installation. You can read about the upgrades to that remote island outpost in this recent feature of ours.

However, that base on Wake Island will be more about staging airpower as a conflict heats up, not just with dealing with dislocated airpower in the opening stages of an attack. This is where new developments at Tinian Island will come into play.

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Tinian, which is now part of the Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas Islands (CNMI), a U.S. territory, was seized from the Japanese by U.S. forces in the summer of 1944 during the twilight of World War II. It became home to a huge and historic airfield located on the northern stretch of the island. It is from this base, called North Field, that two B-29 bombers, modified to carry atomic bombs as part of Operation Silverplate, flew separate sorties that would comprise the only operational uses of nuclear weapons to date. These missions were in addition to waves of bomber and reconnaissance runs that flew over Japan and around the Western Pacific from the island during the later stages of the war.

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Following the end of World War II, the airfield's big parallel runways, aprons, and support structures largely fell into disrepair, but it remained an austere airfield capable of receiving tactical transports, such as C-130s, for training. In more recent years, the airfield has been rehabbed a bit for austere deployment exercises, but it is not capable of accepting the fighter jets, bombers, or large support aircraft that frequent nearby Andersen on Guam.

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Another airfield located in the central part of the island, Tinian's actual airport, but also known by its World War II designation 'West Field,' on the other hand, can support combat jet types, but it is a small facility. In some cases, arresting gear systems have been deployed to safely operate groups of fast jets from the airfield for training purposes in the past.

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The Marines have done just that on multiple occasions with their F/A-18 Hornets. The Air Force recently deployed some Eagles to the airfield for austere operations training, as well. But once again, this is the relatively tiny airport that lacks the infrastructure to sustain military aircraft operations for a protracted period of time.
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F-15C Eagles from the 44th Fighter Squadron, Kadena Air Base, Japan, are refueled at Tinian International Airport, Tinian, during exercise Resilient Typhoon, April 23, 2019. The aircraft dispersal exercise involved Airmen and aircraft, based at Andersen Air Force Base, Guam, flying to and operating from airfields throughout the region. Resilient Typhoon is a dispersal exercise designed to validate Pacific Air Force’s ability to maintain readiness while adapting to rapidly evolving regional events such as inclement weather.

Now, the U.S. is going to build a full-on alternate operations facility on Tinian. This facility would be capable of accepting formations of diverted aircraft and even launching combat operations if Andersen AFB were to be put out of commission, even if just temporarily, by enemy action or even by a natural disaster. With this new facility will come other improvements to the island and its infrastructure needed to make it capable of accommodating transient guests and more robust military operations.

From what we can tell, this initiative is centered around a 40-year lease deal that was signed in 2019 and will leverage the aforementioned Tinian International Airport and its existing 8,500-foot runway and small apron, and expand upon it.

Haggling over the agreement has been going on for years, but now, the divert field project is officially moving forward.

A Stripes article from 2016 outlines what the Pentagon was looking for in this proposed auxiliary airfield capacity and why it was necessary:



It isn't clear if the scale of the project has grown in recent years, especially considering how dire the need for alternative basing in the vast region has become due to the growing threat from China. Being able to support as many as a dozen tanker aircraft would demand a major expansion of the existing airfield. It's also worth noting that, with more static capabilities already on the island, using the austere North Field complex to support the staging of tactical airliners and other military equipment would be easier during a crisis.

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Aerial view of the Logistic Support Area (LSA) set up by Naval Mobile Construction Battalion (NMCB) 11 during Exercise Valiant Shield 2016 in Tinian, Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI), Sept. 14, 2016. This was taken up at North Field.

Right now, just the sprawling America's Robert E. Kamosa Transmitting Station (REKTS) shortwave radio relay installation, which transmits Voice Of America, Radio Free Asia, and Australian Broadcasting Corporation broadcasts in this part of Pacific, is the only major manned facility that occupies this portion of the island.
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While a new alternate operating airfield on Tinian will provide some risk reduction to the Pentagon's current heavy reliance on Andersen AFB, it too will be vulnerable to high-end foes' advanced missile capabilities. Although it is worth noting that taking out two airfields that are defended by missile interceptors with medium-range ballistic missiles is costlier and a harder to execute proposition than just one. Still, these intrinsic vulnerabilities have not gone unnoticed and other airfield projects are ongoing throughout the Western Pacific or are being eyed by the DoD in an attempt to generate more basing options in case a contingency situation arrives. An affiliated 'agile deployment' initiative, in which tactical airpower deploys in small numbers to austere bases for short periods of time, has been in development and is now being accelerated to match this grander strategy. This won't just help in terms of the survivability of its own forward-deployed forces, but it will also make the enemy's targeting and defensive plans all that much more complicated and costly.

We will keep an eye on the progress of this new highly important project on Tinian, but rest assured, the list of alternate operating locations in the Pacific that are capable of accepting U.S. military airpower will grow markedly in the years to come.

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If Guam will be knocked out , together with whatever Murica got in Japan and Okinawa and Diego Garcia and Murican carriers other than those hiding in Frisco Bay, how is it Tinian remain invulnerable?

I must be too stupid to understand !
Will some kind soul please explain that to me pretty please!!:D
 

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If Guam will be knocked out , together with whatever Murica got in Japan and Okinawa and Diego Garcia and Murican carriers other than those hiding in Frisco Bay, how is it Tinian remain invulnerable?

I must be too stupid to understand !
Will some kind soul please explain that to me pretty please!!:D
I have to same problem to understand too. :disagree: :crazy:
 

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I must be too stupid
I agree with you for the very first time!!

Look up the word contingency in the dictionary,
The idea is to have divert bases for operational emergencies - due to bad weather, technical fault or enemy action.

The US has lots of islands in the Pacific with WWII era bases that can be quickly reactivated if needed.
 

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I agree with you for the very first time!!

Look up the word contingency in the dictionary,
The idea is to have divert bases for operational emergencies - due to bad weather, technical fault or enemy action.

The US has lots of islands in the Pacific with WWII era bases that can be quickly reactivated if needed.
When the war starts, China will kick US out of first and second Island chains in a matter of days.

US would have to fight from 3rd Island Chain (Hawaii) and West Cost of the US mainland.
 

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I agree with you for the very first time!!

Look up the word contingency in the dictionary,
The idea is to have divert bases for operational emergencies - due to bad weather, technical fault or enemy action.

The US has lots of islands in the Pacific with WWII era bases that can be quickly reactivated if needed.
Ahh..

I see :D

Thank you for your wisdom in pointing out emergency operational bases.

Shhhh.. 🤫

Best keep quiet as then China will not know and not realised the emergency operational bases at all

So Murica can go on with phony FONOPs and go kicking sand into the face of China.

HOW ABOUT KICKING CHINA BALLS AS WELL AND TURN PUSHING ABOUT INTO REAL HARD SHOVING?

MURICA MIGHT HAVE A BETTER CHANCE AGAINST CHINA THAN AGAINST SHEEP AND GOAT HERDERS OF SOMALIA AND AFGHANISTAN. ESPECIALLY WITH THEIR FRIGHTENING OPERATIONAL EMERGENCY BASES


Something else I read from here https://syedsoutsidethebox.blogspot.com/2020/12/a-quiet-announcement-by-china.html

and might amuse all as to how many of these needed to take out those frightening operational bases, emergency or not :rofl::rofl::rofl:

And what other toys and surprises China got and not revealed and known until pushing go into real hard shoving.

I think lots and lots of Muricans will remain eternally young.
Just plan for another 10 to 100 more Arlingtons when planning those emergency operational bases.


5. The Sky Thunder stand-off weapons dispenser and loiter munitions.

Standoff weapons include missiles and bombs that can be released by a jet plane a distance away from the target. This provides less risk for the jet plane and the pilot. The Indian Airforce used SPICE glide bombs (an Israeli standoff weapon) in their famous air strike against terrorist camps in Pakistan earlier this year.

Loiter munitions are "powered" munitions that can 'hang around' in the air longer after they have been released from a plane. They are also called drone weapons.

The Chinese have gone another step ahead. The Chinese have developed a weapons dispenser or weapons canister that can carry up to 240 bomblets which can be released first. Meaning the entire weapons dispenser can fly hundreds of kilometers on its own after release from the plane. (Glide yes or maybe "powered" - the Chinese are not saying). Then once the weapons dispenser reaches the target it will release the munitions which can also fly for some distances on their own. By this time the jet plane and its pilot have safely moved on to another target or turned back.

The munitions themselves could be bomblets or loiter munitions which can take out different targets spread out over an area. What this means is that one pilot and one jet plane becomes a huge force multiplier.

 

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When the war starts, China will kick US out of first and second Island chains in a matter of days.

US would have to fight from 3rd Island Chain (Hawaii) and West Cost of the US mainland.
Of course you speak from years of experience planning and executing large scale military action across the Pacific. :lol:
 

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I have better advice for Americans, California.

One thing the US has not made clear is what is its strategic approach to China? Moving planes and ships around doesn't solve anything.
 

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Ahh..

I see :D

Thank you for your wisdom in pointing out emergency operational bases.

Shhhh.. 🤫

Best keep quiet as then China will not know and not realised the emergency operational bases at all

So Murica can go on with phony FONOPs and go kicking sand into the face of China.

HOW ABOUT KICKING CHINA BALLS AS WELL AND TURN PUSHING ABOUT INTO REAL HARD SHOVING?

MURICA MIGHT HAVE A BETTER CHANCE AGAINST CHINA THAN AGAINST SHEEP AND GOAT HERDERS OF SOMALIA AND AFGHANISTAN. ESPECIALLY WITH THEIR FRIGHTENING OPERATIONAL EMERGENCY BASES


Something else I read from here https://syedsoutsidethebox.blogspot.com/2020/12/a-quiet-announcement-by-china.html

and might amuse all as to how many of these needed to take out those frightening operational bases, emergency or not :rofl::rofl::rofl:

And what other toys and surprises China got and not revealed and known until pushing go into real hard shoving.

I think lots and lots of Muricans will remain eternally young.
Just plan for another 10 to 100 more Arlingtons when planning those emergency operational bases.


5. The Sky Thunder stand-off weapons dispenser and loiter munitions.

Standoff weapons include missiles and bombs that can be released by a jet plane a distance away from the target. This provides less risk for the jet plane and the pilot. The Indian Airforce used SPICE glide bombs (an Israeli standoff weapon) in their famous air strike against terrorist camps in Pakistan earlier this year.

Loiter munitions are "powered" munitions that can 'hang around' in the air longer after they have been released from a plane. They are also called drone weapons.

The Chinese have gone another step ahead. The Chinese have developed a weapons dispenser or weapons canister that can carry up to 240 bomblets which can be released first. Meaning the entire weapons dispenser can fly hundreds of kilometers on its own after release from the plane. (Glide yes or maybe "powered" - the Chinese are not saying). Then once the weapons dispenser reaches the target it will release the munitions which can also fly for some distances on their own. By this time the jet plane and its pilot have safely moved on to another target or turned back.

The munitions themselves could be bomblets or loiter munitions which can take out different targets spread out over an area. What this means is that one pilot and one jet plane becomes a huge force multiplier.

me so scared....of sky thunder.
 

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Of course you speak from years of experience planning and executing large scale military action across the Pacific. :lol:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And what experience Murica got?

Other than fighting with others and goat herders and sheep herders with firepower 100 to 1000 times less than Murica?


Murica should go and try that once and for all.

Just remember Murica won only 3 wars since WW2, against Nicaragua, Panama and Grenada.
And even though Murica fought against sheep and goat herders in Afghan and Somalia and Iraq and with fire power 100 to 10,000 times greater, Murica lost and lost and lost.

Murica would not have won WW2 but for Zhukov killing the vast bulk of Werhmacht and miltary machinery
leaving Muricans to take on the German invalids on D Day

DDay operations not even 10% of Operation Bagration.
D Day took on 3 to 4 German Division that consisted of the German invalids send from Russia to R & R. And even so, Muricans and Brits had such a hard and difficult time doing that.

Where Soviet Union destroyed 28 of 34 divisions of Army Group Centre and completely shattered the German front line. It was the biggest defeat in German military history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration



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EVEN WHEN CHINESE GOT JUST SINGLE SHOT BOLT ACTION RIFLES LIKE IN THE KOREAN WAR, THEY CHASED THE FUCKING AMERICANS AND THE 5 EYES AND THE REST OF THE WORLD WITH AMERICA FROM YALU RIVER TO SOUTH OF THE PARALLEL IN UNDER 3 WEEKS WITH THE ANGMOHS SHITTING DOWN THEIR PANTS.


America forgot about WW2 where China with barely any arms from USA and with single shot bolt rifles and swords and bare hands fought and killed 3,000,000 Japanese invaders?

And USA needed no less than aircraft carriers and battleships and planes and artilleries and automatic rifles to kill 300,000 Japs in the Pacific?

And remember that China in WW2 with single shot bolt rifles and 5 bullets to a rifle were the best armed half of the force. And with swords and bare bodies with explosive strapped to them took on and killed 3,000,000 japanese soldiers.

And USA needed no less than aircraft carriers and battleships and planes and artilleries and automatic rifles to kill 300,000 Japs in the Pacific?





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"dare to die corps" http://forlornhopesui.blogspot.com/2015/08/dare-to-die-corps.html

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Chinese suicide bomber putting on an explosive vest made out of Model 24 hand grenades to use in an attack on Japanese tanks.


The battle involved a Japanese plan to conquer Xuzhou, a major city in the East. However, the Japanese failed to consider the plans of generals Li Zongren and Bai Chongxi, who planned to encircle the Japanese in the town of Tai'erzhuang. The Japanese operation started on 24 March. Overconfidence led the Japanese commanders to overlook the thousands of inconspicuous "farmers" in the area, who were affiliated with Li Zongren and cut communication lines and supplies, diverted streams, and ruined rail lines. By late March, supplies and fuels were being dropped from airplanes to Japanese troops, but the quantities were insufficient.
On 29 March 1938, a small band of Japanese soldiers tunneled under Tai'erzhuang's walls in an attempt to take the city from within. They were caught by the Nationalist defenders and killed. Over the next week, both sides claimed to hold parts of the city and surrounding area, and many were killed in small arms battles.
Finally, the Japanese attacked frontally, failing to consider the greater Chinese numbers. A major encirclement on 6 April, with Chinese reinforcements, preceded a major Japanese defeat and retreat, which the Chinese failed to capitalize upon fully through pursuit due to a lack of mobility.
The Chinese captured 719 Japanese soldiers and large quantities of military supplies, including 31 pieces of artillery, 11 armored cars, 8 armored fighting vehicles, 1,000 machine guns and 10,000 rifles.
A "dare to die corps" was effectively used against Japanese units.
Chinese suicide bomber putting on an explosive vest made out of Model 24 hand grenades to use in an attack on Japanese tanks
Due to lack of anti-armor weaponry, Suicide bombing was also used against the Japanese. Chinese troops strapped explosives like grenade packs or dynamite to their bodies and threw themselves under Japanese tanks to blow them up. Dynamite and grenades were strapped on by Chinese troops who rushed at Japanese tanks and blew themselves up. During one incident at Taierzhuang, Chinese suicide bombers obliterated four Japanese tanks with grenade bundles.
Amid the celebrations of the victory in Hankow and other Chinese cities, Japan tried to deny and ridiculed the reports of the battle for days. It was reported in the world's newspapers, however, and by mid-April had provoked a Cabinet crisis in Tokyo.
The Chinese scored a major victory, the first of the Nationalist alliance in the war. The battle broke the myth of Japanese military invincibility and resulted in an incalculable benefit to Chinese morale.


Japanese learned kamikaze attacks from what the Chinese did to them in China.

And now China weapons are more powerful and reach further and more accurate than that of USA AND ALL HER ALLIES RUNNING DOGS.
And China got much more of those weapons than USA hope to have

Or Korean War where China with single shot bolt action rifles drove USA and all her allies when USA firepower 100 times greater than China and fighting with automatic weapons and artillery and battleships with 16 inch guns .

The military might and strength of USA with heavy artillery and planes and tanks and battleships with 16 inch guns cannot be resisted by China with economy slightly out of stone age and with single shot bolt action rifles. Bolt operated rifles were just one stage above using muzzle loading muskets and black powder.

That Chinese be slaughtered and turned into red pulp should they dare to fight good old Dugout in Korea.

Chinese whacked USA and the UN combined that they had to flee south of the Parallel as demanded by China.Chinese fought with bolt operated rifles against Ma Dueces , automatic weapons and artillery and tanks and planes and chopters and battleships with 16″ guns.

Go read the book by David Halberstam

The Coldest Winter














Look on the front line at 24 Nov 1950 and the front line of 16 Dec 1950.






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What was the military edge USA have over a bunch of separate goat herders in Afghan? Do not even need the entire fucking country of Afghan.
10,000 to 1 ?
Or is it the Afghan goat herders have military technology greater than USA??
I finished reading “the Outpost” by Jake Tapper. How a bunch of goat herders in Afghan with AKs and rpgs and IEDs (because they do not have billion dollar industry to make bombs like USA, can only make bombs in backyard on a DIY basis) taking out USA brave men despite they having 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships and billions of dollars backing them and not so good in protecting them.
If USA fought bravely with massive firepower behind them, then what about the goat herders with only AKs and RPGs fighting against USA knowing they fighting against 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships ?
Even more fucking brave is the least I can say of the Afghans goat herders. Who were untrained knowing only how to herd goats unlike the USA special forces who went through countless hours and weeks and months learning how to kill and kill.
Yet who won? And who left Afghan?
Maybe USA army should consider making their fighting folks do a course in goat herding . As who knows, maybe herding goats might be better to build up fighting skills.




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USA got fucked when USA tried that in Afghan . Against a bunch of tribesmen when USA had 1000 the firepower over them. And after a trillion of dollars what have USA got to show in Afghan?
Why did the United States of America fail to win the war in Afghanistan even after 17 years? Why does the lone superpower fail to defeat a group of goat herders?
And in Somalia. A bunch of ex fishermen and part time goat herders with nothing more than AKs and RPGs chased USA out running with tail between legs








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What military edge USA got in Iraq over Sadr? 1,000 to 1?
Please dont say Murica won Saddam.
It will be like saying Tokyo won after they did Tora Tora Tora

Or is it Sadr got better and more advanced military technology over USA?
In Iraq losing out to Sadr who had 1000 times less firepower than USA.
Having no more than AKs and rpgs.




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me so scared....of sky thunder.
You need not be scared as you seating behind your keyboard in safety of home.
Your Murican sailors and airmen and boots on the ground need not fear anything after they become eternally young

You should be even more scared of what China got and not revealed yet to give Muricans very nice surprises and keeping them eternally young.

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

And what experience Murica got?

Other than fighting with others and goat herders and sheep herders with firepower 100 to 1000 times less than Murica?


Murica should go and try that once and for all.

Just remember Murica won only 3 wars since WW2, against Nicaragua, Panama and Grenada.
And even though Murica fought against sheep and goat herders in Afghan and Somalia and Iraq and with fire power 100 to 10,000 times greater, Murica lost and lost and lost.

Murica would not have won WW2 but for Zhukov killing the vast bulk of Werhmacht and miltary machinery
leaving Muricans to take on the German invalids on D Day

DDay operations not even 10% of Operation Bagration.
D Day took on 3 to 4 German Division that consisted of the German invalids send from Russia to R & R. And even so, Muricans and Brits had such a hard and difficult time doing that.

Where Soviet Union destroyed 28 of 34 divisions of Army Group Centre and completely shattered the German front line. It was the biggest defeat in German military history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bagration



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EVEN WHEN CHINESE GOT JUST SINGLE SHOT BOLT ACTION RIFLES LIKE IN THE KOREAN WAR, THEY CHASED THE FUCKING AMERICANS AND THE 5 EYES AND THE REST OF THE WORLD WITH AMERICA FROM YALU RIVER TO SOUTH OF THE PARALLEL IN UNDER 3 WEEKS WITH THE ANGMOHS SHITTING DOWN THEIR PANTS.


America forgot about WW2 where China with barely any arms from USA and with single shot bolt rifles and swords and bare hands fought and killed 3,000,000 Japanese invaders?

And USA needed no less than aircraft carriers and battleships and planes and artilleries and automatic rifles to kill 300,000 Japs in the Pacific?

And remember that China in WW2 with single shot bolt rifles and 5 bullets to a rifle were the best armed half of the force. And with swords and bare bodies with explosive strapped to them took on and killed 3,000,000 japanese soldiers.

And USA needed no less than aircraft carriers and battleships and planes and artilleries and automatic rifles to kill 300,000 Japs in the Pacific?





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"dare to die corps" http://forlornhopesui.blogspot.com/2015/08/dare-to-die-corps.html

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Chinese suicide bomber putting on an explosive vest made out of Model 24 hand grenades to use in an attack on Japanese tanks.


The battle involved a Japanese plan to conquer Xuzhou, a major city in the East. However, the Japanese failed to consider the plans of generals Li Zongren and Bai Chongxi, who planned to encircle the Japanese in the town of Tai'erzhuang. The Japanese operation started on 24 March. Overconfidence led the Japanese commanders to overlook the thousands of inconspicuous "farmers" in the area, who were affiliated with Li Zongren and cut communication lines and supplies, diverted streams, and ruined rail lines. By late March, supplies and fuels were being dropped from airplanes to Japanese troops, but the quantities were insufficient.
On 29 March 1938, a small band of Japanese soldiers tunneled under Tai'erzhuang's walls in an attempt to take the city from within. They were caught by the Nationalist defenders and killed. Over the next week, both sides claimed to hold parts of the city and surrounding area, and many were killed in small arms battles.
Finally, the Japanese attacked frontally, failing to consider the greater Chinese numbers. A major encirclement on 6 April, with Chinese reinforcements, preceded a major Japanese defeat and retreat, which the Chinese failed to capitalize upon fully through pursuit due to a lack of mobility.
The Chinese captured 719 Japanese soldiers and large quantities of military supplies, including 31 pieces of artillery, 11 armored cars, 8 armored fighting vehicles, 1,000 machine guns and 10,000 rifles.
A "dare to die corps" was effectively used against Japanese units.
Chinese suicide bomber putting on an explosive vest made out of Model 24 hand grenades to use in an attack on Japanese tanks
Due to lack of anti-armor weaponry, Suicide bombing was also used against the Japanese. Chinese troops strapped explosives like grenade packs or dynamite to their bodies and threw themselves under Japanese tanks to blow them up. Dynamite and grenades were strapped on by Chinese troops who rushed at Japanese tanks and blew themselves up. During one incident at Taierzhuang, Chinese suicide bombers obliterated four Japanese tanks with grenade bundles.
Amid the celebrations of the victory in Hankow and other Chinese cities, Japan tried to deny and ridiculed the reports of the battle for days. It was reported in the world's newspapers, however, and by mid-April had provoked a Cabinet crisis in Tokyo.
The Chinese scored a major victory, the first of the Nationalist alliance in the war. The battle broke the myth of Japanese military invincibility and resulted in an incalculable benefit to Chinese morale.


Japanese learned kamikaze attacks from what the Chinese did to them in China.

And now China weapons are more powerful and reach further and more accurate than that of USA AND ALL HER ALLIES RUNNING DOGS.
And China got much more of those weapons than USA hope to have

Or Korean War where China with single shot bolt action rifles drove USA and all her allies when USA firepower 100 times greater than China and fighting with automatic weapons and artillery and battleships with 16 inch guns .

The military might and strength of USA with heavy artillery and planes and tanks and battleships with 16 inch guns cannot be resisted by China with economy slightly out of stone age and with single shot bolt action rifles. Bolt operated rifles were just one stage above using muzzle loading muskets and black powder.

That Chinese be slaughtered and turned into red pulp should they dare to fight good old Dugout in Korea.

Chinese whacked USA and the UN combined that they had to flee south of the Parallel as demanded by China.Chinese fought with bolt operated rifles against Ma Dueces , automatic weapons and artillery and tanks and planes and chopters and battleships with 16″ guns.

Go read the book by David Halberstam

The Coldest Winter














Look on the front line at 24 Nov 1950 and the front line of 16 Dec 1950.






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What was the military edge USA have over a bunch of separate goat herders in Afghan? Do not even need the entire fucking country of Afghan.
10,000 to 1 ?
Or is it the Afghan goat herders have military technology greater than USA??
I finished reading “the Outpost” by Jake Tapper. How a bunch of goat herders in Afghan with AKs and rpgs and IEDs (because they do not have billion dollar industry to make bombs like USA, can only make bombs in backyard on a DIY basis) taking out USA brave men despite they having 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships and billions of dollars backing them and not so good in protecting them.
If USA fought bravely with massive firepower behind them, then what about the goat herders with only AKs and RPGs fighting against USA knowing they fighting against 155 howizters , 120 mm mortars , Ma Deuces, A-10s, properly build bombs, B52s and helicopter gunships , AC-130 Spectre Gunships ?
Even more fucking brave is the least I can say of the Afghans goat herders. Who were untrained knowing only how to herd goats unlike the USA special forces who went through countless hours and weeks and months learning how to kill and kill.
Yet who won? And who left Afghan?
Maybe USA army should consider making their fighting folks do a course in goat herding . As who knows, maybe herding goats might be better to build up fighting skills.




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USA got fucked when USA tried that in Afghan . Against a bunch of tribesmen when USA had 1000 the firepower over them. And after a trillion of dollars what have USA got to show in Afghan?
Why did the United States of America fail to win the war in Afghanistan even after 17 years? Why does the lone superpower fail to defeat a group of goat herders?
And in Somalia. A bunch of ex fishermen and part time goat herders with nothing more than AKs and RPGs chased USA out running with tail between legs








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What military edge USA got in Iraq over Sadr? 1,000 to 1?
Please dont say Murica won Saddam.
It will be like saying Tokyo won after they did Tora Tora Tora

Or is it Sadr got better and more advanced military technology over USA?
In Iraq losing out to Sadr who had 1000 times less firepower than USA.
Having no more than AKs and rpgs.




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You need not be scared as you seating behind your keyboard in safety of home.
Your Murican sailors and airmen and boots on the ground need not fear anything after they become eternally young

You should be even more scared of what China got and not revealed yet to give Muricans very nice surprises and keeping them eternally young.

:enjoy:

Relax dude! Murica weak... China stronk! :enjoy:
 

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