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A few Siachen facts and bluffs!

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  1. toxic_pus

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    You do realise that the map par Karachi Agreement doesn't have any currency anymore. Shimla Agreement supersedes Karachi and Google draws boundary on the basis of Shimla Agreement.

    Please tell me you knew that all along but still engaged in this spirited, but futile exercise just because you have plenty of time on hand.
     
  2. Hindustani78

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    Wait, you want to say that as per Karachi Agreement the so called CFL which, as assumed by Indians extended beyond NJ 9842, was to be demarcated on ground, after the agreement?


    My entire focus (for now -including the other thread i opened) is to educated you and your fellow Indians that as per Karachi and Simla Agreement, Siachen did not belong to India as you people have been trying to prove since you gain puberty. Which in fact i did. Simple.

    You want to discuss the ground positions as of today, how the CFL alignment changed when you (illegally) occupied Siachen and during subsequent wars, be my guest and open a new thread. This thread's topic says: A few Siachen facts and bluffs! whereby the OP (unsuccessfully) tried to prove that somehow Siachen was part of India since the dawn of days. Sorry, sir it was not. And that's what i am replying to (and proved) ever since i entered this thread.

    So, keeping in view your desire of discussing the ground position as of today, if you have agreed that Siachen was not your part, we can always move ahead.
     
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    @Xeric

    We are ready to withdraw from Siachen PROVIDED Pakistan
    is ready to Authenticate ; delineate and demarcate the AGPL

    Why is Pakistan unwilling to do so

    Whether the LOC should go north or East does not matter is a matter of arguement

    Sir you are right that Siachen belonged to nobody after the Shimla agreement

    It was a case of who gets there first

    SO what started the problem ?

    It was when Pakistan used the US Defence Agency maps started extending the LOC Eastwards
    like you claim now

    If we had not occupied it ; you would have occupied it

    And with the Chinese angle involved the Situation has become messier
     
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    No big deal. They can even prove a circle is actually a square!

    No point arguing. Logic is alien to them. Just move on.......
     
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    With all this effort, you never answered why it should end at nj and not at china border. Karachi agreement was to demarcate the boundary and not to let any undefined area. Aso it is clear that since the area was not accessible at that time, they defined a straight line to north till china and detail demarcation was carried out till nj (which was accessible) rest left to future, to be carried out based on actual terrain. This is pretty basic inference you can get from the agreement. In any case, how pak can claim from nj to karacoram is beyond me.
     
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    And you guys were hibernating till 1984:sleep:

    All these excuses came in your minds after 1984.
     
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    Our territory, we can hybernate or sleep forever, not your business. You weren't active either, just saying.
     
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    It is your ignorance.

    Check the last part of post#264 to see how much active we were and no one protested. The whole world knew that it was our's.
     
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    Lol.... we were exploring the area since 1956. Excuse us for doing some good things in rest of the nation and not observing you sneaking in earlier. Whe we became aware of your nefarious intentions, the protest we did still haunts you..
     
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    Just one small team to measure length of glacier, that's all what you did, on the other hand we were giving visas to tourists and mountaineers, the world maps and atlases showed it as Pakistani territory and that is why any foreigner who wanted to visit that area asked for Pakistani permission. No one bothered Indians.
    No one sneaked in, foreigners were given visas and we openly behaved like owners of that territory.
    Protest or sneaking in?
     
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    in short kabza sachha jhagraa jhoota
     
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    Protest at you sneaking in...
     
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    When?
     
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    op meghadoot...