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27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

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    IAF pilots after returning to base after "dodging amraams":

    Pilot: 1: "Khem cho?"
    Pilot 2: (Heavy panting) "Maza mein"

    Probably that's why the renamed the Trump event
     
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    This requires/needs a verification..

    Is that true after 26th/27th FEB Pakistan Govt. issued a warning that any IAF aircraft approaching IB or LOC in vicinity of 25km will be treated hostile and appropriate measures will be taken..normally in peacetime 10km barrier if broken scrambles or interception were launched. so if its true? how long it hold did IAF breach 25km since then?

    come to think of it...we have Enforced a NO-FLY-ZONE?

    little birdie tells me ...they still dont come near 25km.
     
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    they better not break the rules.
     
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    Look like Kaiser Tufail Sb have updated the article
    Note: Article revised on 2 March, 2020.

    http://kaiser-aeronaut.blogspot.com/2019/06/pulwama-from-bluster-to-whimper.html

    action on 26th Feb (IAF)
    At 0130 hours (all times PST), on the morning of 26 February, a flight of sixteen IAF Mirage 2000 took off from their home base, Gwalior. The strike element in the formation included six Mirage 2000H armed with one 900 kg Israeli-origin Spice 2000 bomb each, and four Mirage 2000H (out of the originally planned six) armed with one Israeli-origin Crystal Maze [1] missile each. Six upgraded Mirage 2000I, each armed with six MICA air-to-air missiles, escorted the strike package. The Mirage 2000s, which had to traverse a distance of 1,000 km from Gwalior, were supported midway by an Il-78 in-flight refuelling tanker. One Airborne Early Warning and Control System (AEWCS) aircraft provided surveillance support to the strike package.
    While the Spice 2000 bombs could be launched in the autonomous GPS-assisted delivery mode, the Crystal Maze missiles had to be steered to the target by the pilot via data link, after launch. The TV/imaging infra-red camera in the nose of the Crystal Maze missile could not only provide a view to the pilot for steering it to the target, the dramatic terminal phase could be fed as live video to the revenge-hungry Indian public.

    The first of several snags hit the mission when cloud cover over all of Kashmir precluded employment of the Crystal Maze missiles, and the four Mirage 2000H had to hold off in frustration. The remaining formation sneaked in from a south-easterly direction for a stand-off attack on a seminary at Jabba village near Balakot town, close to the international border. At 0258 hours, six Mirages carrying the Spice 2000 bombs lobbed them, and broke off immediately. With the bombs’ stand-off range of over 60 km, there was no need to cross into Pakistani territory, as safety of their aircraft was of greater concern, than any qualms about international censure for violating Pakistan’s airspace. In the event, the aircraft did ingress about 10 km into Azad Kashmir, ostensibly to drive home a point that India did not consider it as disputed territory. Traversing about 40 km, five bombs fell in a forested area, a few hundred meters from the intended target, and decimated nothing more than a few pine trees.[2] F-16 and JF-17 fighters on patrol were promptly directed to intercept the intruders, but were restrained by the prevalent rules of engagement from crossing over into enemy territory.

    [1] Crystal Maze is a derivative of the Israeli Popeye missile. It weighs 1,100 kg (2,400 lb), and has a range of 80 km.

    [2] The sixth bomb is said to have failed to release.

    PAF OrBat on 27-Feb-19(Swift Retort)

    Extensive Combat Air Patrols (CAP) were flown by the IAF, with surveillance support from ground radars, as well as an AEWCS aircraft anchored over Adampur. When the PAF did not show up till sunrise of 27 February, the IAF eased off from its highest alert state, and waited for the following night. A pair of Su-30MKI was patrolling near Srinagar, while a pair of Mirage 2000I was patrolling east of Udhampur. PAF’s deception worked splendidly when its strike package of four Mirage 5PA/IIIDA of No 15 Squadron and two JF-17 of No 16 Squadron, duly supported by a big swarm of escorts and patrolling fighters (a mix of F-16A/B and JF-17), cluttered the scopes of IAF’s ground radars at 0920 hours.[3]

    [3] Two pairs of fighters escorted the strike packages, while four sections of 4-ship fighters each, patrolled along the LOC. The F-16s were armed with 4xAIM-120C-5 and 2xAIM-9M missiles, while the JF-17s were armed with 2xSD-10 and 2xPL-5 missiles.

    Meanwhile, higher in the skies, the sole Su-30 remaining in the area flew helter-skelter, something quite baffling, considering that these are multi-crew fighters endowed with very powerful radars, and were armed to the teeth with an array of four R-77 active radar-guided BVR missiles, and four R-73 infra-red seeking dogfight missiles each. The Su-30 abruptly called ‘Bingo’ (low on fuel) and exited the area at high speed after only 25 minutes of flight, despite having an endurance of at least two hours while on routine air patrols. As per radio monitoring, it transpired that the two Su-30s had earlier failed to synchronise their data links and had been unable to provide any mutual support by way of radar data sharing.

    In the on-going fracas, the Mirage 2000 formation on patrol was pulled back. In all probability, this was done to prevent these high value aircraft from being targeted by more BVR shots; however, one is also inclined to believe that the panic-striken pilots may have opportunely declared some kind of weapon system failures. Whatever the reason, these state-of-the-art Mirages were of no help in warding off the PAF fighters, despite being equipped with MICA missiles that were comparable in performance to the F-16s’ AMRAAMs. As for operational commanders on the ground, it needs no guessing that they had gone into a paralytic freeze, and needed time to gather their wits. When the decision for action finally came, it was a pathetic one: to use the MiG-21 Bisons – virtually as cannon fodder, it may be added.

    At 0930 hours, two pairs of MiG-21 Bisons of No 51 Squadron were scrambled successively from Srinagar and nearby Awantipur, to boost up IAF’s diminishing presence in the air. A senior pilot, Wg Cdr Abhinandan ‘Nandu’ Varthaman (callsign ‘Alpha One’), along with his wingman, Sqn Ldr Vyas, was directed by the ground radar to “turn 160 (degrees),” towards a patrolling pair of PAF fighters. Flying low and masked by the Parmandal Range, Abhinandan had tried to pull a surprise by abruptly popping up from behind the hills. Apprehending PAF's snooping capabilities, he had even switched off his Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) transponder. He also kept his radar controller posted about his ground position by reporting it in pre-arranged codes. However, Abhinandan remained oblivious of the fact that unlike ground based radars, PAF's AEWCs and high flying fighters had no line of sight issues, and could clearly see him on their radars. Moments after he called out his ground position, "over LC (Line of Control)," Abhinandan’s MiG-21 was hit by an AIM-120C missile launched from an F-16 flown by Wg Cdr Noman Ali Khan, the Officer Commanding of No 29 ‘Aggressor’ Squadron, and also the overall mission leader. Radio monitoring revealed that Abhinandan was being frantically warned by his ground control about the danger he was getting into. “Alpha One, flow cold. Nandu, if you hear me, flow cold,” is how a desperate female controller called the unresponsive pilot in high-pitched screams.[9] Fully conscious but half-deaf by then, Abhinandan soon ran into trouble, though Vyas, having heard the warning screams, was able to make good his escape

    I have a Question with 10 x aircraft Strike package & 6 escorts they planned to hit just one target? that is 6 x Spice 2000 and 4 x Cyrstal Maze (Popeye) that would be too much ordinance for a intended target.

    May be earlier reports were true that they intended to hit three targets but were not able to do so due to prevailing weather.
     
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    On 26th Feb, IAF Mirages were escorted by SU 30s too

    No. Mica not comparable to 120C5. May compare it with SD10A
     
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    At first he also wrote it and now he has removed it...

    Sir Kaiser Tufail say so!
     
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    did the guys operating the spada-2000 and s-300 in Pakistan and India call each other up and agree to take a few days off on the 26th and 27th.
     
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    Perhaps, but they must've really hated the SPYDER guys who shot down the Mi-17.
     
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    Not sure if this already post, Mods feel free to delete. It seems like National Geographic has covered 27th of Feb.
     
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    not you too, this is NOT Nat Geo but faux Nat Geo.
     
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    Don't let Indians forget this date or what happened to them. Keep their wounds fresh - LOL - always!

    I wish we had recorded Kargil and the 1965 wars as much. It would be as much entertaining to remind Indians of their level in all skirmishes and wars.

    Alas for 1971, because of Indian terrorism in East Paksitan, Pakistan didn't do well in that war.
     
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