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Afghan Presidential Candidate Abdul Latif Pedram Calls to Officially Accept Pak-Afghan Border

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Peace is still possible even if not likely.



Hmm problem is in Kabul not many think like you. If relations doesn't improve then fence will convert in to wall. Before border was on paper and no one asked for visa. And you have to admit that Pedram is right here. If Kabul doesn't stop claiming Pakistan land then Islamabad will always look for someone like Taliban to rule in Kabul over hostile government in bed with India.

Not a fan of taliban at all. Rather have current Kabul regime ruling it if they stop being hostile to Pakistan.

I don't think Pakistan is going to take land with fraud or force but there is possibility of many tribes along border of north east Afghanistan may agree to join Pakistan under certain conditions. Pakistan is federation and provinces have complete autonomy over their affairs. Apart from foreign affairs and defence. Already millions of afghan citizens live all over Pakistan as refugees.

Provided peace deal isn't reached and US no longer want to fund Afghan government, this could be possibility even if not likely.
I wouldn't mind if Taliban take over... Once they take over then we can see a domino effect and surrounding Muslim nations can start following the true path.

The possibility of Afghanistan and Pakistan coming together is something that will happen, but not without Islam. Rest assured, when that day comes our enemies won't be able to touch us InshAllah
 

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I wouldn't mind if Taliban take over... Once they take over then we can see a domino effect and surrounding Muslim nations can start following the true path.
Taliban will not take over. Now only 2 things are possible.

Peace deal, in which power is divided. Honestly federation system is best for Afghanistan.

Or civil war will continue.

I don't see taliban taking over Afghanistan again.
 

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Taliban will not take over. Now only 2 things are possible.

Peace deal, in which power is divided. Honestly federation system is best for Afghanistan.

Or civil war will continue.

I don't see taliban taking over Afghanistan again.
Why not? The only thing stopping them is USA. Before in 2001 and prior they weren't able to take over because they had no influence in the northern regions, now they do. 5 months ago Taliban members were arrested in Panjshir and they were Panjshiris themselves and that province is the number one province that is mostly anti-Talib.

Once US leaves and funding stops, they will have complete control, of course they will have to make deals to prevent bloodsheds, but ultimately power will be in their hands.
 

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Why not? The only thing stopping them is USA. Before in 2001 and prior they weren't able to take over because they had no influence in the northern regions, now they do. 5 months ago Taliban members were arrested in Panjshir and they were Panjshiris themselves and that province is the number one province that is mostly anti-Talib.

Once US leaves and funding stops, they will have complete control, of course they will have to make deals to prevent bloodsheds, but ultimately power will be in their hands.
If US leaves and stop funding then civil war will continue. Taliban being in Kabul will not matter if there is no peace. Pakistan want peace and neutral/friendly government in Afghanistan.
 

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If you've read my other posts, then you will know that I have mentioned that we Afghans should recognize Durand line if it means it will bring both AFG and PAK closer as Muslim nations, but more so because the biggest stake holders of Durand line are the people that live there, and unlike Kashmir those people actually prefer to remain with Pakistan and don't want to be part of Afghanistan, so I am not sure why we Afghans create such a big fuss about it when the Pashtuns on the other side don't even want to join us?

However this is not the issue, the issue is that alot of you have this mindset of dividing Afghanistan and taking some parts of it, or dominating it somehow or someway, and then when the bad effects of it show itself in the future and Afghans start criticising Pakistan's bad policies or when your enemies start using us against you, then you all jump into this bandwagon of anti-Afghan.

Why not take positive developmental roles in Afghanistan? You don't see America trying to conquer or dominate the Canadians and yet those two nations have intertwined interests and there is barely any problem between them. Abu Jahl and Umar had a conversation between each other and it went something like this...

Umar: So you think might makes right?
Abu Jahl: Yes might makes right!
Umar: Then in time those who are weaker than you will conspire against you
Abu Jahl: "Silent"

Even if Pakistan somehow takes Afghanistan or parts of it through force or fraud without an Islamic unity, don't you we would as Umar said "conspire agaisnt you" or wait for the right time should the opportunity ever presents itself that we would work against Pakistan? I ask why not have developmental policy instead of these shady policies that hurt us than benefit us?
السلام علیکم

It was Afghanistan which refused to accept Pakistan.
It was Afghanistan which first instigated ethnic insurrection in Pakistan.
When Pakistan was a new state and very vulnerable, instead of succour, our 'brother' Afghanistan tried to screw us over.
It was nothing but national arrogance towards 'Daalkhor' and 'Gul Khan'. All Pakistan did was respond in kind.
Should Afghanistan forget her arrogant dreams of the Durrani empire days over ruling over 'Dalkhor' and 'Gul Khan' then the relationship can be mended.
 

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السلام علیکم

It was Afghanistan which refused to accept Pakistan.
It was Afghanistan which first instigated ethnic insurrection in Pakistan.
When Pakistan was a new state and very vulnerable, instead of succour, our 'brother' Afghanistan tried to screw us over.
It was nothing but national arrogance towards 'Daalkhor' and 'Gul Khan'. All Pakistan did was respond in kind.
Should Afghanistan forget her arrogant dreams of the Durrani empire days over ruling over 'Dalkhor' and 'Gul Khan' then the relationship can be mended.
That all comes from Red commies a.k.a Surkhies in Kabul.They are still there.
 

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Seems like you people haven't learned anything from history...
Gham ma ko, dar zer bay da sta "afganistan" da Pakistan janday landey she. Dar hum da Pakhtono beyzate ho ka. Da nom Pakhtono o karona da spoh

If you've read my other posts, then you will know that I have mentioned that we Afghans should recognize Durand line if it means it will bring both AFG and PAK closer as Muslim nations, but more so because the biggest stake holders of Durand line are the people that live there, and unlike Kashmir those people actually prefer to remain with Pakistan and don't want to be part of Afghanistan, so I am not sure why we Afghans create such a big fuss about it when the Pashtuns on the other side don't even want to join us?

However this is not the issue, the issue is that alot of you have this mindset of dividing Afghanistan and taking some parts of it, or dominating it somehow or someway, and then when the bad effects of it show itself in the future and Afghans start criticising Pakistan's bad policies or when your enemies start using us against you, then you all jump into this bandwagon of anti-Afghan.

Why not take positive developmental roles in Afghanistan? You don't see America trying to conquer or dominate the Canadians and yet those two nations have intertwined interests and there is barely any problem between them. Abu Jahl and Umar had a conversation between each other and it went something like this...

Umar: So you think might makes right?
Abu Jahl: Yes might makes right!
Umar: Then in time those who are weaker than you will conspire against you
Abu Jahl: "Silent"

Even if Pakistan somehow takes Afghanistan or parts of it through force or fraud without an Islamic unity, don't you we would as Umar said "conspire agaisnt you" or wait for the right time should the opportunity ever presents itself that we would work against Pakistan? I ask why not have developmental policy instead of these shady policies that hurt us than benefit us?
The major reason why it isnt Kashmir is the fact that it beat back the kabuli army that tried to "liberate" it from Pakistan. So soon do you farsiwan forget history. Speaking of deciding afganistan then you are mistaken. Thats our land and we will see this rebellious provincepr return to the Pakistani state. Pakistan being the largest and most important nation of pakhtoons have full historical right over this farsiwan occupied Afghanistan.

This rebellion will be put to rest and all of you will have to accept realities.
 

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If you've read my other posts, then you will know that I have mentioned that we Afghans should recognize Durand line if it means it will bring both AFG and PAK closer as Muslim nations, but more so because the biggest stake holders of Durand line are the people that live there, and unlike Kashmir those people actually prefer to remain with Pakistan and don't want to be part of Afghanistan, so I am not sure why we Afghans create such a big fuss about it when the Pashtuns on the other side don't even want to join us?

However this is not the issue, the issue is that alot of you have this mindset of dividing Afghanistan and taking some parts of it, or dominating it somehow or someway, and then when the bad effects of it show itself in the future and Afghans start criticising Pakistan's bad policies or when your enemies start using us against you, then you all jump into this bandwagon of anti-Afghan.

Why not take positive developmental roles in Afghanistan? You don't see America trying to conquer or dominate the Canadians and yet those two nations have intertwined interests and there is barely any problem between them. Abu Jahl and Umar had a conversation between each other and it went something like this...

Umar: So you think might makes right?
Abu Jahl: Yes might makes right!
Umar: Then in time those who are weaker than you will conspire against you
Abu Jahl: "Silent"

Even if Pakistan somehow takes Afghanistan or parts of it through force or fraud without an Islamic unity, don't you we would as Umar said "conspire agaisnt you" or wait for the right time should the opportunity ever presents itself that we would work against Pakistan? I ask why not have developmental policy instead of these shady policies that hurt us than benefit us?
You are conspiring against us by targeting innocent civilians in Pakistan which is very muslim and "Afghan" of you. For what is known, farsiwans in afganistan are khawarijeen, hell bent on killing innocent civilians.

As for the fact of America and Canada, then you need to grab a history book. America had plans to invade Canada and they still do, that's why Canada has a counter plan of full out gorilla war. Alas if you do pick up a history book then you will also realise that Afghanistan is a rogue province of Pakistan.
 

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You are conspiring against us by targeting innocent civilians in Pakistan which is very muslim and "Afghan" of you. For what is known, farsiwans in afganistan are khawarijeen, hell bent on killing innocent civilians.

As for the fact of America and Canada, then you need to grab a history book. America had plans to invade Canada and they still do, that's why Canada has a counter plan of full out gorilla war. Alas if you do pick up a history book then you will also realise that Afghanistan is a rogue province of Pakistan.
This is going to be my first and last response to you.

Open the Quran, read it... Open the Hadith, read it... InshAllah you will learn something about Islam and follow in the footsteps of the Prophet. Salamalikum.
 

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Just to put things in perspective. This guy won around 1% of the votes in the fake Afghan elections. So you can decide how much his opinion matters.

Anyway, it's up to the Pashtuns of both sides to decide the future of Durand Line and no one else. As long as Pashtuns on both sides prosper culturally and economically, I don't care what if there is Durand Line or not.
 

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السلام علیکم

It was Afghanistan which refused to accept Pakistan.
It was Afghanistan which first instigated ethnic insurrection in Pakistan.
When Pakistan was a new state and very vulnerable, instead of succour, our 'brother' Afghanistan tried to screw us over.
It was nothing but national arrogance towards 'Daalkhor' and 'Gul Khan'. All Pakistan did was respond in kind.
Should Afghanistan forget her arrogant dreams of the Durrani empire days over ruling over 'Dalkhor' and 'Gul Khan' then the relationship can be mended.
No nation is completely innocent and no nation is completely guilty. Those who think their nation has only done right and no wrong are nationalist, and InshAllah there will come a day when Nationalism will no longer be on the face of this earth.

Afghanistan has made mistakes, the past ruler followed a nationalist Pashtun policy instead of Islam, which was the conflict that was between Pakistan, and they later made it even worse with Communism. The past is the past, we should forgive each other for the wrongs done to one another and move forward, as there will come a time when there will be no Pakistan, Afghanistan, or any nation in this world and the only thing that will stand will be Islam.

The choice in the end is yours which path you want to follow, Islam or Nationalism...
 

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This is going to be my first and last response to you.

Open the Quran, read it... Open the Hadith, read it... InshAllah you will learn something about Islam and follow in the footsteps of the Prophet. Salamalikum.
Takhtey wali, farsiwana. Ma che sah owal da aghey Islam sara se car dhey?

No nation is completely innocent and no nation is completely guilty. Those who think their nation has only done right and no wrong are nationalist, and InshAllah there will come a day when Nationalism will no longer be on the face of this earth.

Afghanistan has made mistakes, the past ruler followed a nationalist Pashtun policy instead of Islam, which was the conflict that was between Pakistan, and they later made it even worse with Communism. The past is the past, we should forgive each other for the wrongs done to one another and move forward, as there will come a time when there will be no Pakistan, Afghanistan, or any nation in this world and the only thing that will stand will be Islam.

The choice in the end is yours which path you want to follow, Islam or Nationalism...
Nice correlations you have going on. Pakistan will never forget what the farsiwans have done to our innocent civilians. :blah::blah:
 

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