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95% of IT “Engineers” in India Incapable, New Report Reveals

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  1. TruthTheOnlyDefense

    TruthTheOnlyDefense SENIOR MEMBER

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    A new report by Aspiring Minds, the world’s largest employability assessment company, has revealed that over 95 percent of all IT “engineers” in India are incapable of basic programming—shattering the myth of Indian “IT expertise” and destroying the controlled media’s often-repeated claim that engineers from that country are urgently needed to “boost the skill sets of Europe and America.”

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    According to the study, titled “National Programming Skills Report,” only 4.77 percent of Indian IT engineers can write the correct logic for a program—a minimum requirement for any programming job.


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    Aspiring minds is world-famous for helping organizations, governments and institutions measure and identify talent. Their client base includes Sapient, Coca Cola, GE, Amazon, Genpact, Bank of America, CITI bank, HCL, Wipro, Tata Motors, Du Pont, Daimler, and Hyundai.

    Their latest report on India’s IT skill levels is also featured as a front cover news story in Dataquest, India’s leading technology magazine in its April 2018 edition.

    Over 36,000 engineering students from IT related branches of over 500 colleges took a test developed by Aspiring Minds called Automata, which is the world’s smartest programming assessment that evaluates coding ability of candidates. Using simulated environment for C, C++, C#, Java, PHP, Python, SQL and over a dozen languages, Automata is the only tool to leverage advanced Machine Learning technology to evaluate code.

    According to the report’s executive summary:

    Only 1.4 percent of Indian IT engineers can write functionally correct & efficient code.

    * More than 60 percent of candidates cannot even write code that compiles.

    * Only 4.77 percent candidates can write the correct logic for a program, a minimum requirement for any programming job.

    * Programming skills is five times poorer for third tier colleges as compared to tier 1 colleges.

    The key findings of the study are listed as follows:

    – “Only 36% engineers are able to write compilable code . . . Unfortunately, we find that out of the 2 problems given per candidate, only 14% engineers are able to write compilable codes for both and only 22% write compilable code for exactly one problem. To sustain the growth of IT industry, we need candidates with high technology caliber and better programming skills.”

    – “Lack of adequate knowledge to build a logically correct, maintainable code is the key reason for low employability.

    – “As low as 2.21% engineers possess the skill to write a fully functional code with best efficiency and writing practices Functionally correct code is the basic requisite of a good programmer . . . The analysis unveils that only 2.21% engineers possess the skillset to write logically correct code with best efficiency & least time-space complexity.”

    – “Programming Practices and Programming Ability are the areas of maximum skill gap across demographics . . . Programming Practices is the ability to code in readable & maintainable fashion and Programming Ability is the ability to code in most optimized way.”

    The report also found that although Indian males perform terribly at IT skills, Indian females were even worse. Under the section of the report titled “Programming Skill Gender Comparison,” the following summary is found:

    “[Skill level] A4: Functionally and logically correct code: Male 3.16 %; Female 0.71%”

    “[Skill level] A3: Functionally correct code with few anomalies: Male 3.48%; Female 1.10%”

    “[Skill level] A2: Functionally incorrect code: Male 36.15%; Female 22.93%”

    “[Skill level] A1: Syntax Error: Male 57.21%, Female 75.25%.”

    The report concludes that “Only 25% of [Indian] females are able to write a compilable code and less than 1% can write logically & functionally correct code.”

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    The report undermines the oft-repeated claim in the controlled media that India is an “IT giant” and that engineers from that country are urgently needed to “boost the skill sets of Europe and America.”

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  2. casual

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    Article not clear on who is tested. It says engineering students which is pretty broad. Also not sure about the difficulty of the problem
     
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    My sincere advice , don't try to take help from stupid companies like
    Aspiring minds to get employed. They don't know jack shit.
     
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    Copy pasting code is not "IT or Software Engineering".
     
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    Our enemies should be glad that 95% are incapable of basic programing.
    With just 5% capable we are able to have 100 billion plus market. If only 50% of rest will become capable we will hit trillion$ in the segment.

    Need to understand whats basic programing?
    if they are reffering to GWBasic, then it might be 20yr old programing language and people might not able to remember its syntax.
     
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    True. RajPoty7 is a proof of that.
     
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    I work with all kind of nationality and respect them without any race discrimination but Most often, I encounter Indian developers don’t have the quality when compared to their counterparts in western countries. Development teams in western countries often blame their offshore counterparts for slowing them down. It has been said that Indians are not technically competent, write poor code, don’t give any suggestions to solve problems but keep them talk bullshit all day on howto looks good and have a fake innocent smile all the time and best in Lobby against Pakistani strong quality developer to get rid of him/her.
     
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    How about Chinese coders?
     
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    Does this have anything to do with us???

    OK, UC browser, Wechat, Alibaba, Tik Tok in India... Check it.
     
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    xyx007 FULL MEMBER

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    In recent years, the Chinese authorities have been focusing on rebalancing its economy towards domestic consumption and services sector. This has led to contribution from its service sector jump , Their local delevoper developed WeChat , Alibaba etc shows the way to social media's future ... It is the best example yet of how China is shaping the future of the mobile internet .
     
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    Just curious, exactly how much were you paying to these Indian developers compared to their "their counterparts in western countries"? Did it reach the 1/10th mark?

    Don't hate us buddy. You got crappy code because you paid for crappy code. Perhaps that's all you could afford? Pay more to hire better coders and stop complaining.
     
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    oh bbboy, this article is just tip of the ice berg. you have NO idea how many pink-slips and security escort outs I have had to call in on indians who can't even write a simple hello world code. like, they are LITERALLY, rattafication machines who would thoroughly impress you during a verbal interview but when you put them in front of a machine and give them their first task, they look at you with a blank "dear caught in head lights" stare in their eyes! We made up our mind and started giving them white board solving problems to write out...and true to the article, 95% bomb out right there.

    it has become a common occurrence in my company where even though we block out at minimum 3 hours for an interview, when it begins the very first interviewer comes out after 5 minutes and tells me to cancel the rest as this guy is worthless.

    don't count your eggs before they hatch...almost all of that 100 billion comes from outsourcing to big western companies like microsoft, google, sap and oracle. and over the last few years, there has been a huge spike in local american (and european) computer science graduates which is reducing the need for indian so called "engineers" and "developers". I'm a senior manager in a big corporation just like the ones I just mentioned and truth be told, I have seen more american graduates getting hired than indians which is a 180 degree opposite of what it was merely 5 years ago. those 5% too may end up unemployed.

    but don't feel too bad, they can always sell that south indian "fried banana" delicacy. ;)
     
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    Im in the software industry as well. Some people regard IT as answering the phone and say "This is Dell. May I help you?"

    Of course you do not want these people checking in code. I wonder if our Indian friends can help us on how they pick H1B candidates. Do they just bend over and grab one out of their behind?
     
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  14. GumNaam

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    vast majority of h1b v visas are from crooked contractor companies, they send 1 project manager with like 4 or 5 "supposed" engineers while paying them a miserably low salary. the work is quietly sent back to india where there are a 100 developers sweating bullets on writing a simple loop that would print "hello world" 10 times...

    and I'm not trolling...this is LITERALLY what their game is, no wonder trump has cracked down on all indian contractors.
     
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    I guess answering phones doesnt make good programmers.
     
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