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An anecdote...a relative of mine visited then PM Turkey Bülent Ecevit at his apartment...he opened the door himself, and his wife went to the kitchen and made a cup of tea herself for their guest...I am amazed at this pomp and arrogance shown by the PK military officers...Our faith frowns on us wearing flowing robes and drinking from silver and gold vessels
 

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Our faith frowns on us wearing flowing robes and drinking from silver and gold vessels
Astagfirullah, it is embarrassing to even associate Islam with such low IQ cringe morons.

Seriously their actions are just pure degeneracy, not even the leaders of the most powerful states and global control act in such a foolish manner. Those with true power don't feel the need to showcase their superiority, that too against literal villagers, only idiots do.
 

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I once attended a local community event in the UK where the Queens Daughter Princess Anne visited. She had 1 security guard, and there were 2 police officers stationed outside the building. She arrived in 1 vehicle acompanied by a single police car in front of it and behind it. There was no red carpet.

An anecdote...a relative of mine visited then PM Turkey Bülent Ecevit at his apartment...he opened the door himself, and his wife went to the kitchen and made a cup of tea herself for their guest...I am amazed at this pomp and arrogance shown by the PK military officers...Our faith frowns on us wearing flowing robes and drinking from silver and gold vessels

True,
A person with even little bit of sense of responsibility and a little bit of shame won't show off and spend tax payer money on lavishness, show offs & protocols.

How can one be such attention seeker & hungry for VIP treatment. I mean they don't even feel bad doing such things ? They don't even care a bit that how much stressed the nation is and how much stressed the economic situation is. How can a top position guy can have such small mind ? They worrying part is I just don't understand how come such people reach at such positions.
 

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ACM Sohail Aman was great person

Sometimes i wonder how come this mother of evils institution able to produce good people like Raheel Sharif too.

Then I realized Musa was raised in house of pharaoh
 

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Why are Pak state vehicles top-of-the-line German flagships when countries like France and Israel have used mid-ranged ones (still armored though, obviously), not to mention India up till just a few years ago?

Why are Mil and Civ events often catered by Serena, the most expensive 5-star food possible?

I ask these questions relative to our economic health.
 

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No VIP treatment for anyone.. Lost interest in army and its defence matters due to Bajwa and co. Now this air force idiot who thinks he’s royalty, will now lose interest in Air Force defense matters also. All of them are corrupt not only army but AF as well.. They need humiliating before they come down and their feet touch the ground… All defence budgets should be slashed and diverted to education and health.. and social welfare…
We need defense and strong force. Ukraine ignored it and looked at it now. Corrupt practices need to be stopped but delusion of education and health and not defence won't keep you safe.
 

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^ CoAS had/has no say in the matter of a sister service's promotion process unless the CoAS happens to be the President or Chief Exec. of the country. The PAF would tell PA to go forth and multiply if this were happening. The services have their own inter-services rivalries.

That aside, I was never impressed by him from day 1. Old habits die hard. I recall an Indian officer recalling a story during the 1971 war where after the ceasefire or something of the sort, there was a flag meeting with his Pakistani counterpart. The chap from our side was an overweight officer who had a jawan carrying an umbrella for him to shield from the sun. Not sure how true the story is, but the gori tendencies in matters of luxury have not left us and its outright embarrassment.

Now the CAS should have called out whoever, in their attempts to be over-efficient, laid down the red carpet but it does not look like he cared and gave them a rocket of any sort for such bakwas optics. The other tweet from WSK is also damning.
 

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. The chap from our side was an overweight officer who had a jawan carrying an umbrella for him to shield from the sun. Not sure how true the story is, but the gori tendencies in matters of luxury have not left us and its outright embarrassment.

What's wrong with trying to protect a lighter complexion from the ravages of the tropical sun, eh? :D
 

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I was once on CD 70 going in Model Town Lahore minding my own business

Suddenly, from a side road a black vehicle (probably a merc) turned some 50ft in front of me surrounded by 2 police dalay escorting it

They were quite far ahead of me > 50ft, & they were the ones who suddenly pulled ahead of me, I didn't get behind them
I was already going at normal speed, and further slowed down to further distance myself,

Yet one of the elite police guard pointed his KK straight a me and shouted at me to move back.
He could have asked me to move further back without it, but he raised & pointed KK at me as if he was ready to shoot if I didn't comply.
Knowing the gun discipline 👎 that Pakistani SFs have and quality of their weapons that often self-fire accidently, I was scared to death.


Since that day whenever any SF get ripped into pieces by a suicide attack or ambush, I do feel sad for them instinctively but then I recall that experience and ask myself do I really need to feel sad for these and the ones they escort?
 
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ACM Sohail Aman was great person

Sometimes i wonder how come this mother of evils institution able to produce good people like Raheel Sharif too.

Then I realized Musa was raised in house of pharaoh
If the armed forces are the "mother of evil institution" then where do you think the nafri comes from for this institution?

What is the prevailing culture in this nursery called the Islamic Republic of Pakistan? When the foundation is degenerate, how can you expect good things to spring forth?

The military does its job to make insaan kay bacchay out of the vast majority who serve, but it has its share of corrupt, luxury hungry have-nots from the society because our society teaches to put self before the nation.

Like Bajwa, Sadhu sahib should be shown the mirror too. Perhaps some introspection will happen.
 

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Someone said that this pilot in Alamgir's video is current PAF chief
Is this him?

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What's wrong with trying to protect a lighter complexion from the ravages of the tropical sun, eh? :D
Reminds me of Pakistani obsession with "fair skin".

Our people and specially the military needs to keep Michael Hopf's quote in mind always:

Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”

Someone said that this pilot in Alamgir's video is current PAF chief
Is this him?

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Yes.
 

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Reminds me of Pakistani obsession with "fair skin".

Our people and specially the military needs to keep Michael Hopf's quote in mind always:

Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.”
Why do you think I made the comment? :D

Your quote here is appropriate, but, then again, as you observed:

The military does its job to make insaan kay bacchay out of the vast majority who serve, but it has its share of corrupt, luxury hungry have-nots from the society because our society teaches to put self before the nation.

Cream rises to the top of milk, but only scum to the top of a dirty pond. As can been seen clearly.
 

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The military does its job to make insaan kay bacchay out of the vast majority who serve
Definitely does not seem like it.

In fact how can a corrupt and incompetent institution teach others on how to be a good person?

Will I go to an atheist to learn about Islam now?

Simple fact is they are small men with massive egos who are stuck in the past, just wanting to assert superiority over everyone else while living a luxurious lifestyle. No care in the world about the actual job they are tasked to do.

Cheap brown versions of the white man in the past. But at least the white man actually accomplished things.

There's not a single truly reliable institution in Pakistan in any field, the little professionalism PAF once had will wither away soon too. Pakistan is a sinking boat because of these beer bellied uncles.
 

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