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11 Arab Countries Take On NASA, Launch Own Space Program

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  1. cabatli_53

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    Turkiye designed Gokturk-2 (2,5m) satellite with S.Korean E/O camera but It is not a sophisticated one cause of resolution factor. Like other previous satellite programs (Bilsat, Rasat)Turkish institutes used satellite programs to reach more difficult and ambitious targets. At present, A new EO satellite called Imece is being developed from top to down. Almost all inside Imece is being developed by national institutes. Reaction wheels, star trackers, power distribution units, hyperspectral cameras, sun sensors, Hall effect thrusters, transmitter antennas, onboard computers...etc
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    The most important part of Imece sat is that It will receive a national sub-meter EO CMOS camera (0,6-0,7m). From national lenses to infrared sensors, This camera have too much importance to meet domestic requirements of Turkish Republic.

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    Turkey’s Opmer is charged to develop a new and one of the most sophisticated satellite camera with a resolution around 0,3m. This camera will be developed for YÇU EO program which is going to replace Gokturk-1 satellite.

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    Same efforts continue for first communication satellite program called Turksat-6A. Aselsan is charged to develop Ku, X band and EHF band transponders, antennas gor comm sat prpgrams. 6A will have 20 Ku band transponders. It will be launched into space in 2021. Turkiye will not outsource any comm satellite to abroad after 6A program.

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    If you wanna develop a submeter satellite, You have to cope with many restrictions. The states producing spy satellites, want certain guarantee from costumers not to be used to observe critical locations of some states so If you accept the terms which is put in front of you, You will be allowed to purchase anything. Turkey faced many difficulties on Gokturk-1(0,7m) program when Israel objected delivery of French satellites to Turkey and Project delayed around 3-4 years. As a side note to inform you about difficult roads that you have to walk before running.
     
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    What happened with that satellite, did Turkey accept the limitations?

    Regardless, it is good to see that Turkey has many initiatives and projects in virtually every sector of its military/society - especially with more emphasis on indigenous systems.

    Time will tell how they turn out, but I think most of them have a good chance at success.
     
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    Maybe yes for experimental satellite, particularly Saudi Arabia ad UAE
     
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    what is wrong with that ?
     
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    Gokturk-1 is on space sending high resolution images under the command of Turkish Armed Forces but Noone knows whether Turkey accepts any limitations to solve the disagreements.

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    Yes..

    Nope, full-fledged satellites, at least big ones from (mostly KSA), the UAE and Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Jordan and other Arab states..
     
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    Nothing wrong. Just pointing out some fallacy that they can conjure local scientists like flowers and compete with NASA. Even then I doubt US will give permission to work for another nation space programme.
     
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    it is not hard getting components & training from European & American companies
    You start simple. You train your scientists and engineers.
     
  9. ArabianEmpires&Caliphates

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    Not read the thread but based on economy, population, landmass, potential, opportunities, historical legacy (imperial past, cradle of civilization etc.), historical scientific output, it is in fact criminal to see that Arab states are not up there with the best of the best.

    All it would have taken would be to create a joint space program long ago and allocated just 1% of the overall GDP for it from each of the 20+ Arab countries. 10.000's of Arab engineers home and abroad. Manpower is not lacking.

    Political will and being able to cooperate with already established space powers. Countries like KSA, UAE, Egypt etc. can only do so much on their own.

    This requires a genuine joint cooperation. Not only in regards to space cooperation but cooperation of any kind.

    Saudi Arabian, Iraqi, Emirati, Jordanian, Syrian, Palestinian, Omani, Emirati, Qatari, Kuwaiti, Bahraini, Omani, Yemeni, Lebanese, Libyan, Tunisian, Algerian, Moroccan, Mauritanian, Comoran etc. engineers and scientists should all work jointly together on an pan-Arab space program (not only space program) whose achievements would be shared by every Arab country for the common benefit of all. No matter if Arab country x or y spends more money/contributes more than Arab country z or q. It should not be that difficult if sane people had a say.

    The huge Arab diaspora should also be somehow involved and encouraged to help such a joint space program.

    So having that in mind, this is a tremendously positive step in the right direction.

    Related news:

    PHOTOS: Saudi Arabia, China successfully launch space mission to the moon

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    The joint mission came following Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s visit to China in May 2017 where a memorandum of understanding was signed between both countries. (SPA)

    SPA, Riyadh
    Friday, 15 June 2018

    Saudi Arabia, represented by the King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST), has achieved new heights in the region and in the Islamic world by succeeding in taking satellite images using Saudi systems for exploration and surveillance of the moon as part of a joint space mission with China.

    On Sunday, May 20th, efforts in this regard by both countries resulted in the launch of the space mission, Zhang E4, from the city of Xichang to reach the moon.

    The joint mission came following Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s visit to China in May 2017 where a memorandum of understanding was signed between both countries. It also comes in accordance with the culture of research, development and innovation at KACST, emanating the kingdom’s Vision 2030.



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    Three satellites were launched as part of the space mission to orbit the moon and carry out several experiments and research. The goal was to place one of the satellites in orbit beyond ‘Lagrange Point L2’ to form a communication network with Earth. The dark side of the moon does not face Earth, making it difficult to communicate except if a satellite existed there.

    A series of photos were taken, the first on the fifth of June from a height of 1598 kilometers from the surface of the moon. The picture of the earth and the moon was taken together using the Saudi remote sensing system ‘Lunang Giang’ fixed on the satellite, where the globe was filmed in addition to several craters from the moon’s surface.

    The President of KACST Prince Turki bin Saud bin Mohammed stressed the importance of the Saudi institution’s participation in this major international event, which will support its efforts in developing satellite technologies and use them in various fields, like remote sensing and space communications.

    He added that on this mission, they are working on collecting more data from the surface of the moon.

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    Last Update: Friday, 15 June 2018 KSA 08:14 - GMT 05:14

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/bu...ssfully-launch-space-mission-to-the-moon.html

    Great news and another sign of the close and constantly improving Saudi Arabia (Arab) and China (Chinese) ties.









    Why was @Philip the Arab banned? Just asking out of curiosity due to the lack of Arab users on PDF, lol. Hopefully he will return.
     
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    Moscow and Riyadh are studying the installation of Russian "Glonas" navigation stations on Saudi territory


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    Saudi Arabia is expected to host ground stations for the Russian satellite navigation system GLONASS as part of the space cooperation plan between the two countries, according to a final document from a meeting of the joint Russian-Saudi Intergovernmental Committee.

    "The two sides expressed their readiness to continue consultations on the prospects and areas of mutual benefit of bilateral activities in the space sector, satellite navigation and the installation of GLONASS plants in Saudi Arabia," the Russian news agency Sputnik reported in a statement.

    Glonas is one of four global satellite navigation systems, which also include Chinese BeiDou, US-owned GPS and Galileo of the European Union.

    GLONASS has a total of 27 satellites, including 24 operating systems.

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    Saudi Space Agency Begins To Take Shape, Reported $1 Billion Budget In First Year
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    HRH Prince Sultan bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud, the Chairman of the Saudi Space Agency. Photograph courtesy of Wikipedia.
    French online national security news publication Intelligence Online is reporting that the recently created Saudi Space Agency is beginning to take shape under the leadership of Prince Sultan Bin Salman, the son of the reigning King Salman, half-brother of the Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman, and first Saudi astronaut.

    According to Intelligence Online, Sultan Bin Salman will visit Russia, France, and the United States over the next few weeks and will hold meetings with his counterparts at Roscosmos, the Centre national d’études spatiales (CNES), and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), respectively.

    Prior to his appointment as the head of the Saudi Space Agency, Sultan Bin Salman was in charge of the Saudi Commission for Tourism and National Heritage (SCTH), and has brought a number of his advisors there to the space agency. Intelligence Online reports that Abdulaziz Al Sheikh has joined Sultan Bin Salman at the space agency as its managing director. Al Sheikh is a former consultant to the Royal Saudi Air Force (RSAF) and also worked for defence and aerospace giant BAE Systems. Al Sheikh’s deputy is Tariq Al Essa who has made his career in tourism and event management, previously serving as the CEO of the Saudi Exhibition and Convention Bureau (SECB). Lastly, the former head of international relations at the SCTH under Sultan Bin Salman, Abdulaziz Al Ghorayyeb, has now assumed the same position at the space agency.

    Intelligence Online also reports that the budget of the Saudi Space Agency for its first year is expected to exceed U.S.$1 billion, though there is no indication whether this level of funding is to be sustained after that period.


    Saudi Arabia established the Saudi Space Agency as part of a leadership shakeup enacted by King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud in a Royal decree issued late on 27 December 2018.


    As previously reported in SpaceWatch.Global, Saudi Arabia has a long history in space and satellite activity, with much of this activity emanating from the King Abdulaziz City of Science and Technology (KACST). The newly created Saudi Space Agency will likely coordinate and produce Saudi Space policy and strategy across the civil, commercial, and military sectors in cooperation with other Saudi government ministries and agencies. The Space Agency will likely also be the focal point for all Saudi international space cooperation.


    KACST will most probably retain its role as a Saudi centre for satellite manufacturing and research and development, as well as for implementing and managing space science and exploration research and missions.


    Additionally, Saudi Arabia is believed to be actively interested in acquiring a number of military reconnaissance satellites via French or American satellite manufacturers, and is also believed to be involved in discussions with the Russian state space corporation, Roscosmos, about training and sending Saudi astronauts to the International Space Station (ISS).


    https://spacewatch.global/2019/04/s...hape-reported-1-billion-budget-in-first-year/

    Paid article, cannot access it.

    SAUDI ARABIA Issue dated 17/04/2019
    New Saudi Space Agency takes on more staff

    Former astronaut Sultan bin Salman will make his first trip to Moscow as head of the new Saudi Space Agency [...]

    https://www.intelligenceonline.com/...pace-agency-takes-on-more-staff,108353836-gra









    Not sure if 1 billion USD is enough but it is a good start at least.

    I don't know, once again, how hard it is to use some Arab League Summit to create a joint Arab Space program involving all 20+ Arab countries? This would benefit everyone. Not sure why anyone would be against this as it would be for the greater good. Same with every other pan-Arab project that will benefit everyone. Either the leaders are clueless, being played out against each other (already confirmed due to the many past and current silly cold wars and conflicts) or lack of foresight. Each country (those Arab countries that have a space program which are very few) can retain their national space program at the same time if they want to. Same with military cooperation. Increasing Arab military cooperation does not mean that suddenly national Arab armies will disappear.

    MUST WATCH:



    Russia is training Saudi Arabian astronauts that will be sent to space.

    http://alwatan.kuwait.tt/articledetails.aspx?id=595193


    Leading Ladies
    Mishaal Ashemimry: The First Saudi Woman to Join NASA


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    Mishaal Ashemimry

    Mishaal Ashemimry is an aerospace engineer, and the CEO of her own company, MISHAAL Aerospace, and the first Saudi woman to join NASA
    . What exactly does her job entail you may wonder? Well, it consists of sending satellites into orbit using cost-effective space access vehicles known as M-Rocket Series.

    Her fascination with space started when she was just six, “When I look back at the moment I was inspired, when I was six, it somehow puts things into perspective. I guess you can say I get my inspiration through my younger eyes staring at the sky in awe and enthusiasm,” Mishaal said in an interview. “My fascination with space started while gazing at the stars in the Unayzah desert. Since then my focus has been to become an aerospace engineer and contribute to the development of space vehicles and rockets.”

    She went on to graduate Magna Cum Laude from Florida Institute of Technology with two Bachelor of Science degrees in Aerospace Engineering and Applied Mathematics in 2006, and a Master of Science degree in Aerospace Engineering in 2007 with her studies focusing on experimental and analytical aerodynamics, rocket design and nuclear thermal propulsion. In 2015, she also won the award for Inspirational Woman of the Year at the Arab Woman Awards.

    Following her academic accomplishments, Mishaal went on to work as a graduate research assistant on a NASA Marshall Space Flight Center project where she designed and analyzed a new thermal nuclear rocket engine for Mars Missions for NASA.


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    Not only is Ashemimry an aerospace engineer, her professional expertise include, aerodynamics, wind tunnel testing, vehicle design, predictive simulation and analysis and rocket stage-separation analysis, and computational tool development.


    Being the GCC’s first female aerospace engineer, she soon came to realize that with this position comes great responsibility and now uses it to inspire others to join her field as well as other STEM programs. She aims to reach Arab youths to encourage them to have a dream and to pursue it against all odds, using social media platforms to educate her followers about what she does and more.

    BY AMRITA SINGH

    https://www.abouther.com/node/11991...mishaal-ashemimry-first-saudi-woman-join-nasa

    https://www.mishaalashemimry.com
     
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    Well Done Saudi Arabia. All the best from Pakistan.
     
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    @Philip the Arab thinks because of originated ego that is pure Arab he is better than rest of the Muslim World, in Islam there is no better or weak In Islam, In Islam better are those who feared Allah most, even illiterate Muslim can give the most brilliant/valid concept/idea/ theories to top scientists that even these scientists don't even consider and out their brains, INTELLIGENCE IS NOT ARAB PROPERTY @Philip the Arab
     
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    Is anyone aware of the combined annual budget of the various Arab space agencies? For instance the space agencies of those 11 Arab countries (UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Oman, Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, Jordan, Lebanon, Sudan and Kuwait)?


    Saudi Arabia sets sights on space exploration

    With the establishment of the Saudi Space Agency, Riyadh could organize Saudi space efforts more strategically and support the aims of Saudi Vision 2030.

    Sunday 14/04/2019

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    Reaching for the stars. The first Saudi satellite for communications (SGS-1) before its launch from the Guiana Space Centre, last February. (SPA)

    Dubai - Roscosmos, the Russian federal space agency, is gearing up for a visit by Saudi Prince Sultan bin Salman bin Abdulaziz, chairman of the board of the Saudi Space Agency, as the two countries iron out details of a space cooperation programme.

    Roscosmos Director-General Dmitry Rogozin visited Riyadh with a delegation after Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud established the Saudi Space Agency by royal decree on December 27, 2018.

    Prince Sultan is expected to meet with Rogozin and Russian Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov to discuss plans. Both sides agreed in February “to draw up a programme of bilateral cooperation.”

    The Saudi delegation, due in Moscow April 17, is also to meet with Russian space companies as it looks to build collaboration and a partner network involving space sciences and exploration.

    A former Royal Saudi Air Force pilot with more than 5,000 flight hours to his credit, Prince Sultan was the first Arab and first Muslim astronaut in space. He flew aboard the American Space Shuttle Discovery as a payload specialist in 1985. He was the youngest, at the age of 28, to fly on the space shuttle.

    Prince Sultan was awarded the NASA Space Flight Medal for his participation in the 7-day mission of the STS-51-G mission, which carried three communications satellites, including the Arabsat-1B satellite belonging to the Arab Satellite Communications Organisation (Arabsat) to deploy into geosynchronous orbits.

    Arabsat is a pan-Arab communications satellite operator with headquarters in Riyadh created to deliver satellite-based public and private telecommunications services primarily to Arab countries.

    With 21 members, Arabsat has performed a vital role in developing communications for Arab countries for decades, with Saudi Arabia the major stakeholder and driver behind those efforts.

    Arabsat has six operational satellites that provide services such as Direct-To-Home television broadcasting, broadband and telephone connectivity, satellite internet and VSATs, used to transmit narrowband data.

    Like many other countries, Saudi Arabia is aiming to go beyond satellite operations to become a bigger player in space.

    For years, the King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST) has been the lead force for Saudi efforts in space, having established the National Centre for Remote Sensing Technology. KACST is expected to continue with its major role in scientific experiments, providing training to Saudi nationals and in the exchange of space-related technologies.

    With the establishment of the Saudi Space Agency, Riyadh could organise Saudi space efforts nationally and internationally more strategically and support the aims of Saudi Vision 2030. Cooperation programmes with Roscosmos, which has the world’s most sophisticated space programme together with NASA, are expected to provide significant support to the Saudi efforts.

    Saudi Arabia has various international cooperation agreements pertaining to space exploration, including those signed with Kazakhstan in 2011 as well as with China and Ukraine in 2017, covering space research, manufacture of spacecraft and components, remote sensing, satellite communications, space infrastructure and launch services.

    Last year, Saudi Arabia participated in the Chinese lunar space mission Chang’e-4, which was launched in May 2018 and in which Saudi photography systems were employed.

    Saudi Arabia has shown interest in developing low-cost satellite launch systems and in space transport industries, areas that could support its economic development agenda and create new industries.

    At the Global Space Congress last month in Abu Dhabi, Saudi Arabia joined the new Arab Space Coordination Group, which aims to develop an advanced Earth monitoring satellite to track environment and climate changes.

    The United Arab Emirates, which has prepared its first team of astronauts for a mission to the International Space Station, has built the region’s strongest space programme.

    Space exploration has long included international partners in cooperation. The United States and Russia use each other’s spacecraft to journey to the International Space Station. The Arab Space Coordination Group has the potential to lay the foundation for an Arab Space Agency in the years ahead.

    https://thearabweekly.com/saudi-arabia-sets-sights-space-exploration

    Anyway I hope to see cooperation with SUPARCO @BATMAN
     
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    Deep space oil drilling

    But you need organic matter in deep space for deep space oil
     
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    Is Ashsemimri the one on that Youtube broe ?What kind of even is it ?

    Does she currently work for Saudi rocket program ?
     
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