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A-10 Warthog survives assassination attempt by Pentagon

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    For how long? One more year?
     
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    structurally the planes can last to 2035
    great they didn't kill the hog. so many other useless programs they should ax instead :p:
     
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    hard to imagine how the f 35 will ever be able to replace the warthog in a CAS role, the lightning isn't quite the flying tank the hog is in terms of how much damage it'll take and still fly, or is it ?
     
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    The role for the a10 is being replaced by the C130's. The ghostrider program is the future for close air support. The only problem is the number of platforms are too large to write off the A10. 700 vs the odd 10-12 c130's.
     
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    C 130 gunship cant replace A -10. It is very large, very less manoeuvrable and has very smalll chance of surviaval if it faces encounter with enemy SAMs, AWACS killers or fighter jets.

    A-10 is small, manoeuvrable and heavily armoured, perfcet for CAS role.

    C-130 is good if enemy air defesnes have been supressed, otherwise it wil face problems.
     
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    CAS is taken when air superiority has been achieved. Or such is the case in 2014. Therefore if air is not safe from enemy missiles both those planes are sitting ducks. The A10 is a sitting duck at a lower altitude in range of shoulder fired missiles, anti aircraft and AC130 flying at 28000 feet in range of long range SAM's and other aircraft. You can make the distinction of future battlefield threats as to which aircraft would be safer if you had to choose. The US is choosing the higher ceiling, more loitering, huge arsenal, dedicated hunting day and night equipment, out of sight option because of the enemies they will face in future battles.



    America’s Toughest, Ugliest Warplane Is Going Back Into Battle

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    For more than 30 years, the A-10 Thunderbolt II—better known as the Warthog because it’s so ugly—has performed a crucial role: attacking hostile targets that threaten troops on the ground, a task called close air support. The plane, designed for the Cold War, is old. It’s slow. And it’s about as sophisticated as a hammer. But it is heavily armored and wickedly armed, making it a ruthlessly effective weapon. And that is why, despite ongoing efforts by Defense Department brass to kill it, the Warthog is headed back into battle to help in the fight against ISIS.
    An undisclosed number of Warthogs, part of the “Blacksnakes” 163rd Expeditionary Fighter Squadron based at Fort Wayne, Indiana, have been deployed to Middle Eastern airbases to provide air cover to troops fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria.
    That makes the A-10 something of a zombie—it refuses to die. The Air Force wants to scuttle the 238 A-10s still in service, a move that would save $3.7 billion over five years—and make way for more sophisticated planes like the new F-35 Lightning II. But given the crucial role it plays providing close air support, something particularly helpful against enemies in a place like Iraq, the A-10 has many staunch defenders, including Senator John McCain.
    Close air support is a vital job that, when properly executed, can mean the difference between life and death for soldiers. It’s highly dangerous, because it requires flying at altitudes low enough to discern friend from foe, leaving the plane particularly vulnerable to ground-based anti-aircraft fire. The A-10, little more than a flying tank, is perfectly suited to the task and beloved by pilots and troops alike.
    “It’s a game-changer,” Gen. John F. Campbell, the Army’s vice chief of staff, told The Washington Post earlier this year. “It’s ugly. It’s loud, but when it comes in and you hear that pffffff [of the cannon], it just makes a difference.” Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called it “the ugliest, most beautiful aircraft on the planet.”
    What makes the plane’s continued relevance so impressive is the fact it was designed more than 40 years ago, and a new one hasn’t been built since 1984.

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    That durability and flexibility makes the plane, which was first flown in 1972 and deployed in late 1976, a pilot favorite. It proved its mettle during the 1991 Persian Gulf War, when it was largely responsible for neutralizing much of Iraq’s artillery, tanks and missile defenses. And its exploits are damn near legendary.
    In one famous A-10 incident, Air Force Capt. Kim Campbell was sent to defend Army troops in the early days of the Iraq War in 2003. After firing on Iraqi Republican Guard troops, Campbell took an epic amount of enemy fire. Both hydraulic systems failed, forcing the pilot to switch to “manual reversion,” a mechanical backup that allows limited flight capability. Campbell kept flying for more than hour, safely returning to Kuwait despite being riddled with hundreds of bullet holes and a massive hole in the right horizontal stabilizer.
    You’d think the Air Force would want to keep the A-10 around, and Underwood concedes “it’s a very effective system,” but time is taking its toll.
    “It’s getting older and more expensive to maintain, and that’s the problem,” he says.
    Pentagon brass, including outgoing Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, would like to retire the jet by 2019. But the A-10 has key supporters in Congress, including McCain and New Hampshire Senator Kelly Ayotte (whose husband Joe flew the A-10 in Iraq). They argue there simply isn’t yet an adequate replacement. Not so, say those calling for the A-10’s retirement. The F-35 isn’t quite ready for battle, but they insist planes like the F-16 and the F-15E are up to the task.
    That may be, but nothing elicits the same admiration for the Warthog, which is so ugly as to be beautiful, a machine designed to take no end of punishment even as it punishes those stand in its way. “Its ugliness makes it endearing,” Underwood says.
    Unless you’re on the receiving end of that 30mm cannon.

    America's Toughest, Ugliest Warplane Is Going Back Into Battle | WIRED

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