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2020 is nearly over ... so what can we expect in 2021 for PLA watchers?

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Bombers don't need to have agility and maneuverability to survive, in fact most air to air fights in past or present or in future does need a maneuverability for survival in air to air combat because of SRAAM and BVR have a maneuverability/agility that beyond the human tolerance, so basically first line of defense against SRAAMs and BVRAAMs is electronic warfare systems not maneuverability or agility of the bombers and fighter jets
If the role is solely air to ground then maneuverability not a concern for bombers such as Tu-160 and B-2 that could barely reach 3G, turning these bombers around required real huge turning circle. The B-1R made for intercontinental air to air engagement has ability to pull 5G to change heading fast to track and launch dozens of AMRAAMs at multiple enemy fighters then quickly turn around and flee before getting into ECM failing range or enemy fighters effective missiles range.
 
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If the role is solely air to ground then maneuverability not a concern for bombers such as Tu-160 and B-2 that could barely reach 3G, turning these bombers around required real huge turning circle. The B-1R made for intercontinental air to air engagement has ability to pull 5G to change heading fast to track and launch dozens of AMRAAMs at multiple enemy fighters then quickly turn around and flee before getting into ECM failing range or enemy fighters effective missiles range.
Its a old and obsolete concept, quite similar to USN 60s era concepts before the development of F-14, USN and USAF thinks that within visual range air to air fight was over and next era will be in BVR arena so there was a project called Missiler can't remember the project name. that on a subsonic plate form they had have to to put 6-10 BVRs to intercept soviet bombers attacking their battle groups from standoff ranges but this project was cancelled, same goes to B-1R project because after its was firing all of its BVRs its can't flee and defend itself because of limited speed and maneuverability
 

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Guys ... can we stick to the topic and leave out again long discussions on operational concepts, history and whatever!
 

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China's geo-position means 096 is nowhere as important as the next Chinese ICBM on land.

The sea area around China are too shallow, the average depth of Bohai is only 30 meter or so, impossible to accommodate large subarmines.

For east sea, not much better.

So the US will have a very easy job to spot China's large SSBNs there.

The only place which is deep enough for large SSBN is south China sea, but then the SLBM will require to have much larger range to cover the US than land-based ICBMs, kind of render SSBN pointless.

Unless we take Taiwan and use its as a base, SSBN will always come serve a secondary role in China's nuclear arsenal.
True. Land TEL ICBM, stored under the 1000+m granite is the safest and best ICBM suitable for China.
unless we drove Yankees off the first island chain, 096 is much less safer than TEL ICBM.
 

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In the first pic I looked at.


The one you posted is obviously different. Even the rear fuselage is different from the first pics. First one shows 2 engines probably 6th gen fighter maybe. The ones you posted shows 1 engine.

The one in the first image is IMO the J-35!
 

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In the first pic I looked at.


The one you posted is obviously different. Even the rear fuselage is different from the first pics. First one shows 2 engines probably 6th gen fighter maybe. The ones you posted shows 1 engine.
The video is from a design competition, some are even designed by fans.

Even models in Zhuhai Airshow has more weight.
 

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