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A US Air Force war game shows what the service needs to hold off — or win against — China in 2030

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Yeah no the US will still dominate the sea & air for the foreseeable future


Airforce wise the same things but the US will replaced a huge part of its airforce with 5th gen and later gen in the near future. Also if conflict do start china will have go to war alone while the US have friends to back her up and serves as force multipliers.

But you only calculate the destroyers. How about fregat, covete, submarine, litoral combat ,etc?

Besides, it is not clear from where the data you bring and how accurate it is.
For example, currently China can produce 2 x Type 055 per year, hence 10 years from 2020 the number of 055 are supposed to be 22 instead of just 16 as displayed in your picture; same case with Type 052.
 

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I though USA has over 13 thousand planes, don't tell me most of them are down ?
No,
But what most of you don’t get is US military is spread throughout the world and dealing with Middle East, South America, Ukraine rtc and can only commit a small amount to protect Taiwan.

If the entire US military was concentrated to South China Sea. They would level China to the ground
 

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No,
But what most of you don’t get is US military is spread throughout the world and dealing with Middle East, South America, Ukraine rtc and can only commit a small amount to protect Taiwan.

If the entire US military was concentrated to South China Sea. They would level China to the ground
And you never take Into consideration of China air defense and ballistic missile strength?

We all witness Iran ballistic prowess in Jan 2020 and you can considered what China offer is 10x Iran doing...
 

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However, in the war game, that role was played by the more survivable NGAD, in part due to the F-35′s inability to traverse the long ranges of the Pacific without a tanker nearby, Hinote said.
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Impossible for Fighters combat radius to be trans-Pacific. This is crazy specs.
 

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And you never take Into consideration of China air defense and ballistic missile strength?

We all witness Iran ballistic prowess in Jan 2020 and you can considered what China offer is 10x Iran doing...
everything is witnessed and then said for. And yeah 2020 witnessed we used 1 drone. And the ballistics which Iran told us they were gona shoot yet no US soldier died specially when we took out the 2nd most important Guy in their country?

and u also understand we had 1 drone and a few guys on a base vs those missiles and here it’s 1000x more

11 aircraft carriers, 13,000 planes, B52, raptors tomahawk. Entire military

now none of this to say that US won’t incur heavy casualties but they would certainly level China. If the entire military was put for.
 

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everything is witnessed and then said for. And yeah 2020 witnessed we used 1 drone. And the ballistics which Iran told us they were gona shoot yet no US soldier died specially when we took out the 2nd most important Guy in their country?

and u also understand we had 1 drone and a few guys on a base vs those missiles and here it’s 1000x more

11 aircraft carriers, 13,000 planes, B52, raptors tomahawk. Entire military

now none of this to say that US won’t incur heavy casualties but they would certainly level China. If the entire military was put for.
Submarines, destroyers, DF-21, DF-26, DF-17 .... including thousands drone sub will be very dangerous for US Carriers.

You will have high uncertainty on dealing with these, let alone to certainly level China :)
 

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everything is witnessed and then said for. And yeah 2020 witnessed we used 1 drone. And the ballistics which Iran told us they were gona shoot yet no US soldier died specially when we took out the 2nd most important Guy in their country?

and u also understand we had 1 drone and a few guys on a base vs those missiles and here it’s 1000x more

11 aircraft carriers, 13,000 planes, B52, raptors tomahawk. Entire military

now none of this to say that US won’t incur heavy casualties but they would certainly level China. If the entire military was put for.
Lol.. Iran openly declare war on US by directly attacking your base in Iraq and what is US respond?

The spineless paper tiger respond is to ask for peace from Iran. :lol:

US is good in only bully small country in real war.

It will be wipe out if fought a real war with China. :enjoy:
 

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everything is witnessed and then said for. And yeah 2020 witnessed we used 1 drone. And the ballistics which Iran told us they were gona shoot yet no US soldier died specially when we took out the 2nd most important Guy in their country?

and u also understand we had 1 drone and a few guys on a base vs those missiles and here it’s 1000x more

11 aircraft carriers, 13,000 planes, B52, raptors tomahawk. Entire military

now none of this to say that US won’t incur heavy casualties but they would certainly level China. If the entire military was put for.
Reason why USA lost in all previous war game in West Pacific is because China got homeground advantage. You guys need a transpacific combat fighter, which is next to impossible. Such thing will turns out as a strategic bomber.

Alternatively you guys can make thousands of fighters and hundreds of forever online tanker refueler to make the fighter transpacific.

Dont think USA can pull this off.
 

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Lol.. Iran openly declare war on US by directly attacking your base in Iraq and what is US respond?

The spineless paper tiger respond is to ask for peace from Iran. :lol:

US is good in only bully small country in real war.

It will be wipe out if fought a real war with China. :enjoy:

Yeah in your moon man world thats how wars are declared. but in real world more probable cause to a war was taking out another country's general. and yet iran didnt had the balls to declare an actual war.

It'll be wipe out in your dreams son. thats why we openly invade your "soverign islands" and all you can do is sit and watch our carriers go in and out of "your" territory. China is the biggest pussy in that regard that someone is openly violating and entering the land you claim is yours yet u dont know do jack shit
Reason why USA lost in all previous war game in West Pacific is because China got homeground advantage. You guys need a transpacific combat fighter, which is next to impossible. Such thing will turns out as a strategic bomber.

Alternatively you guys can make thousands of fighters and hundreds of forever online tanker refueler to make the fighter transpacific.

Dont think USA can pull this off.
i agree 100%. however if nearby countries allow the entire military to station and fight a direct border-border conflict U.S will win. that ofcourse is a hypothetical and least likely to happen.

and more least likely is that US will commit more forces to protect and islans that isnt even ours.

china can never go on offence with US but china can definitly take of defensive with the US
 

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Yeah in your moon man world thats how wars are declared. but in real world more probable cause to a war was taking out another country's general. and yet iran didnt had the balls to declare an actual war.

It'll be wipe out in your dreams son. thats why we openly invade your "soverign islands" and all you can do is sit and watch our carriers go in and out of "your" territory. China is the biggest pussy in that regard that someone is openly violating and entering the land you claim is yours yet u dont know do jack shit
Openly invade our sovereign? That is for US media consumption like u to feel good. So far non of China islet under our possession in SCS have been taken back by US. Why bravado US didn't recognize Taiwan independent while obey one China policy? Are US scared of PRC China?

China is not as spinless as US. Anyone openly attack us with missile will be met with full force unlike some coward who can only ask for peace. :enjoy:
 

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Openly invade our sovereign? That is for US media consumption like u to feel good. So far non of China islet under our possession in SCS have been taken back by US. Why bravado US didn't recognize Taiwan independent while obey one China policy? Are US scared of PRC China?

China is not as spinless as US. Anyone openly attack us with missile will be met with full force unlike some coward who can only ask for peace. :enjoy:
are you stupid you claim the entire south sea is yours and yet we sail in and out and you watch from the distance. if for example we claim gulf of mexico is ours come and try and sail your ships there they will get sunk.

china is the biggest pussy to have US sail directly to their sea. and i dont know need to confer of china spinless-ness and pussy-ness that you lost to indians in 1968, bloody indians and its hilarious to think with track record you can take on US lol

-further evdience of ur pussyness. we took Huaweii's grand daughter. the guy who finances your CCP yet u detained candians? dont even have the balls to take on US directly?
 

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Yeah in your moon man world thats how wars are declared. but in real world more probable cause to a war was taking out another country's general. and yet iran didnt had the balls to declare an actual war.

It'll be wipe out in your dreams son. thats why we openly invade your "soverign islands" and all you can do is sit and watch our carriers go in and out of "your" territory. China is the biggest pussy in that regard that someone is openly violating and entering the land you claim is yours yet u dont know do jack shit


i agree 100%. however if nearby countries allow the entire military to station and fight a direct border-border conflict U.S will win. that ofcourse is a hypothetical and least likely to happen.

and more least likely is that US will commit more forces to protect and islans that isnt even ours.

china can never go on offence with US but china can definitly take of defensive with the US
China will use bunker buster to bomb the transit air field.

Basically USA needs to make it expensive to bunker buster airfield. Short range missile is cheap. Middle range missile affordable.

Long range missile quite expensive.

That is why it is best to take off from Colorado. Air field there is safe.
 

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China will use bunker buster to bomb the transit air field.

Basically USA needs to make it expensive to bunker buster airfield. Short range missile is cheap. Middle range missile affordable.

Long range missile quite expensive.

That is why it is best to take off from Colorado. Air field there is safe.
in practical terms, none of this shit is going to happen. i doubt china and US will go against each other specially when their economies are so reliant on each other. and i doubt US will send more forces for taiwan or china will inavde taiwan
 

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in practical terms, none of this shit is going to happen. i doubt china and US will go against each other specially when their economies are so reliant on each other. and i doubt US will send more forces for taiwan or china will inavde taiwan
My take is China is going to make intervention so expensive that USA eventually will make a deal to sell Taiwan.
 

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My take is China is going to make intervention so expensive that USA eventually will make a deal to sell Taiwan.
No, US is rallying nearby countries and being friendly with them so they will allow them to station their military. my take is china US is gona bring so much weaponary in Japan, Phillipines, etc that china wont invade taiwan.

and this is basically what a cold war is
 

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