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4+1 of Russia, Syria, Iran, and Iraq, plus Hezbollah. The new alliance hits ISIS with Air strikes.

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    It seems the Syrian government has given its full consent for these attacks against terrorist targets in Syria, which proves the unity of the 4+1 of Russia, Syria, Iran, and Iraq, plus Hezbollah, says political writer and journalist Dan Glazebrook.

    RT: Are you surprised by Iraq's move?

    DG: The reports that I’ve seen have suggested that the Syrian government has given its full approval, consent and cooperation for these attacks, which would not be surprising if that does turn out to be the case. Because we’ve seen increasingly over the last few years development of the alliance between what’s sometimes called the 4+1 of Russia, Syria, Iran, and Iraq, plus Hezbollah in trying to defeat the NATO-backed death squads that have been operating in Syria and subsequently in Iraq. It will be no surprise if the Syrian government had okayed this. And this is just another development of the unity between these various forces in trying to scupper the West’s regime change plans in Syria and overall destabilization strategy for the entire region.

    At the same time, the whole politics and the alliance system in that area is in flux. We’ve seen Turkey moving from being the number one proxy of NATO in its war against Syria, to this rapprochement with Russia to the extent where now Turkish-backed forces and Turkish soldiers are at war with their previous proxies of ISIS [Islamic State, formerly ISIL] within Syria. So, all of these alliances are in flux. Of course, the US will be working overtime to sabotage the developing alliance between Russia, Iran, Iraq, and Syria, as far as it can. We’ve already seen elements of that with Trump, on the one hand spitting invectives against Iran, ramping up the aggressive hostile rhetoric, with perhaps moves even towards an attack on Iran, whilst at the same time flattering Russia, Putin, and so on, in an attempt to divide those parties and ultimately buy Russian acquiescence for any future US or Israeli attack on Iran... The US will try to pursue its own interests and pull Iraq away from that alliance or use whatever leverages it has with the Iraqi government to try to sow divisions within that developing alliance. But my suspicion is, that this has been done with Syrian cooperation and this is further evidence of this developing unity between Russia, Iran, Iraq, and Syria.

    RT: If they carried out these airstrikes independently, does that mean that would be a direct violation of international law and Syrian sovereignty?

    DG: I don’t think it is too helpful to speculate at this point on what it would mean if some unproven eventuality turned out to be the case. I don’t think we should be feeding into any US attempts to sow division within the ranks of these countries before we know the full story. We do know who is violating Syrian sovereignty right now with their unapproved airstrikes, and that is the US and Britain and their allies. Personally, I don’t think we should feed into any divisive rhetoric about divisions between Syria, Iraq, and so on. I don’t think that is helpful at this stage.

    John Wight, political analyst

    RT: What do you make of Baghdad carrying out airstrikes on Syrian soil?

    John Wight: At first, I was very worried that these airstrikes had been carried out without the coordination of the Syrian government in Damascus. Since then, however, we hear that such coordination did take place. So, these airstrikes are eminently welcome. They are also significant in terms of drawing both Baghdad and Damascus closer; both countries share a common border and a common enemy in the shape of ISIS. The great and ponderable at this stage is the extent to which Washington had foreknowledge of these airstrikes. It seems lately that they did, given that the US is working closely with the Iraqis in the battle of Mosul, which is ongoing. This gives us cause to speculate whether we are seeing the first evidence of a shift in US policy towards the conflict in Syria and the region under the Trump administration. You recall that Trump, throughout his election campaign and since, has said that he is pledged to defeating ISIS, and, in this regard, he intends to join forces with those who’re already engaged in that struggle. This, of course, is a logical step to take. So yes, a very, very welcome development, and it gives rise to the possibility that we’re seeing a shift in American policy towards the conflict.

    RT: So, the US is said to be mulling over sending troops to fight against ISIS. Does that have the potential to change the situation on the ground?

    JW: As I said, the Americans are embedded with Iraqi forces in the context of the ongoing battle to liberate Mosul. American intelligence have a significant presence in Iraq, as they do throughout the region. So, it seems unlikely that they had no foreknowledge. If they did have no foreknowledge, then this of course is significant in the context of the Iraqis asserting themselves and being able to forge such an alliance with their Syrian counterparts. Either way, it is a welcome development given that the Syrians were involved, they gave their consent, and there was a level of coordination. As you say, it has not been confirmed, but most reports are now coming out with this. We’ve heard reports that sources close to the Syrian Foreign Ministry have confirmed that these were coordinated airstrikes. In this regard, this can only be welcomed by everyone who is interested in seeing ISIS defeated and crushed in the region.

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/378598-iraq-syria-mosul-us/
     
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    US was also informed of the strike before it was conducted, according to pentagon
     
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    Hmm so Trump has started to change policy good. How about NATO were they happy with the strikes?
     
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    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-strike-usa-idUSKBN163231


    The United States provided intelligence to Iraq for air strikes it conducted inside Syria in retaliation for recent bomb attacks in Baghdad, the Pentagon said on Friday.

    "It is a good strike, it is a valid strike, it was a strike against ISIS targets," Davis said, using an acronym for Islamic State.
     
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    Well then this is good news that US is really fighting the ISIS and not just pushing it away.
     
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    it is high time for everyone to sit together to hunt ISIS once and for all .. first things first , Russia , USA , KSA , Iran can fight later ..
     
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    Mop up operation left now. Both Mosul and Aleppo have been captured by Iran and its allies. The U.S. and it's proxies have been handed yet another defeat.
     
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    Iraqi's are backed by Iran, not the U.S., in case you were wondering.

    Stop watching & quoting msm news. Listen to your president. He just banned two msm propaganda news outlets yesterday!

     
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    So Iraq used Iranian F16 planes to attack ISIS in Syria?:cuckoo:
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    Maybe you should not listen to your propaganda news outlets.
     
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    FYI, the entire Iraqi army is Iran backed and created. The Iraqi army reports to the commander of the Quds forces major Gen Solemani of the IRGC. Iran has created the Popular mobilization Forces and Shia militias in both Syria and Iraq. They use Iranian equipment now as standard. Google the PMF and Iraqi Hezbollah. Iraq is effectively controlled by Iran for the last decade or so. The presence of a few hundred U.S. advisors is cosmetic and tolerated by Iran, for the time being.

    Majority of the airstrikes conducted by the Iraqi AF use ex IRGC AF Su-25 frog foots and the new Mil-35 and Mil-28NE gunships supplied by Russia. Look up on You tube. The 4 operational F-16's out of 9 delivered to the IrAF are basically hangar queens.

    The Iraqi army and PMF don't rely on airpower to attack Daesh. They use the good old asymmetric tactics of close quarters/ house to house combat or encircle, lay seige and pummel the cities with IRGC supplied massive rockets, guided missiles and artillery fire. Air power is useless in urban warfare.

     
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    Yes, they do have other aircraft obviously but even PressTV is reporting the Iraqis are using F16's in Mosul:

    Iraqi forces make territorial gains against Daesh around Mosul

    http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/02/19/511221/Iraqi-forces-Mosul

    Iraqi government forces, backed by volunteer fighters from Popular Mobilization Units, have made new territorial gains on the outskirts of the city of Mosul as they have launched a new phase of joint operations to flush Daesh Takfiri terrorists out of their last urban stronghold in the Arab country.

    Commander of Nineveh Liberation Operation Lieutenant General Abdul Amir Yarallah said on Sunday that security personnel had regained control over Kantirah and Abyadh villages south of Albu Seif village on the outskirts of Mosul, located some 400 kilometers north of the capital, Baghdad, hoisting the national flag over several buildings there.

    The Iraqi military commander added that government forces had inflicted heavy losses on Daesh ranks and military equipment during the operation.

    Earlier, pro-government fighters from Popular Mobilization Units, better known by the Arabic name Hashd al-Sha’abi, had established complete control over Burnt Hills near Bakhirah village in the western suburb of Mosul.

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    Members of Iraqi forces, supported by pro-government Hashd al-Sha’abi fighters, prepare to advance toward the village of Sheikh Younis, south of Mosul, after the offensive to retake the western side of Mosul from Daesh terrorists began on February 19, 2017. (Photo by AFP)
    Iraq’s Joint Operations Command (JOC) also announced that federal police forces had retaken the villages of al-Kafour, al-Jamasah and al-Bajwari and regained control over a section of the road linking New Mosul district to Baghdad.

    Lieutenant General Yarallah said in a statement that Iraqi forces had liberated the villages of Azbah and al-Lazzakah from the grip of Daesh. Iraqi government forces have also recaptured a major power plant in Lazzakah district.

    The Iraqi Defense Ministry, in a statement released on Sunday, said scores of Daesh terrorists were killed as Iraqi F-16 fighter jets launched precision strikes against a number of militant hideouts in the western flank of Mosul.

    The ministry also published video footage that showed several Daesh positions being struck in the area.

    Late in January, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi declared the liberation of the eastern side of Mosul, after more than 100 days of fighting against Daesh.

    350,000 children trapped in western Mosul: Charity

    An estimated 350,000 children are trapped in the western part of Mosul as Iraqi forces and their allies launch a fresh offensive on Daesh in the strategic city, Save the Children has warned.

    Save the Children's Iraq Country Director Maurizio Crivallero said on Sunday that escape was not an option for most families, who would have to risk summary execution by Daesh militants, sniper fire and landmines, but they are also running out of food, water and medicine.

    "This is the grim choice for children in western Mosul right now: bombs, crossfire and hunger if they stay, or execution and snipers if they try to run,” Crivallero said, adding, “Safe escape routes for civilians must also be established as soon as possible.”

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    Displaced Iraqi children queue up to be checked by a medical team during a visit to al-Agha camp, where Iraqi families from the nearby villages of Tal Afar, southwest of Mosul, are taking shelter as Iraqi forces continue their military operation to recapture Mosul from Daesh terrorists, February 16, 2017. (Photo by AFP)
    Mosul, Iraq’s second largest city, fell into the hands of Daesh terrorists in the summer of 2014.

    Iraqi army soldiers, supported by Hashd al-Sha’abi fighters and Kurdish Peshmerga forces, launched a joint operation on October 17, 2016 to retake Mosul from Daesh.

    Suspected Daesh bombings leave five dead in eastern Mosul

    In another development, five people, including three Iraqi soldiers, lost their lives on Sunday, when bomb explosions ripped through two districts recently retaken from Daesh in eastern Mosul.

    Security sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the first attack occurred when an assailant blew up his explosive vest at an army checkpoint in Mosul’s eastern neighborhood of Nabi Younis, leaving three soldiers killed and several others wounded.

    Another blast was carried out when an attacker detonated his explosive vest near a popular restaurant at a commercial area, known as My Fair Lady, in the al-Zuhour neighborhood of eastern Mosul. The blast left two civilians dead and several others wounded.

    The bombings came as Iraq's prime minister announced earlier on Sunday the start of a new phase of a major offensive to free the western side of Mosul from Daesh terrorists.

    “We announce the start of a new phase in the operation to liberate the western side of Mosul [known as We Are Coming Nineveh]. Our main task is to liberate the people before liberating the land,” Abadi said in a brief televised address.
     
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    Ok, Iran has no influence in Iraq, if that is what makes you happy. Everything is U.S. backed and U.S. driven. Iran has zero influence in that country. :-) Let's hate Iran and bomb it to hell............yeah........? right......?
    And the 4 operational F-16's single handedly resulted in Mosul's capture...........!!!!!
    Damn I never realized that.....stupid me...........:frown:
     
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    :cuckoo: What are you talking about? I never said that???

    :cuckoo: Again what are you talking about? I never said that???


    Please reread YOUR 2 quotes below again (which is only what I was commenting on) about the US not supporting the Iraqi army and suffering a defeat in Mosul.

    YOU are the one saying the US is against Iraq

    :cheers: Exactly! That's what I have been spending the last few posts pointing out to you...but to little avail. The US government is backing Iraq in fighting ISIS in Mosul.
     
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    Hamartia antidote, has it ever occurred to you that maybe, perhaps, Iraq doesn't need U.S. help at all......?