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Pages 125-130 are fun.. I often come to this thread to see the moment indians knew they were roughed up for a misadventure.The loud ones curled up their tail and disappeared.
 
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Since IAF/Indian Government/Indian Media have all given various versions of what happened on that eventful day, lets have a look see at what a Indian :pleasantry:Defense Analyst:pleasantry: states what actually happened.

Control your laughter till the end.

It has to be noted that according to this video...a Economically Strong country like India was smart not to waste its multi-million dollar Missiles, however, a poor Country like Pakistan launching its AMRAAMS like Water-Balloons.

 

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Since IAF/Indian Government/Indian Media have all given various versions of what happened on that eventful day, lets have a look see at what a Indian :pleasantry:Defense Analyst:pleasantry: states what actually happened.

Control your laughter till the end.

It has to be noted that according to this video...a Economically Strong country like India was smart not to waste its multi-million dollar Missiles, however, a poor Country like Pakistan launching its AMRAAMS like Water-Balloons.

Most of today’s online Indians come from disheveled and lost family backgrounds and value their small egos for which they are willing to sell their mother’s into prostitution just to get cherry points. Its why they come to PDF, not by some sinister wish to just troll but by an inate need to not let any criticism or slight stand and somehow let their delusional Bollywood narrative of self be harmed even one bit.

Much like an infestation, you can debate to death and leave them baffled and go to sleep, and they will spend all night and day if need be to try and come back and regain their “honor” .
 

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So i'm quoting some of his words verbatim.

"Enemy se dur rehne mei ap ko faida yeh hota hai k enemy apki taraf missile fire karay tu apko us se bachnay ka moka mil jata hai aur palat kar moka milta hai, jitna close jaen ge enemy ki missile utni ghatak ho jae gi ap k liye" - no s**t Sherlock

"Jab Pakistani F16 ne apni AMRAAM launch 'kari' ho gi tu ho sakta hai jo Indian Aircraft wahan patrolling kar rahay hon unho ne launch ko anticipate na 'kara' ho aur jab warning mila ho tu dodge karnay ki koshish 'kari' ho aur jis direction se jo missile aa rahi hai us k ulta janay ki koshish kari ho" ...

^^ Expert with bazillion hypotheticals

" ..................... isse bhagna nahi, cold jana kehtay hain". <-- 🧠 🔥 :omghaha:

"Jo Pakistan ne kiya woh face saving k liye tha. Agar escalate karna hota tu woh dobara recommit kartay jo unho ne nahi kiya"
- No Geronimo, tum ne video face saving k liye banaya.

PAF landed SOW, with video evidence, shot down a jet either side (or at least downed one and hit the other), spooked IAF into shooting its own Mi17, dobara recommit karna chaiye tha yeh karne k baad! I feel bad for his parents and those of his subscribers.



"Apni range mei agar in teeno (AMRAAM, R77, MICA RF) mei sab se zada koi missile thi tu MICA RF thi jo 80km ki range deti hai head-on chase mei
(So IAF had the better missile)

woh karan ho skta hai Indian aircraft hain unho ne missile launch nahi kari
(They didn't fire because they had the better missile?).

kyun k yeh BVR combat puri tareeqay se hua nahi
(WVR nahi aaye tu BVR hua na shaanay???)

dono aik doosray ko marnay nahi aaye thay
(marnay nahi Dandiya khelnay aaye thay aik Su30MKI tu pura "Bhumbro" song performance prepare kar k aya tha aur usi performance mei AMRAAM dodge kiye).

F16 ne missile launch 'kari' us k baad woh cold ho k ghar nikal gaye
(woh kya beth k akhbaar parhtay).

Idher Su30 pilot ne apne skill ko dikhaya
(PAF aee, bomb phenkay, aur ghar nikal gai, us k baad Su30MKI skill dikhanay aaye... Ap Chronology Samajiye!)

jahan par multiple AMRAAM ko dodge kiya jo bohat he zada mushkil task hota hai. Escalate nahi karna tha
(Yes, 24 PAF jets show on radar but maybe sight seeing karne aye hon),

ho sakta hai border cross karne ki permission na ho
(tu Abhinandan basically got shot cz he tried to be Macho????)"

I usually don't say this but I want to have my ears professionally cleaned after hearing the croaky lame rationale. I regret skimming the vid and wasting a few mins on it.
Indians have since the day cited the mentality behind "kitna deti hai" Indian adage as justification for not firing at PAF. Yes of course it was frugality and not lack of a longer punching arm. Yes, you are running out of AAMs.
Imagine the priceless reward of shooting a jet especially on that day. The last PAF casualty Indians celebrate to this day is the cold war era fratricide of a PAF F16, imagine what Indians would be willing to pay to land a PAF jet using their own missile.
I start believing the figures of stunted mental growth in children of the subcontinent when I see these so called clickbait defense analysts and their thousands of subscribers.
They know nothing, pickup tidbits of fancy jargon while they compile videos after reading a couple of articles. It's learning as you lecture the public.

Since IAF/Indian Government/Indian Media have all given various versions of what happened on that eventful day, lets have a look see at what a Indian :pleasantry:Defense Analyst:pleasantry: states what actually happened.

Control your laughter till the end.

It has to be noted that according to this video...a Economically Strong country like India was smart not to waste its multi-million dollar Missiles, however, a poor Country like Pakistan launching its AMRAAMS like Water-Balloons.

 
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Since IAF/Indian Government/Indian Media have all given various versions of what happened on that eventful day, lets have a look see at what a Indian :pleasantry:Defense Analyst:pleasantry: states what actually happened.

Control your laughter till the end.

It has to be noted that according to this video...a Economically Strong country like India was smart not to waste its multi-million dollar Missiles, however, a poor Country like Pakistan launching its AMRAAMS like Water-Balloons.

bravo, i must say bravo .... hats off .... can we hire this "annalist"

says we went cold, but PAF said they stayed there and waited.
 

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Why #IndianAirForce downed their own #Mi17 helicopter on February 27 last year? Analyst AVM. Shahzad Chaudhry (r) says the electromagnetic spectrum was quite confusing for Indian Air Force on that day, which led to the incident.

Take away: Network centric warfare is required. India, listen to praven swahney
 
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Just a few months old, but I thought i'd share with you all - at the off chance you missed it.

I've already time-stamped it at 6:00, so just click 'Play'.

Pravin Sawhney (once again) gives his straight forward views of the Balakot Strikes & the response.

[Yaar, ye bunda tou Indian Armed Forces ke patloon utar-daita hai - without remorse]


@araz @airomerix @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal. @Hodor @Irfan Baloch @Imran Khan @SQ8 @Windjammer @The Eagle @Akh1112 @aliyusuf @AMRAAM @ARMalik @Cookie Monster @GriffinsRule @GumNaam @HRK @iLION12345_1 @masterchief_mirza @Metal 0-1 @Mrc @mshan44 @NA71 @PAKISTANFOREVER @Path-Finder @PWFI @Rafi @Riz @Stealth @The Accountant @The Raven @TheSnakeEatingMarkhur @TheTallGuy @Thorough Pro @TOPGUN @Trango Towers @Viper27 @White and Green with M/S @Yasser76 @Zarvan @ziaulislam @PradoTLC
 

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Just a few months old, but I thought i'd share with you all - at the off chance you missed it.

I've already time-stamped it at 6:00, so just click 'Play'.

Pravin Sawhney (once again) gives his straight forward views of the Balakot Strikes & the response.

[Yaar, ye bunda tou Indian Armed Forces ke patloon utar-daita hai - without remorse]


@araz @airomerix @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal. @Hodor @Irfan Baloch @Imran Khan @SQ8 @Windjammer @The Eagle @Akh1112 @aliyusuf @AMRAAM @ARMalik @Cookie Monster @GriffinsRule @GumNaam @HRK @iLION12345_1 @masterchief_mirza @Metal 0-1 @Mrc @mshan44 @NA71 @PAKISTANFOREVER @Path-Finder @PWFI @Rafi @Riz @Stealth @The Accountant @The Raven @TheSnakeEatingMarkhur @TheTallGuy @Thorough Pro @TOPGUN @Trango Towers @Viper27 @White and Green with M/S @Yasser76 @Zarvan @ziaulislam @PradoTLC
negative. people like pravin sawhney are die hard indian patriots and resent the piss poor performance of the politicized indian military. Pakistan's intelligencia will do well not to let people pravin sawhney's intellect come into power or even become influencers...We WANT to keep ignorance violin players like surrendera modi in charge so that india continues to burn.
 

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Just a few months old, but I thought i'd share with you all - at the off chance you missed it.

I've already time-stamped it at 6:00, so just click 'Play'.

Pravin Sawhney (once again) gives his straight forward views of the Balakot Strikes & the response.

[Yaar, ye bunda tou Indian Armed Forces ke patloon utar-daita hai - without remorse]


@araz @airomerix @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal. @Hodor @Irfan Baloch @Imran Khan @SQ8 @Windjammer @The Eagle @Akh1112 @aliyusuf @AMRAAM @ARMalik @Cookie Monster @GriffinsRule @GumNaam @HRK @iLION12345_1 @masterchief_mirza @Metal 0-1 @Mrc @mshan44 @NA71 @PAKISTANFOREVER @Path-Finder @PWFI @Rafi @Riz @Stealth @The Accountant @The Raven @TheSnakeEatingMarkhur @TheTallGuy @Thorough Pro @TOPGUN @Trango Towers @Viper27 @White and Green with M/S @Yasser76 @Zarvan @ziaulislam @PradoTLC
Still he is an Indian...failed to admit the su30mki loss
 

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Still he is an Indian...failed to admit the su30mki loss
[Yaar, tumhay tou pakee-pakai Biryani bhe ch-ye - aur ye bhee demand kar rahy ho kay khoobsorat pardosan (neighbor) khood dai kar jaey.]

Ofcourse he's not going to mention something that we too haven't given any hard evidence of ourselves.

But the fact of the matter is that he's very critical of the IAF & their performance. I may be wrong, but I think he served with one of their Armed Forces. I don't know, maybe i'm confusing him with someone else.
 

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Just a few months old, but I thought i'd share with you all - at the off chance you missed it.

I've already time-stamped it at 6:00, so just click 'Play'.

Pravin Sawhney (once again) gives his straight forward views of the Balakot Strikes & the response.

[Yaar, ye bunda tou Indian Armed Forces ke patloon utar-daita hai - without remorse]


@araz @airomerix @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @Bilal. @Hodor @Irfan Baloch @Imran Khan @SQ8 @Windjammer @The Eagle @Akh1112 @aliyusuf @AMRAAM @ARMalik @Cookie Monster @GriffinsRule @GumNaam @HRK @iLION12345_1 @masterchief_mirza @Metal 0-1 @Mrc @mshan44 @NA71 @PAKISTANFOREVER @Path-Finder @PWFI @Rafi @Riz @Stealth @The Accountant @The Raven @TheSnakeEatingMarkhur @TheTallGuy @Thorough Pro @TOPGUN @Trango Towers @Viper27 @White and Green with M/S @Yasser76 @Zarvan @ziaulislam @PradoTLC
Guys like Pravin Sawhney are real dangerous for us because he is using his brain, he is not BJP or Indian military hater , but he just hammering them to stop talking silly and learn new tactics to dater pak and china together
 

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Pravin Sawhney (once again) gives his straight forward views of the Balakot Strikes & the response.
[Yaar, ye bunda tou Indian Armed Forces ke patloon utar-daita hai - without remorse]
- He's doing India good if he's pointing out mistakes. People like him reduce the risk of complacency creeping in.
- He pointed out something "ap (Army) Rajneeti se nikal jaaye". Imagine some veteran said the same thing in Pakistan, someone who had retired at the rank of Pravin Sawhney (I think he retired a captain or major). People would've mocked his rank a million times before dismissing him as an Indian agent or anti-national.

negative. people like pravin sawhney are die hard indian patriots and resent the piss poor performance of the politicized indian military. Pakistan's intelligencia will do well not to let people pravin sawhney's intellect come into power or even become influencers...We WANT to keep ignorance violin players like surrendera modi in charge so that india continues to burn.
- Indian armed forces have become increasingly politicized for the past 20+ years. Kargil (without commenting on absolute results) was a real shock for India and their generals had to resort to politicking to save face for getting caught off guard. Some in the ruling party wanted blood and generals had no real choice but to find political support and this has only increased with time. Unfortunately our generals helped themselves into politics in the 50s so by 1971, they already had enough influence in politics to not face full accountability. Here are some key takeaways and lessons for us.
  1. Indian Army's politicking has had a detrimental effect on India's defenses. We should also think how something that has hurt Myanmar, Bangladesh, Iran, India in our region would not hurt Pakistan (military diving in politics).
  2. Indian army has its own Army of right wing hyper-national patriots these days who amplify the IT cell's influence by freely taking down any resentment towards Indian forces. Anyone criticizing Army (people like Sawhney) are raked over the coals and called anti-nationals. Sawhney keeps Indian defense forces honest and wants them to be more answerable. We agree he's a die hard Indian patriot but he's labeled as anti-national in his country. Similarly, if someone wants our Army to be more answerable and be less political, shouldn't he be considered a die hard patriot Pakistani and not an anti-national? Sometimes lessons to be learnt are so obvious, lest we reflect.
  3. By any stretch, India's Army isn't as politicized as ours, not yet at least.
- Sawhney has been photographed at Pakistan's stalls at defense expos, he seems well respected. That often riles the less blessed in the neurological department in India to doubt his patriotism which is the most we can expect to gain with his connection to Pakistan.
Also, your quote 'India continues to burn' is a bit of a stretch. They're not behind us in macroeconomic or human development indicators so if they're burning, where are we. We should seriously think why we always think about pulling someone down the ladder instead of rising up higher ourselves. The latter requires us to work harder! I am sure you agree China has benefited more by building its economy and industrial prowess vs US and Japan than by its espionage efforts!

Still he is an Indian...failed to admit the su30mki loss
- Su30MKI was largely inconsequential soon after the incident in light of Mig21/Abhinandan, Mi17 fratricide and 0 evidence of F16. Why expect an Indian to admit it when PAF that shot the jet never felt compelled to release any evidence in the public domain. For what its worth, he didn't support India's F16 claim either which is still better than 99% of Indians who cannot process what was fairly obvious from the day of the incident.

I think he served with one of their Armed Forces. I don't know, maybe i'm confusing him with someone else.
He served with the Indian Army and retired quite early. Imagine a Pakistani retired captain taking our generals to task, and how he would be treated in Pakistan. I'd wager worse than how Indians treat Sawhney!

Guys like Pravin Sawhney are real dangerous for us because he is using his brain
Pakistani guys similar to Sawhney's critics in India are a greater danger to us. Those who search JF17 on Youtube, Twitter and bombard every video with silly comments rather than make them useful for Pakistan.
 
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Pakistani guys similar to Sawhney's critics in India are a greater danger to us. Those who search JF17 on Youtube, Twitter and bombard every video with silly comments rather than make them useful for Pakistan.
There is that one guy who was a journalist of some sort, but was kicked out for some reason. I think he's somewhere in Europe & has some YouTube Channel where he spits Venom towards Pakistan.

One should read the 'Comments' on his videos by his Indian fanbase. 'Sir' is the tile used for him.
 

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