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27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

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Nopes, not the reason either.
Unfortunately there is no real photo / video confirmation of SU-30. In the eyes of the world, only confirmed kill in whole scenario was mig-21. Pilot had a lock, fired a missile but in the end there is no debris photo. World only call these kills as "claims" but not confirmed.
Perhaps, Airforce gives priority to confirmed kills which can shown as a trophy to entire world. After all the weightage of confirmed kill as a trophy served lot more national interests.

However, I am certain that SU-30 was shot down as that can be the sole reason that other SU-30s never challenged PAF after seeing the fate of one of their prime jets. Secondly, search & rescue heli to be rushed is another indication. Lastly. no counter claim evidence made by india. like for Pakistan, PAF immediately gave most reputed neutral count of F-16s, showed 4 AAMs along with the debris. Nothing of such level of credibility which can completely reject PAF claim were made by india.
 

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Unfortunately there is no real photo / video confirmation of SU-30. In the eyes of the world, only confirmed kill in whole scenario was mig-21. Pilot had a lock, fired a missile but in the end there is no debris photo. World only call these kills as "claims" but not confirmed.
Perhaps, Airforce gives priority to confirmed kills which can shown as a trophy to entire world. After all the weightage of confirmed kill as a trophy served lot more national interests.

However, I am certain that SU-30 was shot down as that can be the sole reason that other SU-30s never challenged PAF after seeing the fate of one of their prime jets. Secondly, search & rescue heli to be rushed is another indication. Lastly. no counter claim evidence made by india. like for Pakistan, PAF immediately gave most reputed neutral count of F-16s, showed 4 AAMs along with the debris. Nothing of such level of credibility which can completely reject PAF claim were made by india.
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The Su-30 MKI pilots were already awarded commendation cards around 2 weeks after the incident for dodging AMRAAM and successfully keeping their aircraft unharmed.

lets talk logic for a second, i know hard for you to comprehend but please bear with me.

Pakistan, within days if not hours had Hasan and Noman's name all over social media with kill claims, they came on multiple shows and their faces was shown around the globe.

India, within hours, claimed nothing was shot down, lost 3 (2 confirmed, 1 disputed) assets, one pilot POW and shown to the world, yet the only media coverage we EVER saw was Abhinandan's face or wreck of that AIM120, just wondering, why not bring those SU jockeys in limelight for the world to see, it's not easy to dodge multiple missiles and this feat is respected and celebrated.

Maj. ET Tullia (Call Sign: Stoke 3) dodged not 1, not 2 but 5 SAM's and lived to tell the story, oh by the way he did that all by his flying skills not by counter measures because when he landed he discovered that his chaff/flare dispenser had malfunctioned and nothing had been dispensed. He was awarded Distinguished Flying Cross (DFC) for it (very well deserving). By the way, Maj Tullia had a HUD tape to back the claims, just google it or search on YouTube to see it.

So coming back to the topic, IF IAF managed to achieved such a remarkable achievement than why not bring those pilots in front and award them? they are MORE deserving for that Chakra what ever award rather than ration cards of yours. How about posting those HUD tape so we Pakistani's for once are shut the hell up once and for all?


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lets talk logic for a second, i know hard for you to comprehend but please bear with me.

Pakistan, within days if not hours had Hasan and Noman's name all over social media with kill claims, they came on multiple shows and their faces was shown around the globe.

India, within hours, claimed nothing was shot down, lost 3 (2 confirmed, 1 disputed) assets, one pilot POW and shown to the world, yet the only media coverage we EVER saw was Abhinandan's face or wreck of that AIM120, just wondering, why not bring those SU jockeys in limelight for the world to see, it's not easy to dodge multiple missiles and this feat is respected and celebrated.

Maj. ET Tullia (Call Sign: Stoke 3) dodged not 1, not 2 but 5 SAM's and lived to tell the story, oh by the way he did that all by his flying skills not by counter measures because when he landed he discovered that his chaff/flare dispenser had malfunctioned and nothing had been dispensed. He was awarded Distinguished Flying Cross (DFC) for it (very well deserving). By the way, Maj Tullia had a HUD tape to back the claims, just google it or search on YouTube to see it.

So coming back to the topic, IF IAF managed to achieved such a remarkable achievement than why not bring those pilots in front and award them? they are MORE deserving for that Chakra what ever award rather than ration cards of yours. How about posting those HUD tape so we Pakistani's for once are shut the hell up once and for all?


@Riz @GriffinsRule @Signalian @SQ8 @Akh1112 @Raider 21 @The Eagle @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Deino @Hodor @airomerix @fitpOsitive @Mav3rick @Meengla @TaimiKhan @TheTallGuy
Thanks for tagging.
When it comes to Pakistan-India, no one can speak sense. Its all non sense, and I am afraid, it will remain so for next 5000 years.
I am sorry, I don't have more to say.
 
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Politics & Patriotism are often deprived of logic or sense.
People are afraid of each other in South Asia. The root cause is the politics of some useless people.
Leaches, everywhere in the systems of the countries.
But it all boils down to the mentality, that everyone learns at home in South Asia. There we need to focus.
 

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