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Abhinandan was released on massive Indian pressure of war: Ayaz Sadiq Claims

BATMAN

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Bhartis are beghairat that come back for more and more after getting humiliated time and time again. Not sure who they’re trying to fool with their spin propaganda but these tactics are immature and reflect poorly on their collective IQ.
Looks like you and all the rest are new to Indians and Indian media... at least i'm not surprised.

I wrote on this forum, while tea was being served to Abhinandan that this is heading in wrong direction, and he's going to narrate opposite story, once released!
However, someone at echelons of power was hell bent to release him within the time frame set by modi.
This thing can't be subsided by simply accusing Indian media.
 

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Snakes are always snakes ... serve them milk and they will bite you whenever there is opportunity - same is this 'MIAN SAAANP & CO'.
It is time to de-fang them.
After looting and plundering billions of dollars of people of Pakistan, these thieves and corrupts are hurling every abuse on Pakistan and our Armed Forces. They only doing this to avoid the question; 'MIAN SAAANP and family' from where did you got the money? Trail please?
 

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Why are you surprised ?
They keep on spreading lies after lies and no proof to back up thier statements and then it's a slip of tongue, The reason why I am surprised despite the treacherous statements by the PDM, no action has been taken against anti State elements.
 

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There is an extreme tendency of state of denial within Establishment and those who just two the one dimensional line.
When planners focus was on "measured response" up to 1/100th to the possibility that India will retaliate, then it is "no response".
Sysops is is as important as physical war itself. When there was this panicked urgency to return Abhinandan under the smoke of so called Geneva Convention then you yourself responsible for the demoralising mess you are in.

Many of us who said, Pakistan should have a stronger response:
1.Shooting down half a dozen air crafts
2. Depth charging their sub in Karachi waters
No one would had the false or correct opportunity to say whose legs were shaking.
As usual, what to learn from history, not to learn from history.
 

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Can we take a moment and appreciate the role of the Pakistani media. I have many qualms with Pakistani media but after Ayaz Sadiq bongi, we were able to immediately counter that narrative and correct it with the real facts of what happened. Same thing happened on Feb 27, our media was able to air the truth of what exactly happened and counter the propaganda of the tabloid Indian Media.

I remember during Kargil, many Pakistanis were misguided as they would end up watching Indian TV because we only had STN and PTV at the time. Now we have a vibrant media that lets us counter Indian Propaganda. In fact, i don't think anyone in Pakistan now watches Indian TV because it's simply atrocious and Pakistani channels are much superior in quality.

So lets take a moment here and appreciate the role of our media.
 

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I saw the dgispr statement yesterday and he had nothing new to add and took no questions. Strange sort of news conference. Might as well have released a statement without inviting all the journalists.
Maybe the truth of the 2nd pilot and damage to balakot camp will also come out now . How will the establishment ensure that these secrets are not revealed in this new transparent atmosphere ?
 

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As usual, limited Pakistani intellects not focusing on all relevant details. There are two assertions in Ayaz Sadiq's statement:

1. Bajwa was acting like a coward.
2. There was no threat of attack from India.

His second assertion has actually been verified now by DG ISPR himself, wherein he has again revisited the powerful response given by Pakistan. So the key question to ask is, why was Bajwa acting like a coward? Was he under Indian pressure, or under the pressure of his masters whose wishes are his command (NOTE: This is my personal speculation based on circumstantial evidence)? Thank you @BATMAN for raising the issue of clearances. Can you please also post the navy video which dramatizes the submarine lock and shows clearly that command was received from the top to not fire at the submarine?

Gentlemen, there are TWO testimonies from the airforce AND from the navy. The airforce has told us clearly that 7 clearances were not given. The navy has told us the clearance for the submarine was not given. We, as a nation, demand to know who made these decisions, and why?
 
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As usual, limited Pakistani intellects not focusing on all relevant details. There are two assertions in Ayaz Sadiq's statement:

1. Bajwa was acting like a coward.
2. There was no threat of attack from India.

His second assertion has actually been verified now by DG ISPR himself, wherein he has again revisited the powerful response given by Pakistan. So the key question to ask is, why was Bajwa acting like a coward? Was he under Indian pressure, or under the pressure of his masters whose wishes are his command (NOTE: This is my personal speculation based on circumstantial evidence)? Thank you @BATMAN for raising the issue of clearances. Can you please also post the navy video which dramatizes the submarine lock and shows clearly that command was received from the top to not fire at the submarine?

Gentlemen, there are TWO testimonies from the airforce AND from the navy. The airforce has told us clearly that 7 clearances were not given. The navy has told has the clearance for the submarine was not given. We, as a nation, demand to know who made these decisions, and why?
You guys do realize shooting down the other fighters and sinking a submarine didn't happen because it didn't meet the escalation ladder. Yes, they dropped and missed their targets in Balakot we lost 4 trees and 1 crow, but we didn't lose civilian lives; hence the Air Force took that into consideration and responded and it turned out with much better results.

They lose 2 planets, 1 Heli + 6 soldiers, dropped our load and CCTV guided it while in their air space next to their command.
You couldn't ask for a better outcome for a operation that took approximately 30 minutes.
 

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You guys do realize shooting down the other fighters and sinking a submarine didn't happen because it didn't meet the escalation ladder. Yes, they dropped and missed their targets in Balakot we lost 4 trees and 1 crow, but we didn't lose civilian lives; hence the Air Force took that into consideration and responded and it turned out with much better results.

They lose 2 planets, 1 Heli + 6 soldiers, dropped our load and CCTV guided it while in their air space next to their command.
You couldn't ask for a better outcome for a operation that took approximately 30 minutes.
Pakistanis idea of war originates from Hollywood flicks, and that's that. This is all they know and all they judge real-world scenarios on.

What exactly is threat-perception? How do you de-escalate vs an irrational actor, which ready to switch to SSM strikes? What is re-establishing deterrence vs such an enemy? How do you climb the escalation-ladder, making sure that cost of retaliation becomes prohibitory for the enemy - and how do you actually wage war in the real world are alien concepts.

Here it's an action-hero, who just pounces upon the villain and lets it go. =)

What most people here miss is that we'd have been actually at war, from the get-go, had the Indian strikes connected with the seminary in Balakot. That would have been it! And all of these gents currently gunning for war (most of them being outside Pak), would be reading about it online or on their telly, from the comfort of their homes.

You do not have to pay to being an arm-chair general. There's nothing wrong with re-establishing deterrence, making sure that the enemy knows that you will retaliate and up the caliber. And do that without going to war, across all fronts, while you're militarily engaged in Afghanistan and trying to find your feet economically.

This is another one of the reasons, why most Pakistani arm-chair generals have been bored out of their wits out of how China is achieving its targets in Ladakh. The Hollywood-centric mentality set cannot compute this. =)
 
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Because he knew that WAR is not a joke. Pakistan will not hesitate to launch a massive N-strike and of course, there will be counter-attack from India.
See millions of people will die and more on the Indian side. Massive destruction for the region and the world.

Of course, this is something you think of only when you spend a few days outside your bollywood world.
yes you are right .
You guys do realize shooting down the other fighters and sinking a submarine didn't happen because it didn't meet the escalation ladder. Yes, they dropped and missed their targets in Balakot we lost 4 trees and 1 crow, but we didn't lose civilian lives; hence the Air Force took that into consideration and responded and it turned out with much better results.

They lose 2 planets, 1 Heli + 6 soldiers, dropped our load and CCTV guided it while in their air space next to their command.
You couldn't ask for a better outcome for a operation that took approximately 30 minutes.
then why this news of shivering, perspiring and shaking legs in meeting of high ups in pakistan ?
let the gen bajwa , and quraishi clarify .
 

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Former speaker national assembly has made bombshell revelation today that Indian captive pilot Abhinandan was immediately released on massive Indian pressure of war.

Regardless of this claim is true or not, should such national secrets be revealed in public on floor of the assembly?

@Areesh @PakSword @Horus @Joe Shearer
You mean right after they bombed Indian held locations and shot down Abhinandon? Right.....
 

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Just look at the faces, who shamelessly escorted Abhnandan to the border.
A namak halal should have refused the dirty job.
enjoy ..

پاکستان دنیا کا واحد ملک ہے جسکا نمک بھی مشہور ہے اور نمک حرام بھی
PMLN sa bara namak haram abhi paida nahi howa ... Ayaz Sadiq kisi haram ki ulad haa... jisna pori quam ka lia embarrassment create ki..
 

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