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11 Arab Countries Take On NASA, Launch Own Space Program

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  1. camelguy

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    I am made of very high IQ (520), I can build a spaceship for you all so don't worry
     
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    Retarded Indian false flagger. Ironic as Arabs have a higher IQ (according to that useless data) than Indians, Pakistanis, South Asians and vast majority of all Muslims.

    No need to mention who created the first and most influential civilizations in the world and dominated science for millennia upon millennia until not very long ago (Islamic Golden Age).

    Today Arab nations such as KSA have the highest ranked universities in the Muslim world, the highest number of complex scientific papers written and the highest number of patents per capita.

    Even, as I proved in this thread, helped and contributed to Chinese moon missions to mention a few things despite not many years of experience.

    Besides international IQ tests have never been conducted in the Arab world on even a small scale, so IQ's are unknown. This guy does not understand the concept of IQ or intelligence either.
     
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    Nice to see a Muslim Space 'Program'. We should aim to establish Muslim Space Station and Muslim Colony on Moon by 2030.

    @OsmanAli98 you wanna go settle there?
     
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  4. ArabianEmpires&Caliphates

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    Based on economy, population, landmass, potential, opportunities, historical legacy (imperial past, cradle of civilization etc.), historical scientific output, it is in fact criminal to see that Arab states are not up there with the best of the best.

    All it would have taken would be to create a joint space program long ago and allocated just 1% of the overall GDP for it from each of the 20+ Arab countries. 10.000's of Arab engineers home and abroad. Manpower is not lacking.

    Political will and being able to cooperate with already established space powers. Countries like KSA, UAE, Egypt etc. can only do so much on their own.

    This requires a genuine joint cooperation. Not only in regards to space cooperation but cooperation of any kind.

    Saudi Arabian, Iraqi, Emirati, Jordanian, Syrian, Palestinian, Omani, Emirati, Qatari, Kuwaiti, Bahraini, Omani, Yemeni, Lebanese, Libyan, Tunisian, Algerian, Moroccan, Mauritanian, Comoran etc. engineers and scientists should all work jointly together on an pan-Arab space program (not only space program) whose achievements would be shared by every Arab country for the common benefit of all. No matter if Arab country x or y spends more money/contributes more than Arab country z or q. It should not be that difficult if sane people had a say.

    The huge Arab diaspora should also be somehow involved and encouraged to help such a joint space program.

    So having that in mind, this is a tremendously positive step in the right direction.

    Related news:

    PHOTOS: Saudi Arabia, China successfully launch space mission to the moon

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    The joint mission came following Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s visit to China in May 2017 where a memorandum of understanding was signed between both countries. (SPA)

    SPA, Riyadh
    Friday, 15 June 2018

    Saudi Arabia, represented by the King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST), has achieved new heights in the region and in the Islamic world by succeeding in taking satellite images using Saudi systems for exploration and surveillance of the moon as part of a joint space mission with China.

    On Sunday, May 20th, efforts in this regard by both countries resulted in the launch of the space mission, Zhang E4, from the city of Xichang to reach the moon.

    The joint mission came following Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s visit to China in May 2017 where a memorandum of understanding was signed between both countries. It also comes in accordance with the culture of research, development and innovation at KACST, emanating the kingdom’s Vision 2030.



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    Three satellites were launched as part of the space mission to orbit the moon and carry out several experiments and research. The goal was to place one of the satellites in orbit beyond ‘Lagrange Point L2’ to form a communication network with Earth. The dark side of the moon does not face Earth, making it difficult to communicate except if a satellite existed there.

    A series of photos were taken, the first on the fifth of June from a height of 1598 kilometers from the surface of the moon. The picture of the earth and the moon was taken together using the Saudi remote sensing system ‘Lunang Giang’ fixed on the satellite, where the globe was filmed in addition to several craters from the moon’s surface.

    The President of KACST Prince Turki bin Saud bin Mohammed stressed the importance of the Saudi institution’s participation in this major international event, which will support its efforts in developing satellite technologies and use them in various fields, like remote sensing and space communications.

    He added that on this mission, they are working on collecting more data from the surface of the moon.

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    Last Update: Friday, 15 June 2018 KSA 08:14 - GMT 05:14

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/bu...ssfully-launch-space-mission-to-the-moon.html

    Great news and another sign of the close and constantly improving Saudi Arabia (Arab) and China (Chinese) ties.









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    We need to brainwash our Arab youth with pan-Arabism
     
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    No brainwashing and not the old-fashioned political "pan-Arabism".

    Every Arab child in every Arab country should be taught about what it means to be an Arab patriot, aside from being a patriot towards your own homeland.

    An Arab patriot for me is an Arab who wishes the best for the Arab nation (Arab world) and the Arab people and each individual Arab country. Things that all of us can agree on irrespective of religion and political ideology. Which are things such as security, prosperity, economic, educational and scientific progress, respect for the Arab civilization, culture, heritage, traditions, language (dialects included), Islam (for us Arab Muslims), Christianity (Arab Christians) and even Judaism for the few remaining Arab Jews. A respect for our diversity as a people and civilization too. Support for our territorial integrity. Calling out failed dictatorships/failed policies from state institutions/religious figures etc. that are working against our people's interests.

    To put it simply, every Arab, regardless of sect, nationality and political views, should understand once and for all, that any instability/misery in the Arab world and region (once again the Arab world is geographically connected, you can walk from Oman to Morocco on foot) will hurt him and his country and that positive cooperation on every front on the other hand, serves our interests.

    For the above to occur people need to become more educated by large, know their own history and that of the region, stop being divided by pathetic things internally and externally and stop being played out against each other.

    Not studied Gaddafi's ideology at all and for all I know he was a crazy dictator and a bad leader, don't agree with everything he did/said, but this speech (at least a lot of it) from 30+ years ago is right in many ways.

     
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    The socialist organisations that proclaim and function on pan-Arabism are outdated ideologies, they indeed do not work. We need capitalist societies with close pan-Arab integration. We will always have liberals and conservatives in the Arab world, personally identifying as a nationalist and I am sure you are the same we need to strengthen our camp as to me it seems pan-Arabism has taken many hits in the last decades. Seeing fellow Iraqis curse and bash other Arabs I am not sure what they rather seek as Iraq alone can never be that powerful given its limitation in size and population, and that applies to the other states as well.
     
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  9. ArabianEmpires&Caliphates

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    I am not a socialist but in an utopia I would be in favor of dividing the wealth of the Arab nation as equally as possible because every Arab child should have the opportunity to have the basic necessities and have the same opportunities as wealthy ones because each child is precious and each child can be a future engineer, doctor, lawyer, scientist, soldier etc. Think about how many talents were lost to senseless wars, conflicts, terrorism, neglect, poverty etc.

    I prefer to call myself an Arab patriot because unfortunately most Arabs and non-Arabs in 2019, when you mention Arab nationalism, will stupidly only think about the socialist Pan-Arab ideology while forgetting that Arabs were united into the same empires, caliphates, kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, sheikdoms, imamates long before that (even pre-Islamic times if we focus on Semitic history) and had a clear idea of their identity and geography for millennia.

    This is why it was so easy for the Semitic areas of the Arab world to be Arabized at the advent of Islam, Arabia included, much like prior to Arabic we had other Semitic lingua francas such as Aramaic that was spoken all over from Yemen to Iraq to Syria to Egypt and far beyond as a language of communication between various Semitic speaking peoples in the geography.

    Unfortunately the problem is that the rulers/state institutions ruling each 20 + Arab country, has adopted European nationalism/worship of the nation state which is in many ways unnatural for Arab and non-European countries/civilizations in the sense that Europe was/is extremely diverse ethnically and linguistically (just in countries such as France and Spain alone you have tons of various ethnic groups who used to/to this day have their own languages although strong central states have created strong countries where most people just identify with their nationality despite having different ethnic and linguistic and geographic backgrounds) unlike the Arab world which was dominated by very similar cultures overall. This is the case to this day in the Arab world even though we can talk about each region having their distinct history, even each region, each city and each village and later each tribe, clean, family and whatever, dialects, Berber minorities and other minorities all of them closely related to begin with and sharing more similarities (much more) than differences.

    Yet the Arab world is much more divided, politically, people to people (borders closed, little cooperation between states etc.) today than say Europe with almost 100 different countries and 100's of ethnic groups and 100's of very different languages.

    That is largely due to the destruction of WW2 and Europeans figuring out that being at war 24/7 might not be the best idea and that unity is the way forward even if you don't see Slavic, Germanic etc. people uniting into 1 single country or even a federal state. Due to the worship of the nation state as I alluded to and history of strong nation states in Europe. To begin with the modern day nation state is a European construct in many ways.

    Arabs, unfortunately, have not yet reached that stage yet. Not even in war torn countries like Yemen, Syria etc. Even in Iraq the public is divided due to the pathetic 2003 conception and sectarianism in politics, while a country like Iraq, hurt and attacked so much by outsiders in recent decades and bad internal leadership, should be the first country in the Arab world to unite 100%. Same story with Yemen.

    That is because people are incapable of solving disagreements as they should be solved. It is either my way or the highway. Totalitarian regimes are not helping either. Any dissent or thinking outside of the box is crushed/denied. The GCC/Qatar split, people who called (sensible thing) for talks and for that pathetic conflict to be solved peacefully, were targeted indirectly or directly in both camps.

    Look at Iraq, there is this Barzanistan cancer that steals the money of Iraq and the Iraqi nation and people, yet we have fools in Baghdad fighting for power among each other and weakening each other and corrupt politicians. While patriot sons are dying on the battlefield.

    Off-topic but a lot needs to be corrected. Arabs (especially our young generation and even younger people) need to look at the mistakes of their parents and grandparents and not repeat them.

    Actually I suggest to watch that Gaddafi video, he mentioned a lot of almost prophetic statements that later turned out to be truth. The most important message of his speech is that of unity and it is hard to disagree with that even if you are the type of Arab who refuses to recognizing that you share a lot (most in fact) with fellow Arabs and only cares about his own country, sect and those that agree with you only. A sad existence IMO and like shooting yourself in the foot for those so-called patriots because as you wrote, no single Arab country (deliberately if you ask me) is strong enough to lead the entire Arab world and shape it. This requires joint cooperation with everyone participating and it should not be that impossible at all.
     
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    That was indeed a great and prescient speech by Gaddafi.

    The biggest message he delivers is one of resistance (to colonial outsider powers). Look at the region today and ask yourself who is (proudly) in the 'axis of resistance' and who invites and has best relations with these colonial outsider powers (and Israel). Gaddafi would be rolling in his grave seeing today's Egypt in particular become a pathetic vassal state to the US and Israel.

    Outside powers don't want any group to become strong and independent in the region. They were happy to be friends with Gaddfi but then killed him when he got too big for his boots. They were happy to be best friends with Saddam when he was gassing Kurds and Iranians, but when he became too powerful in the Arab world they killed him too. They were happy to be best friends with the Shah until he defied the U.S.' instructions to keep Iran as a weak and dependent vassal state.

    The sooner some of the Arab countries of the region learn this lesson the better.

    MBS has a great opportunity but I see fundamentally an incompetent and uncharismatic charlatan with no pride or dignity. He is no Gaddafi, Saddam or Khomeini. His fanboys can trot out the usual propaganda about how KSA is becoming self sufficient in everything and has great ties with Russia and China and will be a regional superpower soon etc, but the reality is that as soon as he changes his tune the US will do to him the same as they did to the others. Other Arab centres are not any better: Egypt is a disaster not even worth talking about, Iraq is very divided and corrupt to the core, NATO destroyed Libya, Syria is destroyed. MBZ in UAE is probably the most competent of the bunch but the UAE is too small and insignificant and has shown no real desire to lead the Arab world.
     
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    Fantastic news.

     
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    Arab Space Agency is in the works, official confirms
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    Filed on November 17, 2019 | Last updated on November 17, 2019 at 11.26 pm
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    In March, the UAE launched the Arab Space Cooperation Group, which includes partnership of 13 Arab countries.

    The UAE is working towards developing an 'Arab Space Agency', similar to the European Space Agency (ESA) where a number of countries work together in space-related activities.

    The director-general of the UAE Space Agency, Dr Mohammed Al Ahbabi, told Khaleej Times that the agency is a work in progress. It is the long-term goal, he said.

    In March, the UAE launched the Arab Space Cooperation Group, which includes partnership of 13 Arab countries. Their first joint project includes building the 813 satellite, which is being funded by the UAE.

    Some of these countries include Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Oman, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Jordan, Lebanon, Sudan and Kuwait.

    "Right now, it's a pre-space agency. It's a group where you bring together the space experts and leaders in the region together. Then they debate, exchange ideas, complement each other, and work on projects together. This is a seed for a bigger initiative, such as an Arab space agency - similar to the ESA and African Space Agency.


    But we don't want to jump, and we have to walk before we run," said Dr Al Ahbabi on the sidelines of the Dubai Airshow.


    "We are on the right track and we are building on the best practices and learning from others when they formed this cooperation. It will initiate different space activities, but it will enhance and benefit the region, rather than everyone working alone because space requires cooperation, otherwise it's hard."


    Formed in 1975, the ESA has 22 countries as members and has launched massive satellite projects by working together.

    The Arab Space Cooperation group will be holding its second meeting on the sidelines of the airshow.

    They'll be discussing the plans they initiated this year, as well as further building and enhancing space activities in the region.

    "We will also discuss the UAE initiative to fund a satellite, to serve the Arab region, and become a platform for the Arab engineers and scientists to work together," he said.


    The UAE is on a mission to empower the Arab region in space-related activities. The country's first astronauts, Hazzaa AlMansoori and Sultan AlNeyadi, are soon going on a regional tour to educate other Arabs and increase interest in this field.

    The UAE Space Agency has also been working closely with Bahrain to develop their space programme, with a collaboration deal signed last year.

    https://www.khaleejtimes.com/uae/dubai/arab-space-agency-is-in-the-works-official-confirms

    Need everyone onboard.







     
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    In the modern world, nationalism is what causes wars and strife. Even terror groups like ISIS are nationalistic in nature even though they claim it to be religious. Matter of fact, if you were to analyze all terror groups in the world, they always have the same propaganda and recruitment styles, tactics, etc. Only difference is the details in their ideologies, one claims to be religiously motivated, the other claims to be nationalistically motivated while another claims marxism, communism, etc. But once analyzed you realize they are all exactly the same with differences in the details. Basically they are the different sides of the same coin.

    Here is an article comparing white terrorism with ISIS: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/world/americas/terrorism-white-nationalist-supremacy-isis.html
    You wouldn't have guessed it at first glance, but the similarities are no coincidence. This is how extremism (whether it's ethnic, national, religion or whatever) works on the human psyche. Fanaticism which isn't as extreme has a similar effect. At the very least, it alienates oneself from other. Especially those that don't identify with said nation, ethnicity, religion, but it even alienates those that are of the same ethnicity etc simply due to the fact that they don't agree with the ideals/policies/behaviors that come with that particular group think.

    Throughout history, if many wars were to be analyzed, the conclusion is that most wars started due to nationalistic interests and motives. WW1, WW2, War in the Balkan's, etc. The war in Iraq, the lie was about WMD, but the actual motive was for American interests (securing oil) which is a nationalistic notion.

    @Philip the Arab , I want you to understand one thing. If some intelligence chief at the CIA or some other country wishes to cause a war or some form of stryfe within another country or region, for whatever reason. The first thing he would do is support and encourage the nationalistic groups within the country. And dig further for other ideological groups and support them as well. The more juxtaposed they are, the better and the more he would support both sides (without them knowing of course). And keep provoking them against each other so the country or region destroys itself from the inside. So he can he can get after his own interests, or if he is that evil just sit back and watch the country burn.

    Iraq is an example of this, various groups have been provoked against each other for years now and we have lost so many of our brethren due to this. All because some foreign powers pitted various proxy groups against each other for their own interests.
    I am Turkish myself, and in Turkey they pitted various groups against each other, leftists vs rightists, seculars vs conservatives, Turks vs Kurds, etc. all in order to destabilize the country so that it can't focus on country development and pave a foreign country to go after whatever interests and objectives it has, whether it was regime change or some other objective. In the 80's, right vs left was a real issue which ended in a military coup. Both these right as well as leftist groups didn't do Turkey any favors either. As they only contributed to the polarization of the country, which started back in the 70's. In the late 70's the violence got more widespread. This gave the junta an argument to justify the coup back in the day. The CIA chief at the time was famously quoted as saying "Our boys have done it". Referring to the Junta. Years later we learned that it was the Junta themselves that shot at both the leftist as well as the rightist gathering places in order to cause strife among them and let the violence fan out.
    I see similar trends in many other countries in the world, from the recent history of Indonesia, Brazil, almost all South-American countries, countries from the African continent, Eastern Europe, etc. It is still happening today in many countries.
    Iran was a democratic country until the west intervened because the leadership of Iran at the time was nationalizing the natural resources of the country. So they destabilized the country and a regime change happened. The Shah came to power, but after a while the people of Iran got fed up with him and ousted him from power, this led the way to the current regime Iran has right now.
    King Faisal of KSA, he refused to sell oil to the west for a while. He got shot and killed by his nephew. I'm sure his nephew got incentivized or otherwise persuaded to do so by some foreign power, but don't quote me on this. My knowledge about this incident is limited, I'm sure you can do better research from Arabic sources as to what exactly happened here.

    Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with loving your country. Imagine you have a small pet, like a little bird. You love this bird too much that you smother it in your hands to the point that it dies. That is what these ideologies are. Nationalists from any country (doesn't matter which one) have the most nonsensical things to say, and you know that if they had their way within country policy, it would definitely lead them to war or some other disaster.
     
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