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30 years since the abolition of the "Lavi": When he died, he ordered us the Israeli high-tech
How was Lavi born and who killed him? What was so important about constructing a fighter jet ourselves? "Captain" explains what role played international politics in the story and why we should all say thank you that the project was eliminated
Nitzan Sadan
The Lavi Project




Hello, here is the captain; This week marked the 30th anniversary of the cancellation of the Lavi aircraft project, which in 1987 caused political, national and political outrage, and justified resentment due to a wave of layoffs at IAI.


The former "captain"
Mosquito: The Flying Piano that became James Bond with wings
Sister Wright, or: that's how the cruise missile and the UAV were invented
The planes are also flying this way; Why should a pilot in a passenger plane?


But in practice, the State of Israel owes a lot to this plane, precisely because its development has been canceled. In fact, without it we might not have become the Silicon Valley of the Middle East - and favored clients in the defense sector of the world's strongest superpower.

From the spear to the museum. The Lavi plane from the spearhead to the museum. Halabi Photo: Math Knight



Every country in the world fantasizes about the production of a fighter jet, even though it is a costly and complicated challenge; It is a product that reduces dependence on foreign countries, pushes the economy because of the need for thousands of jobs, creates advanced technical knowledge that is translated into new products and services and if the plane is intended for export.

Self-development of a fighter aircraft is also a perfect solution to security needs: the more the country has long and continuous experience in wars, the more specific fighter aircraft requirements will be - while foreign aircraft manufacturers are trying to meet general requirements. Manufacturers know very well that F16 is not an iPhone, it's not that everyone buys and downloads the apps they need; A specific purpose of general design for a specific army costs a lot of money, which goes into the manufacturer's pocket.
States that develop airplanes were an exclusive club in the 1980s; In the same decade there were only seven countries in the world that produced a fighter jet from scratch (as opposed to a plane based on existing design, from foreign production); And Israel wanted to enter this club.

Commander Amos Lapidot and Prime Minister Shimon Peres are impressed by the plane, 1985 Commander Amos Lapidot and Prime Minister Shimon Peres are impressed by the plane, 1985


The idea was born after the Six Day War, when France imposed an embargo on arms sales to Israel. The IDF needed new planes. After completing the development of the Eagle plane - a version of the Mirage 5 - it was decided to invent an independent plane.

The project was called "Modern" and centered on a superior air superiority aircraft called "Aryeh" with a long range, unmatched performance and primary technologies such as digital flight control and smart pilot helmet. In addition, they wanted to give him a large bubble canopy, electronic warfare capabilities and even basic evasion.

When Israel offered French industry to participate in the project, the idea was rejected out of hand; "Such an airplane is simply impossible," the French said, and the development continued in Israel without outside assistance. In the 1970s a solution emerged, in the form of the F-15 planes that the US agreed to sell to Israel, and the IDF received the best air superiority aircraft in the world, but still needed an advanced fighter jet. So it was decided to take all the technologies of the lion and push them into a small, faster and cheaper airplane: The Lavi project was born.

"lion"? No thanks, take F15 instead of "Lion"? No thanks, we'll take the F15 instead of the Defense Defense Media Network


In February 1980, the Knesset approved the project. It was designed to produce a cheap, multi-tasking and technology-rich tool, "small and smart," like the IDF itself, and the aircraft's performance was supposed to be better than the American F16, its step brother (from whom he asked design elements) And the project was an unprecedented challenge to the Jewish leader.

Why? Because the production of fighter jets is a wild technical challenge: think of a product that is not intended to be resistant to potential damage, but is exposed to certain damage; As soon as the plane reaches its work area on the ground, they will try to knock it down and disrupt its mission in any way. Opposite him are not only enemy planes, but antiaircraft systems, intelligence, electronic warfare, and the discovery of the other side.

The Lavi body, during the construction of its first mop-up of the Lavi body, during the construction of its first mop-up


The final product includes mass masses of electronic components that need to be reliable, durable, easy to repair and more. Despite automation technologies, much of the production and installation are done manually - which requires a mass of employees, sub-contractors and performance evaluation and quality control bodies. They have to be trained and paid. Therefore, building a fighter jet is more like building luxury cars than Rolls-Royce than building ships or passenger planes.

The IAI, in its place, was able to meet this challenge and to design an excellent fighter jet, probably the best in the category. The prototypes demonstrated very impressive abilities, and Israel was happy and proud of the small, sinister plane. The United States agreed to participate in funding the project, but behind the scenes her fists snapped. why? Because the United States does not indulge in countries that develop fighter jets; In fact, it is the world's biggest wingshooter.


What do the Americans have against him? What do the Americans have against him?


The United States is a world tyrant in the field: in 1959 it exerted a wild press to abolish the development of the Canadian Arrow, which surpassed everything in the US; In 1965 it did the same to the British TSR, and there are a few other similar cases. No country that has a shadow in its shadow will dare to create competition. No country will invent a rival plane instead of buying it, especially the creative guys between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.

As a state of patronage, Israel depends on the interests of the patron: for example, to generate revenue for the American aerospace industry. The F16 was designed, among other things, for export purposes and the State of Israel played a significant role in this: In the Six Day War, our pilots performed wonders on French Mirage planes, causing a wild surge in their sales. During the Yom Kippur War, the phantom and the American Skyhawks were added to the picture
Yam, which again prompted the orders. The State of Israel was simply an ongoing campaign for military aircraft. In the flight test, General Dynamics, the maker of the F16, did not intend to give up this chance and turned to power. Uncle Sam suggested that Israel buy the American grocery instead of getting into a mess of self-production. It was clear to all concerned that this was a proposal that could not be refused, in the most "godfather" sense of the word. And the rush was not long in coming: the Lavi project was becoming more expensive, which would affect the price of the final plane. This created the Israel Air Force to announce that it would equip half of the originally ordered planes 75 instead of 150. Israel created a great airplane that simply does not pay for it. Meanwhile, an American hand rests on its shoulder. There are those who claim that the project was made more expensive because it was infected with Israeli politics because it contributed to the image of the Likud party. In the end, the Israeli government announced on August 30, 1987, that the ambitious project was null and void. Instead of the Lavi, Israel received dozens of F-16s, which proved themselves to be excellent acquisitions. Technologies developed for Lavi found their way to other Air Force planes, including the improved Phantom, the Kfir C7, the Cobra helicopters, and others. He was impressive in his life, but he did his best. Halabi was impressive in his life, but he was successful in his death. Halva Photo: Bukvoed Personally, I'm glad Lavi was canceled. And not because of the costs it would have caused or the crisis that would have broken out with the US I'm glad that IAI closed the switch, there are thousands of employees in Israel who specialize in one of the most complex industrial areas in the world, they knew how to design and design chips and sensors, To work at zero budgets and crazy job seekers, and they were looking for a new job, and I was happy because their knowledge was not lost, some of them found work in the American technology industry and made good progress because of their experience, others joined the first high-tech projects here in Israel, To a certain extent, the silver tray on which the silo rose And the Israeli brilliance still exists in the aerospace industry, in many areas such as unmanned aircraft, and now the tables are reversed and the Americans are the ones who buy Israeli technology, Such as Waze, Mobilay and others, but we still buy fighter jets from the tough uncle from America.
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30 years since the abolition of the "Lavi": When he died, he ordered us the Israeli high-tech
How was Lavi born and who killed him? What was so important about constructing a fighter jet ourselves? "Captain" explains what role played international politics in the story and why we should all say thank you that the project was eliminated
Nitzan Sadan
The Lavi Project




Hello, here is the captain; This week marked the 30th anniversary of the cancellation of the Lavi aircraft project, which in 1987 caused political, national and political outrage, and justified resentment due to a wave of layoffs at IAI.


The former "captain"
Mosquito: The Flying Piano that became James Bond with wings
Sister Wright, or: that's how the cruise missile and the UAV were invented
The planes are also flying this way; Why should a pilot in a passenger plane?


But in practice, the State of Israel owes a lot to this plane, precisely because its development has been canceled. In fact, without it we might not have become the Silicon Valley of the Middle East - and favored clients in the defense sector of the world's strongest superpower.

From the spear to the museum. The Lavi plane from the spearhead to the museum. Halabi Photo: Math Knight



Every country in the world fantasizes about the production of a fighter jet, even though it is a costly and complicated challenge; It is a product that reduces dependence on foreign countries, pushes the economy because of the need for thousands of jobs, creates advanced technical knowledge that is translated into new products and services and if the plane is intended for export.

Self-development of a fighter aircraft is also a perfect solution to security needs: the more the country has long and continuous experience in wars, the more specific fighter aircraft requirements will be - while foreign aircraft manufacturers are trying to meet general requirements. Manufacturers know very well that F16 is not an iPhone, it's not that everyone buys and downloads the apps they need; A specific purpose of general design for a specific army costs a lot of money, which goes into the manufacturer's pocket.
States that develop airplanes were an exclusive club in the 1980s; In the same decade there were only seven countries in the world that produced a fighter jet from scratch (as opposed to a plane based on existing design, from foreign production); And Israel wanted to enter this club.

Commander Amos Lapidot and Prime Minister Shimon Peres are impressed by the plane, 1985 Commander Amos Lapidot and Prime Minister Shimon Peres are impressed by the plane, 1985


The idea was born after the Six Day War, when France imposed an embargo on arms sales to Israel. The IDF needed new planes. After completing the development of the Eagle plane - a version of the Mirage 5 - it was decided to invent an independent plane.

The project was called "Modern" and centered on a superior air superiority aircraft called "Aryeh" with a long range, unmatched performance and primary technologies such as digital flight control and smart pilot helmet. In addition, they wanted to give him a large bubble canopy, electronic warfare capabilities and even basic evasion.

When Israel offered French industry to participate in the project, the idea was rejected out of hand; "Such an airplane is simply impossible," the French said, and the development continued in Israel without outside assistance. In the 1970s a solution emerged, in the form of the F-15 planes that the US agreed to sell to Israel, and the IDF received the best air superiority aircraft in the world, but still needed an advanced fighter jet. So it was decided to take all the technologies of the lion and push them into a small, faster and cheaper airplane: The Lavi project was born.

"lion"? No thanks, take F15 instead of "Lion"? No thanks, we'll take the F15 instead of the Defense Defense Media Network


In February 1980, the Knesset approved the project. It was designed to produce a cheap, multi-tasking and technology-rich tool, "small and smart," like the IDF itself, and the aircraft's performance was supposed to be better than the American F16, its step brother (from whom he asked design elements) And the project was an unprecedented challenge to the Jewish leader.

Why? Because the production of fighter jets is a wild technical challenge: think of a product that is not intended to be resistant to potential damage, but is exposed to certain damage; As soon as the plane reaches its work area on the ground, they will try to knock it down and disrupt its mission in any way. Opposite him are not only enemy planes, but antiaircraft systems, intelligence, electronic warfare, and the discovery of the other side.

The Lavi body, during the construction of its first mop-up of the Lavi body, during the construction of its first mop-up


The final product includes mass masses of electronic components that need to be reliable, durable, easy to repair and more. Despite automation technologies, much of the production and installation are done manually - which requires a mass of employees, sub-contractors and performance evaluation and quality control bodies. They have to be trained and paid. Therefore, building a fighter jet is more like building luxury cars than Rolls-Royce than building ships or passenger planes.

The IAI, in its place, was able to meet this challenge and to design an excellent fighter jet, probably the best in the category. The prototypes demonstrated very impressive abilities, and Israel was happy and proud of the small, sinister plane. The United States agreed to participate in funding the project, but behind the scenes her fists snapped. why? Because the United States does not indulge in countries that develop fighter jets; In fact, it is the world's biggest wingshooter.


What do the Americans have against him? What do the Americans have against him?


The United States is a world tyrant in the field: in 1959 it exerted a wild press to abolish the development of the Canadian Arrow, which surpassed everything in the US; In 1965 it did the same to the British TSR, and there are a few other similar cases. No country that has a shadow in its shadow will dare to create competition. No country will invent a rival plane instead of buying it, especially the creative guys between the Jordan and the Mediterranean.

As a state of patronage, Israel depends on the interests of the patron: for example, to generate revenue for the American aerospace industry. The F16 was designed, among other things, for export purposes and the State of Israel played a significant role in this: In the Six Day War, our pilots performed wonders on French Mirage planes, causing a wild surge in their sales. During the Yom Kippur War, the phantom and the American Skyhawks were added to the picture
Yam, which again prompted the orders. The State of Israel was simply an ongoing campaign for military aircraft. In the flight test, General Dynamics, the maker of the F16, did not intend to give up this chance and turned to power. Uncle Sam suggested that Israel buy the American grocery instead of getting into a mess of self-production. It was clear to all concerned that this was a proposal that could not be refused, in the most "godfather" sense of the word. And the rush was not long in coming: the Lavi project was becoming more expensive, which would affect the price of the final plane. This created the Israel Air Force to announce that it would equip half of the originally ordered planes 75 instead of 150. Israel created a great airplane that simply does not pay for it. Meanwhile, an American hand rests on its shoulder. There are those who claim that the project was made more expensive because it was infected with Israeli politics because it contributed to the image of the Likud party. In the end, the Israeli government announced on August 30, 1987, that the ambitious project was null and void. Instead of the Lavi, Israel received dozens of F-16s, which proved themselves to be excellent acquisitions. Technologies developed for Lavi found their way to other Air Force planes, including the improved Phantom, the Kfir C7, the Cobra helicopters, and others. He was impressive in his life, but he did his best. Halabi was impressive in his life, but he was successful in his death. Halva Photo: Bukvoed Personally, I'm glad Lavi was canceled. And not because of the costs it would have caused or the crisis that would have broken out with the US I'm glad that IAI closed the switch, there are thousands of employees in Israel who specialize in one of the most complex industrial areas in the world, they knew how to design and design chips and sensors, To work at zero budgets and crazy job seekers, and they were looking for a new job, and I was happy because their knowledge was not lost, some of them found work in the American technology industry and made good progress because of their experience, others joined the first high-tech projects here in Israel, To a certain extent, the silver tray on which the silo rose And the Israeli brilliance still exists in the aerospace industry, in many areas such as unmanned aircraft, and now the tables are reversed and the Americans are the ones who buy Israeli technology, Such as Waze, Mobilay and others, but we still buy fighter jets from the tough uncle from America.
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We did that mission impossible. China is leading and we are following JF17 will write history and we can make our future more bright. First nuclear power then fighter jet and our next challenge is CPEC.
 

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Hey Dani. You need to sue those basket Americans. I think they copied your Lavi fighter and called it F-16. And the cheeky baskets have been selling us copies of the Lavi for silly money.




i think f 16 was exist
 

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Hey Dani. You need to sue those basket Americans. I think they copied your Lavi fighter and called it F-16. And the cheeky baskets have been selling us copies of the Lavi for silly money.




That would be the: F-16XL-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16XL

Lavi was like mixing French Delta-wing structure with American-Israeli Engines and weapons/technology.
Though the F-16 was still present while the Lavi program was on its way.
 

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If you have a US passport, and you go to Israel- regardless of where you come from, you are assumed to be an Israeli spy if you try to apply for a US defense sector job.
 

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I dunno why but some Americans really hate Israel for some reason. There's this veteran marine i know on twitter...he wanted me to design him a tattoo and when I gave him the link to my freelance page (on an Israeli company), he went mad, said lots of "good" things about Israel and that Tel Aviv should stop trying to be the Silicon Valley, and refused to place the order.
In another of my experiences, an American company blocked my Israeli advertiser's ads.
 

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I dunno why but some Americans really hate Israel for some reason. There's this veteran marine i know on twitter...he wanted me to design him a tattoo and when I gave him the link to my freelance page (on an Israeli company), he went mad, said lots of "good" things about Israel and that Tel Aviv should stop trying to be the Silicon Valley, and refused to place the order.
In another of my experiences, an American company blocked my Israeli advertiser's ads.
maybe beacuse they give us 4 bilion dollar each year?
 

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you guys did what had to be done at that time. but i wish i could see this beauty fly it would have been most unorthodox machine just like merkava.
 

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