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Time and time again.

This is a classic case of 'chopping own feet' in the quest for face saving. The timing of f-16.net cry and this is interesting nonetheless. However, for those who view these matters from a purely critical and technical standpoint. Some facts remain to be analyzed. And the onus is on IAF once again. Many of these facts and technicalities have been mentioned earlier by many members here. But nonetheless, many of our Indian friends need to be educated time and time again. Just for fun for the most part.

AMRAAM is 3.6 meters in length and weighs over 150 kg on launch. The picture released does not even account for 20% by volume, and 10% by weight. The structure of the missile clearly depicts detonation. This means, the missile was in close proximity of the target when the slugs were released. Those tiny metal pieces are in fact slugs and remains of the missile's outer sheet.

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The argument by our dear neighbors is based on the following narrative. And there are massive problems and contradictions with it that does not settle well, even with someone with a mediocre knowledge set when it comes to this subject.

1) AMRAAM missed the target and hit the house

Had the missile 'missed' its target. It would not have detonated. Missiles have protocols to follow, and AMRAAM is a $500,000 missile that is programmed on millions of lines of code. It will not detonate on a 'house' or target an old man, once its own radar finds itself without a target or propellant. The system shuts down and the missile falls down either like a brick or at an angle.

Either way, the missile should be found in a 'solid form' that will be either 'bent' or 'broken'. When I say broken, I refer to Mig 21's missiles that were missing tips and nozzles initially.

2) The missile hits the chaff.

This is the most civilian (read: Hollywood) concept out there. In today's era, chaff and flares are the least effective methods to counter incoming missiles. There is a reason why new systems such as MAWS, laser jamming and electronic attack pods are increasingly gaining popularity.

Having said that, deployment of chaff would only blossom a cloud of aluminum foils that would dissuade the guidance system of AMRAAM, ultimately (in best case scenario, also highly unlikely) making the AMRAAM miss the aircraft and go straight. Even in this case, the key point is that missile does not 'hit' the chaff. Since chaff is merely composed of thousands of small metal pieces that is rapidly falling down. An AMRAAM homing in at Mach 4+ will never catch a rapidly dissipating tiny metal pieces at high altitudes. The missile simply misses the aircraft, runs out of propellant, and goes to situation #1.

Lastly, the effectiveness of chaff has been highly unreliable due to factors such as its echo area (the way metal pieces separate themselves), the material used, fall rate, bloom time, and polarisation. Especially when compared with modern missiles such as AMRAAM. And mind you, C5 is a fire and forget version. Hence, this Chaff theory is laughable.

3) The missile self destructs

It was the Q4 of 2006, when Raytheon actually concluded testing of a capability called 'command destruct/self destruct) technology for AMRAAMs. That particular software update was destined for C7 versions (the most modern of that time).

Pakistan placed an order for 500 C5's around the same time. Hence it is highly unlikely, Pakistani AMRAAM versions will retain the capability that was still under testing around that time. Even if it did, CD/SD capability is controlled by the pilot or WSO. And there is no reason why Hassan Siddique would self destruct the missile himself. And there is no such thing as an auto self destruct.

4) The lack of sense/contradiction in Indian narrative

i) Indians have consistently failed to produce 4-5 AMRAAMs as they claimed. In fact, they have only produced 0.1 of the AMRAAM, for all the right reasons.
ii) Indians are saying that AMRAAMs have hit the chaff and exploded. Hence the pieces. A lofting AMRAAM detonating in the sky cannot be found in weeks. Let alone, a day.
iii) Indians claim the AMRAAM hit the house and detonated.
 

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One additional question, did Abhi use ayovadic powers to shoot down the additional aircraft as all his missiles were found attached to the aircraft. We all know that the other su-30s ran with their tale between their legs as Indians against flying (IAF) pilots were given dodger badges lol 😂

no One asks them if you were fired upon and you dodged the missile why did you not fire back? Specially if the opposing force conducted air strikes on your front line targets? No one in India knew the damage assent for at least a few hours to days after the PAF strike.
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Ironically, nobody.is asking the right question.in India given the hard, daily and repeatedly embedded propaganda. As long as masses are shut for many reasons including superiority complex, shame or Modi propaganda, it's all good for RSS to continue their rule.
Indians know how to make a mountain out of a mole
They know the art to make mountains out of no mole. That's the top level capability yet cannot be challenged by any other nation.
 

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Even I can make such "proof" in 1 minute using MS paint. Here is a single JF-17 shooting down 12 F-22s using the same vedik technology abhinandan used to shoot down an F-16 without firing a single missile.
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Let's not underestimate the superior dog fighting skills of MIG21.... that F16 was probably a gun kill that's why all MIG21 missiles were intact after crash.... Its a plausible enough theory which Indians have been unable to cash up till now.
1. No sane MIG 21 pilot will engage in a close in gun fight with two drop tanks hanging from the wing.Both drop tanks were found at the crash site. The MIG 21 is severely g limited when drop tanks are hung on wing pylons.

2. 23 mm shell casings are hard to miss, there were no tweets or social media reports of spent casings.

There were no reports of a wing man either, my guess the captured IAF pilot set heading flew in low, lost comms, due to PAF jamming, the guy had his head buried in his cockpit trying to get his radio to work when he took an AMRAAM in the face.
 

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Even I can make such "proof" in 1 minute using MS paint. Here is a single JF-17 shooting down 12 F-22s using the same vedik technology abhinandan used to shoot down an F-16 without firing a single missile. View attachment 721851

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Savage.

My only issue is that Jf17 cannot carry enough air to air missiles to take down 12 F22s, as usual load out is 4 AAMs with 3 drop tanks.
You need to add 3 more dots for jf17s to make it more plausible.
 
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1. No sane MIG 21 pilot will engage in a close in gun fight with two drop tanks hanging from the wing.Both drop tanks were found at the crash site. The MIG 21 is severely g limited when drop tanks are hung on wing pylons.

2. 23 mm shell casings are hard to miss, there were no tweets or social media reports of spent casings.

There were no reports of a wing man either, my guess the captured IAF pilot set heading flew in low, lost comms, due to PAF jamming, the guy had his head buried in his cockpit trying to get his radio to work when he took an AMRAAM in the face.
His wingman was there, albeit some distance back.... ABHI was still in full after burner, nose still up in order to gain more altitude to get a better angle for a long range missile shot... That was the time when the proximity fuse of an AIM120 C5 fired by AVM Adnan Sami got activated and the missile shredded the fuselage of the Bison....
 

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Shooting Down F 16 and Su 30 Mki are just fake claims made by Pakistan and India.

Even Not a single other country does believe on both claims. The same day, quoted the news as per indian and Pakistani sources but later realized that just are propaganda and fake claims.
IAF mig-21 shot down by PAF is also fake, I guess for Indians.. :enjoy:

At least PAF has debris of mig-21 to shown unlike some idiot who show debris of missile to prove they themselves got shot down and try spin as evidence of down F-16. :rofl:
 

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