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A Very Personal Account of Pakistan's Downfall Under Zia ul Haq--the Proto Taliban President

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  1. Meengla

    Meengla SENIOR MEMBER

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    This is a rambling and a very personal account of the events in Pakistan from the 1970s through the 1980s. No expertise in history or philosophy or politics is being claimed here. The hope is that Pakistanis (and the world at large) would know that theocracy is a disaster eventually--you don't want to end up like Saudi Arabia or Iran. Pakistan almost did.

    I don't know if I will have a lot of time to narrate these. I am fine and healthy. I am only in my 50's, for crying out loud. But who knows?

    There are some videos shared here, just to illustrate things.

    #1: Nazia Hassan shot to fame via Bollywood movie 'Qurbani'


    #2: Nazia and her brother singing a great song together in 1980:



    #3: Nazia Singing a great song in early 1980s. Much more covered up than #2 song above:



    And here's a bit of personal account:
    Nazia and I are a few weeks apart in age! I saw Nazia and Zoheb in PTV's 'Hum Hee Hum' show ran by Sohail Rana in early 1970s. My dad called the tv station. The producer said, yes, bring your children over for the recording. We (3 brothers, a sister, a cousin) went there. Mr. Rana auditioned us--basically saying something loud. We were In! The show was recorded, we saw ourselves and Nazia/Zoheb on tv a few days later. Yay!!

    That was the personal account. Needless to say I always had a crush on Nazia. Like many other people. The news of her death came to me too late while I was deeply lost in the American labyrinth decades later. It still hurts. She was not only a great singer but beautiful and above all a great ambassador for Pakistan.

    Now coming to more serious topic.

    While #1 video via Bollywood brought Nazia to global fame, there was nothing wrong/obscene in video #2: Pakistan was, despite ALL the accusations against Zulfi Bhutto for Islamization, a liberal country then. A Sufi country!! But General Zia thought to turn Pakistan into another Saudi Arabia--he even tried to make Arabic the official language to 'unite' people. People like me and tons of people in their 40s+ are rightfully suspicious of such bigots. We DON'T want to become another Iran or Saudi Arabia...

    And that brings to the video #3: See how covered Nazia is? General Zia tried to even ban PTV newscasters ladies and PIA ladies from putting on makeup--the ladies refused!!

    In this rambling post..I am trying to say that Pakistan has always been a moderate Sufi society. PLEASE don't buy into the modern Haramkhors like the TLP Khadim Rizvi or anyone else like him. The 'liberals' in Pakistan can be sometimes too breast-beating even for my taste--and I am a staunch liberal myself--but Pakistan's salvation lies through open discourse and liberalism. I am seeing the the rise of liberalism in Pakistan. Let's not be extremists in either ways.

    I will add more to this... But I am glad this is off my chest already.
     
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    Same here.
    I hope to see more from you on this forum.
     
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    Yes, we don't want that ...
    But unfortunately, there are many Pakistanis who idealize Saudia, and in some cases Iran. They would prefer those countries over Pakistan any day.
    The coterie of Pakistani PDF Arab admirers and wannabes very well represents that regressive segment of our society.
     
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    Hakikat ve Hikmet SENIOR MEMBER

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    I am dead against leftist leaders in the Muslim countries. Whoever eliminates them automatically earns my appreciation...
     
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  6. Meengla

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    Don't be an extremist. If you think Nazia was 'Be Parda' in 1980 then you should know that Pakistan is slowly, but slowly, reverting to 1970s and before. Pakistan was a deeply Islamic and a moderately Islamic country then. ZAB only conceded cosmetic things to the Mullahs just for the 1977 elections.

    Moderation is needed. The 'Golden Medium' of Aristotle. Or the 'MeAna Ravi' of Islam.

    Say no to bigotry and extremism. Pakistan barely dodged being another Iran or Saudi Arabia. And thank the Lord for that!!!
     
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    stop labeling everyone as extremist, if someone doesn't agree with you views that doesn't make them extremist.
     
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    very nice thread .
     
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    See above videos which I shared
     
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    Liberalism have no future neither in Pakistan nor any where in the world. This is concept which is now getting rejected every where. And if your standard is crap on tv than under Zia time best dramas were produced in Pakistan.
     
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    Can you name a few?
     
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    Waris and Tanhayian and Dhoop Kinaray and Andhera Ujala and several more. The list is massive
     
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  13. Meengla

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    Oh, the dramas!! By 1988 Zia had ruled a 4th of Pakistan's history (starting from 1947)--and he had about 11 years of the time. A long time. The color tv in Pakistan was introduced around 1976--I remember that: Rumors were that watching color tv would give 'eye cancer'. Haha.

    Anyway, there were plenty of great shows in the 1970s: Uncle Urfi, Shehzori, Khuda Ki Basti... in the very fledgling years of PTV.

    Zia gets no credit for the glorious period of the PTV in the 1980s... Absolutely None!! IF he had his way... the air hostesses and the PTV newscasters would be WITHOUT makeup. Oh, hell, I remember now: No less than the Queen of Melody (Maleka e Tarranum) Noor Jehan once had to give a public interview that she had asked General Zia to allow Urdu Feature Films to be shown on Pakistan Television. Yes, Zia even called Pakistan's movie industry as 'Fahash' (Obscene)--one of his favorite words!

    Anyway, I don't expect any pity vote or sympathies here. These are my personal accounts of Pakistan's history. Moderators should retain them. Who knows a complete picture may emerge in the future. It's better to know where we came from...apply the knowledge in future. And as far as I know---all the major TV anchors in Pakistan over 40 are acutely aware of the dangers of religious Fascism.

    We were a moderate Islamic Country. We should stay like that.
     
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    I do not agree with your assessment one bit. Keep in mind that after Zia's demise we even brought a woman into power as the head of state (Benazir in 1988) - something societies like that of the U.S cannot even accomplish in this century.

    Radicalization is a phenomena that is present across the world not just Pakistan. People who blame Zia for radicalization can simply go ahead and blame Zia for Boko Haram in Nigeria too if that's the case.
     
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  15. Meengla

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    No, I strongly disagree.
    Benazir Bhutto came to power because of her father ZAB. Same as Haseena Wajid in Bangladesh. Or Indira Gandhi in India. All because of their paternal lineages. All these societies, including Pakistan, are essentially looking at these ladies through the lens of powerful men--and not at these ladies. The 'US Cannot accomplish in this century' is a bogus argument: The US is an educated society. It can only accept so many of Bushes or Clintons. I won't go that in this thread now.

    Zia DID introduce radicalization in Pakistan. There are no two voices about that. Why do you think that Pakistanis of all stripes still love GENERAL Ayub Khan over all the military rulers of Pakistan? Why is Zia at the bottom of the heap? Zia had Nawaz Sharif try to use Zia's 'legacy' but the legacy was so wrong that EVEN Nawaz Sharif distanced himself from Zia--and Nawaz was Zia's protege!!

    Have some introspection man! And recognize the evil rulers of Pakistan, topped by General Zia ul Haq. A guy who ruled Pakistan a 4th of Pakistan's history by 1988 but is till reviled, while General Ayub Khan abdicated his rule in 1969 but is still alive in the hearts of a majority of Pakistanis. WHY SO?!!!
     
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