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well very summed up

Pakistan's future remains with the East and it's neighbor countries.

Russian & Iranian oil/gas has to be imported on emergency basis, and fast-track trade projects with China.

Lastly: Only way out is MERIT & Justice

Pakistan must also explain to the world that we have lost enough people, reserves fighting external wars. We need real think tanks who define roadmap, strategies. Not nepotism kids aka self-proclaimed 'OSINT specialists'. A 20-30 years policy must be defined.
Time to give all the lucrative business contracts to China and Taiwan now.

Time to petition to OIC to consider Taiwan as an integral part of China now.
 

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the 85 billion this talib (from UK) is talking about is what the amreeki version of moron khan aka dotard Trump once claimed, to prove that his exit from Afghanistan woulda been more profitable for amreeka than sleepy joe's.

the fact of the matter is that 85 billion is the total sum spent on all afghan forces including police. wages, admin, bribes and weapons during the entire period of occupation.


probly a madrassa in the UK
On top of that, 80% of that $85 billion went to American companies and contractors, directly or indirectly. Afghans only end up getting $200/month salary, which was a bargain compared to how much US would have endup spending if they have to replace all the ANA, ANSF and local contractors with American troops.

As per mussraff, Pakistan only received fraction of CSF every installment, nearly half of the announced CSF would end-up in US for so called “administrative things” even before it was disbursed . Rest you can guess what happened to $85 billion.

Some of these folk resides in their imaginary world of Lalaland. Where they are always winning.
 
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I do my research, I verify the information whether it is authentic or not (which is a challenging task in itself) and base my discussions on a principle that it is a discussion and not mud slinging back and forth.
You needs to be unbiased in your research, if your really want to achieve at a correct conclusion. Can’t cherry pick websites without the knowledge of the whole picture.

Really? Does that include UH-60 helos and Humvees also? The ANA you speak of so confidently doesn't exist anymore as they were defeated by the Mujahiddin. So all that military hardware left to the ANA was miraculously teleported back to america and britain?
It is the United States Congress that came out with the figure of $85 billion, not me. You might want to petition them for accountability to their claim.
Divide $85 billion with 20 years, you will have your answer.
 

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The USD became the world reserve currency (post 1973) once the Saudis along with the other GCC states agreed to sell their oil only in USD.

They agreed to sell oil in USD because it was the US who that agreed to extract, protect and buy oil from them. Even today, US engineers and cutting edge technology is making those well flow smoothly and making previously unrecoverable reserves recoverable.

Qatar has also signed deals with China to become a "clearing hub" for Chinese Yuan. The volume of currency at this Doha-Remnibi hub is worth ¥35 billion, similar amount to the Dubai-Remnibi hub currency swap volume. This is aside from the fact that Qatar signed a 27 year deal with China to sell it $60 billion worth of gas.
Similar deals are taking place with other countries like India and others.
Cool, we will wait till there is see a meaningfully impact. Till then we will keep investing in USD.

USD's supremacy is steadily and resolutely diminishing across the planet. With it, american dominance is also diminishing.
Not true. Dollar is getting stronger.

 
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You remember 2003 American-British invasion of Iraq which based on the lie that Saddam had WMD? Yeah that invasion happened without the authorization of the UNSC. No country had the balls to challenge America on its invasion of Iraq.
Might is right. That’s the law of the land from day one. UN is there to control weak nations. Early you realize this fact, better off your analysis will be.

Fast forward 2022, Ukraine is getting butt-whooped by Russia as the Russian military has absorbed five regions (Zaparojhe, Donestk, Lugansk, Kherson and Crimea) and no one, I repeat no one has the balls to challenge Russia in battle.
Ukraine is getting butt-whooped because its western backed puppet decided to be the cannon fodder for the NATO (just like the Pakistan). While Ukrainians are paying the price (Just like Pakistanis did during WoT), NATO is achieving its objective of turning Ukraine into Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia.
 
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America is showing itself to be a broken bull desperately trying to avoid any direct fight with Russia.
Correct except the broken part. why fight when you can hire others for cheap to do your bidding. That’s the art f war (and common sense).
 

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Twist of irony? F-35 "Lightning lls" cannot fly in weather conditions where there maybe lightning. The flight restrictions were imposed by the Pentagon since June 2020!!
The vaunted "stealth coatings" on the F-35 Lightning ll seem to peel off when the aircraft is in supersonic flight.
Don’t fall for these cosmopolitan magazines type news of the air forces. 2015 news was published that F-35 cannot dogfighting 40 year older F-16. Which was true on the surface but when was not declassified at that time that F-35 that was flying was test aircraft, was flying without its stealth capability and also had system softwares restrictions. Deception is an art of war.

Do you really think Air Force will publish actual unfixable F-35 flaws and or weaknesses for people and adversaries to Google. :drag:
 

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Might is right. That’s the law of the land from day one. UN is there to control weak nations. Early you realize this fact, better off your analysis will be.


Ukraine is getting butt-whooped because its western backed puppet decided to be the cannon fodder for the NATO (just like the Pakistan). While Ukrainians are paying the price (Just like Pakistanis did during WoT), NATO is achieving its objective of turning Ukraine into Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia.

It is amazing Pakistanis insist on the right to immigrate to EU while they deny the right to others. Ukraine wants to be a part of EU. All these cannon fodder is in your head. Afghanistan or no Afghanistan Pakistan will be the same place.

the 85 billion this talib (from UK) is talking about is what the amreeki version of moron khan aka dotard Trump once claimed, to prove that his exit from Afghanistan woulda been more profitable for amreeka than sleepy joe's.

the fact of the matter is that 85 billion is the total sum spent on all afghan forces including police. wages, admin, bribes and weapons during the entire period of occupation.


probly a madrassa in the UK

The haha was for the madrassa in UK
 

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It is amazing Pakistanis insist on the right to immigrate to EU while they deny the right to others. Ukraine wants to be a part of EU. All these cannon fodder is in your head. Afghanistan or no Afghanistan Pakistan will be the same place.
You are not making much sense. Turkey was denied EU membership multiple time. What does it has to do with someone’s immigration? At what point did Pakistan, Pakistani or even Turkey claim they have a “right” or any Pakistani denying Ukraine not to get EU members. May be learn thing or two about stuff going around Black Sea countries and Ukraine politics before making such stupid statements.

what is amazing an Indians like you, who supports and fund extremes radical govt in India all of a sudden becomes epitome of human rights in the west.
 

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Of course people have their prejudices and biases, but he isn’t entirely wrong in his analysis. So far JF -17 is used/owned by 3 countries which are using it inside their own country.

JF-17 block I and II are mediocre jets compared to what is available in the market.
JF-17 blk 1&2 are mediocre compare to what? F-16 Blk 15/25 or Eurotyphoon?

Most countries are still equipped with Mig-29, basic F-16 Blk 15, F-5E, F/A-18, F-4 phantom and Mig-21.

Then u need to look at the cost and maintenance cost.

F-22 is so expensive to maintain while spend little time in air that USAF wants to retire it.

Blk 1 and 2 in fact are much better than most aircraft mention. But many countries are waiting for Blk 3 to met future threats.
 

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You are not making much sense. Turkey was denied EU membership multiple time. What does it has to do with someone’s immigration? At what point did Pakistan, Pakistani or even Turkey claim they have a “right” or any Pakistani denying Ukraine not to get EU members. May be learn thing or two about stuff going around Black Sea countries and Ukraine politics before making such stupid statements.

what is amazing an Indians like you, who supports and fund extremes radical govt in India all of a sudden becomes epitome of human rights in the west.

You made a comment about Ukraine being a cannon fodder for USA. They (at least a large majority) are fighting for themselves. Right or wrong they want to be with the West.
It is amazing a bunch of Pakistanis and Chinese decide that they are cannon fodder for America

Do you understand what EU membership means for Ukraine ? ability of Ukraine citizens to work and to live anywhere in the EU

Do you understand how much inter-marriage is there between Russians and Ukrainian speakers ? What will happen to Putin when Ukrainians work/travel freely through the EU while Russians cannot.

What does denial of EU membership to Turkey have to do with Ukraine ? What does India have to do with this ? Those are completely different topics for discussion
 

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You made a comment about Ukraine being a cannon fodder for USA. They (at least a large majority) are fighting for themselves. Right or wrong they want to be with the West.
It is amazing a bunch of Pakistanis and Chinese decide that they are cannon fodder for America

Do you understand what EU membership means for Ukraine ? ability of Ukraine citizens to work and to live anywhere in the EU

Do you understand how much inter-marriage is there between Russians and Ukrainian speakers ? What will happen to Putin when Ukrainians work/travel freely through the EU while Russians cannot.

What does denial of EU membership to Turkey have to do with Ukraine ? What does India have to do with this ? Those are completely different topics for discussion
Look mate, JF-17 is thousands times better than that shit known as Tejas which is a failure.
 

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F-16 says hi.

Because if you look at the actual title of the article in the OP you can see a very important word was truncated by the OP.


China and Pakistan's JF-17 may soon be the most widely operated Chinese combat aircraft around the world​


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