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11 Arab Countries Take On NASA, Launch Own Space Program

Discussion in 'Arab Defence Forum' started by Philip the Arab, Jul 14, 2019.

  1. war&peace

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    China is in MTCR but Pakistan is not so China cannot provide any missile greater than 300 km range while Pakistan has missiles that can travel much longer than that.
     
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    China isn't look it up.

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Technology_Control_Regime#/media/File:MTCR.png

    The MTCR has 35 members.[19]

     
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    Now you're a pure troll. If China is not MTCR then it cannot provide this technology so what part you did not get?
     
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    It can provide the tech m8. China has no obligation to limit its ballistic missile exports. The mtcr is made to control ballistic missile tech from being exported by the signatories which China is not a part of.

    The Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) is a multilateral export control regime. It is an informal political understanding among 35 member states that seek to limit the proliferation of missiles and missile technology. In this context, the MTCR places particular focus on rockets and unmanned aerial vehicles capable of delivering a payload of at least 500 kg (1,100 lb) to a range of at least 300 km (190 miles) and on equipment, software, and technology for such systems.

    Even if it was it is non-binding and non-obligatory.
    The MTCR is not a treaty and does not impose any legally binding obligations on Partners (members). Rather, it is an informal political understanding among states that seek to limit the proliferation of missiles and missile technology.
     
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    A silly and stupid idea, given that there is NOT ONE world class university amongst these countries. This is nothing more than a pure vanity project with no benefits.

    They are better off spending this money into education and try and develop some of these arab universities into WORLD CLASS INSTITUTIONS !!!!!
     
  7. Philip the Arab

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    Uh? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_bin_Rashid_Space_Centre
    We have thousands of aerospace engineers graduating every year throught the Arab world. What actually helps is interning at NASA and ESA.

    https://www.timeshighereducation.com/student/best-universities/best-universities-arab-world

    We have already made small, and large satellites in various Arab countries.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KhalifaSat
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JY1-SAT
     
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    NASA and ESA as far as I know, for sensitive positions requires the intern/worker to be a EU or US citizen to start with. Also in the far majority of cases interns don't do much other than researching something to write their thesis
     
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    Many of these efforts fall under PR and ties enhancements. You see they were accepted in NASA through CPF. The larger ability for students to learn and contribute is through direct interning, PhD programs at NASA/ESA directly and getting a job there, becoming a senior. Interns of bachelor's and master's level are usually writing their 1st, 2nd or 3rd research paper (thesis). I've been through the process first hand, i've seen it.

    Actual effort would be local rocket development programs to start with, and that alone would make Israel cry and have the US take action. Which is why most of these efforts won't have many results. The west is great at BS PR campaigns, shaking hands and taking pictures. 'partnerships' with little result other than media content to satisfy people. Actual space capabilities means rocket capabilities which can be used for military means, that alone is something the west does not want you or any Muslim state to have.

    Let's not kid ourselves, those efforts of the link you pasted above is never going to materialize into some independent from the west capability. It's not the right strategy.
     
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    Will ASCG also build launchers or will that continued to be outsourced?
     
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    Why would Israel care? We dont need ICBM class rockets to hit Israel, SRBMs which we can get from foreign nations like how Saudi Arabia bought thr DF-11s recently do the job fine. Even so, if the deal of the century works(unlikely) relations will be much better than how they are now.

    Also, the article discussed a Jordanian engineer employed by NASA as a robotics engineer. People like this can go back to Jordan after their contract ends and end up working for Arab space groups. And even Arab-Americans could do this if they have enough pride.
     
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    If you develop rockets that can launch into orbit you possess tech to militarize that into ballistic missiles, Israel doesn't want that. It's not the same as buying some ballistic missiles. What's the point of a space program without a rocket program, it'll be limited to satellite development which basically is a tool with many sensors on it. And many of those sensors are high-end devices of other companies (camera etc etc.). IT communications and electrical engineering.
     
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  15. Philip the Arab

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    Yes, but those type of rockets are ICBM type which are useless against Israel. Why would Israel be worried about Arabs without nukes? They have nukes, we don't. Don't you think an agreement could be signed where there are promises to not weaponize the carrier rockets. If this could work, TOT from Ukraine for carrier rockets would be the quickest solution.

    Forgot to mention Saudi Arabia is getting the Grom missile TOT, and speeding up research for BMs with China. Israel didn't say a thing yet because they know it isn't for Israel, it's for Iran.
     
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