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A US Air Force war game shows what the service needs to hold off — or win against — China in 2030

Reashot Xigwin

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The real question here, "would the US be willing to go to war with China over Taiwan"?

It's not like it would be a peace of cake; the US military will take serious hits and so will the US economy. Even if they eventually are successful in defending Taiwan and are able to destroy the Chinese Military and Economy, it would be at what cost to the US Military and the US Economy?
Yes. That's why the US is there in the 1st place. Taiwan independence is guaranteed by the US.

The damage to the economy & military will be more on the Chinese sides than the US.
 

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Losing how exactly? Even the op link said the US will win with less the estimated casualties.
You should improve your reading comprehension:
Furthermore, the air force that fought in the simulated conflict isn’t one that exists today, nor is it one the service is seemingly on a path to realize. While legacy planes like the B-52 bomber and newer ones like the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter played a role, many key technologies featured during the exercise are not in production or even planned for development by the service.
In other words, just like in my previous response to the OP's trolling
That's all China's opponents have - IMAAAAGINAAAATIOOON, IMAAAAAAAGINAAAAAAATIOOOON...
 

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Very difficult for ballistic missiles to hit moving ships out in the open ocean.

Remember that USN has ballistic missile submarines requipped with hundreds of land-attack tomahawk cruise missiles - the firing will go both ways.
Cruise missile are different. They are easily intercept once detected. Ballistic missile has the speed and range. Their sheer velocity are things to fear.

As for ballistic missile hitting moving ship are no more myth. Even USN commander admit it China successfully demonstrated it and the whole process witness by US spy satellite.

Yes. That's why the US is there in the 1st place. Taiwan independence is guaranteed by the US.

The damage to the economy & military will be more on the Chinese sides than the US.
Indeed, when is US going to renounced one China policy and recognised Taiwan independent?

And damage is more to China economy side but why Trump didn't win the trade war against China?

You are just self comfort and delude yourself. :enjoy:
 

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Cruise missile are different. They are easily intercept once detected. Ballistic missile has the speed and range. Their sheer velocity are things to fear.

As for ballistic missile hitting moving ship are no more myth. Even USN commander admit it China successfully demonstrated it and the whole process witness by US spy satellite.


Yes but detecting terrain-hugging cruise missiles is difficult unless you know where to look. What you cannot detect you cannot shoot down.

Just because China successfully managed to hit a moving ship, this does not mean anything. China knew exactly where that ship was, the ship may not have carried out any evasive maonuevres and also it probably did not use any passive defence and definitely did not try to shoot the ballistic missile down.

Remember in a real war, the US will try to break you sensor chain as soon as possible and so if they get degraded sufficiently you may not even be able to fire your missiles in the first place at USN.
 

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You should improve your reading comprehension:

In other words, just like in my previous response to the OP's trolling
That's all China's opponents have - IMAAAAGINAAAATIOOON, IMAAAAAAAGINAAAAAAATIOOOON...
You should follow your own advice.
Both the United States and Taiwan suffered high levels of attrition during the exercise, with an even higher rate of casualties among Chinese forces. Hinote declined to share exact figures due to the classification of the exercise, but said the Air Force incurred losses an “order of magnitude” lower than those projected by the service in its 2018 war game.

“The force that we had programmed, say, in 2018 took devastating losses. This force doesn’t take those devastating losses,” Hinote said. “They do take losses. We do lose a lot of airmen. It is a difficult fight.
You said the US would lose but never specify how it will.
 

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Yes but detecting terrain-hugging cruise missiles is difficult unless you know where to look. What you cannot detect you cannot shoot down.

Just because China successfully managed to hit a moving ship, this does not mean anything. China knew exactly where that ship was, the ship may not have carried out any evasive maonuevres and also it probably did not use any passive defence and definitely did not try to shoot the ballistic missile down.

Remember in a real war, the US will try to break you sensor chain as soon as possible and so if they get degraded sufficiently you may not even be able to fire your missiles in the first place at USN.
As if China will not break US sensor and is sitting duck for US? All your scenario are just one sided wishful thinking who expect China not to do a single thing.
 

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As if China will not break US sensor and is sitting duck for US? All your scenario are just one sided wishful thinking who expect China not to do a single thing.


Did I not say that it will be 50:50 in 2030 war as to who wins?

I think it is Chinese pdf posters who think only China will fire and US will sit back.

Hitting a moving fleet out in the open ocean is harder for obvious reasons than hitting fixed land targets where the position is known in advance and by in large are not mobile.

China will have advantage of more assets but US will have slightly better technology overall and mobility in the open ocean.
 

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You should follow your own advice.


You said the US would lose but never specify how it will.
Becos SCS is China playground. There is reason why China position 3000 ballistic missile around the area and couple with a huge air fleet in the eastern theatre. Most of China asset are there. And they are very well protected by a sophisticated umbrella of air defense.

Taiwan strait is only 130km wide and not 1300km. You don't even need an hour of helicopter time to reach it.
 

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Becos SCS is China playground. There is reason why China position 3000 ballistic missile around the area and couple with a huge air fleet in the eastern theatre. Most of China asset are there. And they are very well protected by a sophisticated umbrella of air defense.

Taiwan strait is only 130km wide and not 1300km. You don't even need an hour of helicopter time to reach it.
Armenia used ballistic missiles and Karabakh is closer to them than China is to the SCS. Didn't help them win the war now does it?

Also balistic missiles has been proven to not be effective against modern AAD systems.

& the taiwan straits will be littered with AEGIS equipped ships and not even counting ground defense systems.

You want to win war put boots on the ground and ships on the water. The problem is that the USN will wiped out most of PLAN ships before they even reach Taiwan.
 

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Armenia used ballistic missiles and Karabakh is closer to them than China is to the SCS. Didn't help them win the war now does it?

Also balistic missiles has been proven to not be effective against modern AAD systems.

& the taiwan straits will be littered with AEGIS equipped ships and not even counting ground defense systems.

You want to win war put boots on the ground and ships on the water. The problem is that the USN will wiped out most of PLAN ships before they even reach Taiwan.
You used armenia as example for China? :disagree:

Armenia don't have UCAV, so China don't have UCAV too, right?

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Iran used ballistic missile with precision strike and shut US trump mouth. Didn t US ask for peace instead of retaliate when US base in iraqi got hit by ballistic missile?

How selective of you to omit things just to suit your agenda.
 

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You used armenia as example for China? :disagree:

Armenia don't have UCAV, so China don't have UCAV too, right?

Iran used ballistic missile with precision strike and shut US trump mouth. Didn t US ask for peace instead of retaliate when US base in iraqi got hit by ballistic missile?
A technologically & numerically inferior country compared to its adversary? No, no good heavens no would not even dare to make that comparison ;)

Where is the part did the US gave up control of the middle east to Iran after being struk by ballistic missile?

Yeah keep trying mate you almost have a good enough explanation on how China going to win.
 

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A technologically & numerically inferior country compared to its adversary? No, no good heavens no would not even dare to make that comparison ;)

Where is the part did the US gave up control of the middle east to Iran after being struk by ballistic missile?

Yeah keep trying mate you almost have a good enough explanation on how China going to win.
Tell me why didn't US give Iran a big military retaliation response when Iran decide to poke into their nest? Isn't US claim tor be the world most powerful military?

They are scared of Iran? :lol:

And we have bravado claiming US will fight for Taiwan against PRC China?
 

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Tell me why didn't US give Iran a big military retaliation response when Iran decide to poke into their nest? Isn't US claim tor be the world most powerful military?

They are scared of Iran? :lol:

And we have bravado claiming US will fight for Taiwan against PRC China?



So, what stops the PLA from just walking in now then?
 

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So, what stops the PLA from just walking in now then?
Becos China do not want to take back a broken Taiwan. Peace reunification is still on the table.

US despite all the cheap move has never claim to abandon one China policy nor recognised Taiwan as independent country. They even send all the ex diplomats instead of real one just to please the western media and ignorant who think US still in control. :enjoy:

Time is on PRC China side
 

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You should follow your own advice.


You said the US would lose but never specify how it will.
I didn't say the US would lose, I said the US says the US will lose. I happen to agree with their assessment.

I'm afraid you don't have the cognitive capacity for me to continue this conversation, and you're just a common China hater arguing in bad faith. Hate as much as you want, it won't stop China from shifting the balance of power in its favour until it's powerful enough to expel the US from the western Pacific.
 

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