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The PAF has around 920 -950 aircafts in its fleet ...........

PAFs current and new acquisitions

Jets
60 - JF-17s ( 90 on order )
80 - F-16s (8 new F-16s on order)
75 - Mirage 3 /////////////////////
82 - Mirage 5 /////////////////////
185 - F-7s / F-7p / F-7pg


Planes the PAF is interested in
Su-35s
j-10s
yak-130


Trainer aircraft

150 - Super Mushak (basic trainer)
60 - K-8 (intermediate trainer ) - ( 20 on order )
65 - T-37 (intermediate Trainer) - (34 gifted by Turkey this year)

Transport aircraft
USSR Antonov An-26 - 1

USA Lockheed C-130 Hercules - 18

Harbin y-12 - 2

Saab 2000 - 1

USSR Ilyushin Il-78 - 4
Il-78MK

Pakistan has 10 more transport aircrafts which i have not mentioned


Helicopters
Mi-17 - 80
Aloutte - 95
Cobra gunships - 50
Z-10 gunships - 3 ( more on order )
Vipers ( 15 on order )
Mi-35 ( 12 on order )

Pakistan has around 50 more helis which i have not mentioned ....

Special Mission Aircraft
Dassult falcon - 3
Saab 2000 Ereiye - 4 (AWACS )
Shaanxi ZDK-03 - 4 (AWACs)

Plus Pakistan has around 70 drones armed and Unarmed ,I have only included the main aircrafts of the PAF ...
I personally think J10's are the go to fighters now for PAF. I wouldn't be surprised if PAF get their hands on EF though. If India selects both F16 for immediate augmentation and Gripens for technical help on Tejas.

J10's are pretty potent planes.
 

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Most likely, Pakistan will for a Chinese aircraft. All of this talk of Typhoon is just fantasy.

Pakistan is strategically moving towards Chinese sphere of influence. Russia too seemingly converging into this as China is a big economic partner of Russia. So it does not seem Pakistan will make any move towards buying a European platform.
 

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Hi guys. Long time follower. I finally decided to join to post comments. Anyways just wanted to comment that it's becoming clear India is in a different league with respect to military procurement. Alliances are shifting in the world and muslim nations are being left behind because of inept leadership. With respect to Pakistan Air Force, she should forget about any meaningful alliance with the US. Since defense procurements have a strong element of diplomatic meaning, I don't expect American platforms to be available for Pakistan Air Force in a reliable manner. The US has chosen India. I hate to say it but in order to not fall too much behind, the PAF needs to think strategically as well as about its tactical needs. Of course, I am sure they are more aware of the situation than any of us. My suggestion would be to obtain the eurofighter. Whether used example of tranche 1 from Italy or Spain. Or a mixed new batch and used as bilal has stated. The reason being the tfx and Fc-31 are years away. Furthermore they are unknown quantities. Better to hedge bets and do a split buy of a proven western platform I.e. Eurofighter as well work on a 5th generation platform.

you have flag of USA in ur profile.. :P
 

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Frankly j10 adds little capability to PAF, especially in numbers around 40. PAF should put full efforts to improve the jf17 to bring it structurally in league with 90% of F-16s physical performance (meaning slightly enlarged airframe, much more potent engine, and better weapons loading and larger fuel storage, including cft for more range). Improve electronically via chinese or Italian radars and ew suits. Bring it electronically in league with gripen ng and you will have an answer to rafale and f-16 blk 70 or whatever else the IAF will field (may not be equal but will be close enough amd cheaper that PAF can feel comfortable with it in large numbers to be able to hold its own against the best of the IAF).

For strike the only remaining affordable option is JH7B which has the weapons capacity of MKI and if you equip it with J-11D's electronics you will have a bomb/missile truck which can do both ground strike amd antiship functionality, especially when escorted by those upgraded jf17.

Add to this 6-8 H-6K strategic bombers equipped with Air Launched versions of Babur and you could sit from deep inside Pakistan and launch saturation LACM strikes deep into India and well outside the reach of S400.
 

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Hopefully PAF now will look for a Chinese option may be j-11D or something to counter continuos threats posed by Indians for looking again for a single engine.
 

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Russia is not selling anything serious to Pakistan due to lack of funds and same applies to Europe
The problem for Pakistan is that windows of opportunities to acquire the Eurofighter are fast closing & by the time Pakistan is financially ready (if ever) the opportunity might never be there.

You saw this with the F-16 Block 52 acquisitions in which the Pakistanis limited the numbers & diverted the funds towards the Kashmiri Earthquake rehabilitation; with the hope they could order more down the road. You saw this with the Mirage-2000 acquisition plans in the early 1990s. You saw it again with talks of acquiring the Rafale. In all these cases, the Pakistani prayed for an ideal day that never materialized.

Currently, Pakistan's hope of acquiring the Eurofighters hinges on the Italians partly due to the later's bad diplomatic relationship with India & also partly due to Pakistan'a long running relationship with Italian defense firms. There could potentially be a day when india'a relationship with Italy improves or if the Indian navy which is looking to broaden surface fleet commits to Italian naval designs. Both prospects will kill any hope of Pakistan acquiring the Eurofighters.

Pakistan will be left with J-31 & other inferior, really junk, designs the Chinese themselves don't want. Consequently, when you let your adversary to considerably widen both the qualitative & quantitive conventional gap, you encourage your adversary to entertain ideas of short & decisive military engagement that are limited in terms of space & time but punishing in terms of intensity.

If you look at the Indian acquisitions for the past decade & so, you will see that it's military is being prepared for exactly this type of confrontation. The ongoing diplomatic narratives & public posture is simply the prelude to such confrontation.

This is precisely why the typical Pakistani talks of "everything is fine" and "1:3" ratios being manageable is laughable. It assumes a Pakistani qualitative edge that's none existent.

My 2 cents.
 

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The problem for Pakistan is that windows of opportunities to acquire the Eurofighter are fast closing & by the time Pakistan is financially ready (if ever) the opportunity might never be there.

You saw this with the F-16 Block 52 acquisitions in which the Pakistanis limited the numbers & diverted the funds towards the Kashmiri Earthquake rehabilitation; with the hope they could order more down the road. You saw this with the Mirage-2000 acquisition plans in the early 1990s. You saw it again with talks of acquiring the Rafale. In all these cases, the Pakistani prayed for an ideal day that never materialized.

Currently, Pakistan's hope of acquiring the Eurofighters hinges on the Italians partly due to the later's bad diplomatic relationship with India & also partly due to Pakistan'a long running relationship with Italian defense firms. There could potentially be a day when india'a relationship with Italy improves or if the Indian navy which is looking to broaden surface fleet commits to Italian naval designs. Both prospects will kill any hope of Pakistan acquiring the Eurofighters.

Pakistan will be left with J-31 & other inferior, really junk, designs the Chinese themselves don't want. Consequently, when you let your adversary to considerably widen both the qualitative & quantitive conventional gap, you encourage your adversary to entertain ideas of short & decisive military engagement that are limited in terms of space & time but punishing in terms of intensity.

If you look at the Indian acquisitions for the past decade & so, you will see that it's military is being prepared for exactly this type of confrontation. The ongoing diplomatic narratives & public posture is simply the prelude to such confrontation.

This is precisely why the typical Pakistani talks of "everything is fine" and "1:3" ratios being manageable is laughable. It assumes a Pakistani qualitative edge that's none existent.

My 2 cents.
The problem for Pakistan is that windows of opportunities to acquire the Eurofighter are fast closing & by the time Pakistan is financially ready (if ever) the opportunity might never be there.

You saw this with the F-16 Block 52 acquisitions in which the Pakistanis limited the numbers & diverted the funds towards the Kashmiri Earthquake rehabilitation; with the hope they could order more down the road. You saw this with the Mirage-2000 acquisition plans in the early 1990s. You saw it again with talks of acquiring the Rafale. In all these cases, the Pakistani prayed for an ideal day that never materialized.

Currently, Pakistan's hope of acquiring the Eurofighters hinges on the Italians partly due to the later's bad diplomatic relationship with India & also partly due to Pakistan'a long running relationship with Italian defense firms. There could potentially be a day when india'a relationship with Italy improves or if the Indian navy which is looking to broaden surface fleet commits to Italian naval designs. Both prospects will kill any hope of Pakistan acquiring the Eurofighters.

Pakistan will be left with J-31 & other inferior, really junk, designs the Chinese themselves don't want. Consequently, when you let your adversary to considerably widen both the qualitative & quantitive conventional gap, you encourage your adversary to entertain ideas of short & decisive military engagement that are limited in terms of space & time but punishing in terms of intensity.
The problem for Pakistan is that windows of opportunities to acquire the Eurofighter are fast closing & by the time Pakistan is financially ready (if ever) the opportunity might never be there.

You saw this with the F-16 Block 52 acquisitions in which the Pakistanis limited the numbers & diverted the funds towards the Kashmiri Earthquake rehabilitation; with the hope they could order more down the road. You saw this with the Mirage-2000 acquisition plans in the early 1990s. You saw it again with talks of acquiring the Rafale. In all these cases, the Pakistani prayed for an ideal day that never materialized.

Currently, Pakistan's hope of acquiring the Eurofighters hinges on the Italians partly due to the later's bad diplomatic relationship with India & also partly due to Pakistan'a long running relationship with Italian defense firms. There could potentially be a day when india'a relationship with Italy improves or if the Indian navy which is looking to broaden surface fleet commits to Italian naval designs. Both prospects will kill any hope of Pakistan acquiring the Eurofighters.

Pakistan will be left with J-31 & other inferior, really junk, designs the Chinese themselves don't want. Consequently, when you let your adversary to considerably widen both the qualitative & quantitive conventional gap, you encourage your adversary to entertain ideas of short & decisive military engagement that are limited in terms of space & time but punishing in terms of intensity.

If you look at the Indian acquisitions for the past decade & so, you will see that it's military is being prepared for exactly this type of confrontation. The ongoing diplomatic narratives & public posture is simply the prelude to such confrontation.

This is precisely why the typical Pakistani talks of "everything is fine" and "1:3" ratios being manageable is laughable. It assumes a Pakistani qualitative edge that's none existent.

My 2 cents.
I agree completely with the above. It is a complex political situation which has led to this. In the past Pakistan could reasonably rely upon US military equipment although subject to intermittent sanctions. However now the bigger game is the containment of China by the US. This means stronger US India relations. This is also encouraged by a strengthening pro Indian lobby in the US. Long story short Pakistan can forget about American weapons. The problem is Chinese systems, although far improved from years past still lag compared to Western systems. As far as the PAF is concerned it's qualitative edge based on American platforms is no more. I encourage picking up spare F-16s when possible as it is a cost effective action to take. However, a new Western platform needs to be obtained to maintain some sort of parity with India. Chinese systems are unproven and essentially quantitative fillers. The leading edge will for the time being should be Western platforms. Obviously we don't know the financial constraints the PAF is under. I hope acquiring the Typhoon is a realistic option. The points I had made before make it a prudent tactical and strategic decision. Especially in the light of Pakistan potentially joining Turkey with TFX. A split buy of Used Tranche one and participation in TFX should be a realistic pathway for the future in addition to block three thunder development.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/spain-offers-eurofighters-to-peru-381843/

An article from a few years ago. It shows possible price of such an acquisition.
 

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Regarding the Typhoon. If the PAF is of the view that there is a possibility to procure the platform (especially second-hand Italian and Spanish units), it will try to make a move. However, we need to come to terms with the fact that while we could 'ask' for it (just as we had asked for Russian fighters recently), we can only move forward once there is a positive response. Although the PAF itself would want a level of discreteness with such a transaction, the industry wire (especially in Western Europe) will let us know of any activity heading in our direction.
Hoping for mix of new / old EFTs can open new tech availability for JFT specially EJ200 & avionics' which will make PAF more potent.

Pakistan should try to get a package deal from EU countries including weapons for all 3 services even if buying mix of new and used ones, for example package can include like this Aster15/30, ships/subs (new/used), EFTs (new/used), helicopters, sub systems and components etc. This can be financed by long term loans.
 

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