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11 Arab Countries Take On NASA, Launch Own Space Program

Discussion in 'Arab Defence Forum' started by Philip the Arab, Jul 14, 2019.

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    No not ICBM, ballistic missiles can have many ranges including short and medium range. The difference between ballistic and cruise is the method of flight and speed. Agreements are pieces of paper, in the end we remain Arabs, Muslims whom are hostile to Israel in the core. Regimes can fall and alliances can change. If an Arab state develops ballistic missiles it develops capability to deliver a warhead to Israel at a high speed with its own technology, Saddam went this route whilst having a nuclear reactor which made the Israelis worry and take action. Israel is small, who needs nukes to cause it major damage.

    My whole point is that having a space industry is highly linked to the development of rockets, which the west will never want Arab or Muslim states to produce as these can clearly be militarized as Iran has done. The other parts that come with space industry for the development of satellites are not aerospace engineering fields. They are IT, telecommunications, electrical engineering etc. You can't stop a nation from educating itself highly in IT to produce capable programmers, hackers. It's hard to measure or even notice unless publicly stated and even then how do you stop it? Rocket/Missile development programs however are a different story, they require testing and will be noticed.

    The west will not let 'us' (Arabs) develop in the way you want, they will always try to keep us under them and that should not be accepted. As soon as you try to develop ballistic missiles or space rockets they will not remain silent. The GCC is wealthy and all that, but the US is not going to let them do these things. I'm sure someone will respond to me with some link of ToT and all that but they know what is being transferred, they know the limits and they're no idiots. ToT simply means transfer of the required entities to produce locally, it does not mean transfer of actual knowledge to further develop, that cannot be transferred just like that.
     
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  2. Philip the Arab

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    So.. You don't think it is possible at all? We wouldn't even have to develop the rockets in theory. I propose that Pakistan develop space rockets out of their BM program in a JV with Arab states. We finance, get TOT, and use it in space launches.

    As I said before, why has Israel not reacted to Saudi Arabia getting Grom BM TOT from Ukraine, or expanding research facility with Chinese help?

    https://www.apnews.com/092c1656a26b484e8e912d1960c65a98
     
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    Arabs make only ~20% of the Muslim population worldwide but all the major "Islamic" terror organizations and networks are either founded or supported by Arabs.

    Be proud of your race.
     
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    We'll have to see what happens regarding this program in future developments, that cannot be said yet as its at early stages
     
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    Now everyone knows that Turkey supports ISIS, and Iran supports Al Qaeda so what is your point beyond hypocrisy, jealousy, complex and bad faith?
     
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    He is a Arab hater, Erdoganist, scum, and a Turk.
    Scratch that, he is probably Greek.
     
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    In 2020, SORS sounding rocket using DeltaV hybrid rocket motor will be sent into space. Hybrid rocket motor is in trial phase.

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    Later, The technologies experienced in sounding rockets will be applied for MUFA space rocket. MUFA is officially kicked off with a deal signed between SSB and Roketsan. It will be able to carry 100kg payload into 400km altitude by 2024-25.



    After MUFA, Şimşek SLV will carry 1,5t payload into 700km altitude by 2030.

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  8. Philip the Arab

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    I wonder if we could use it on space launches for payment. Unlikely since there are cheaper optiond but still.
     
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    Meanwhile in Israel


    As for the thread, do arab countries build their own satellites?
     
  10. Philip the Arab

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    Israel took the initiative and started their space program well before any Arab country. Do they use the Shavit launcher that much? Seems civilian alternatives are cheaper.


    Yes recently with South Korean assistance in the beginning but then finished in UAE.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KhalifaSat

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    First image received in Decemeber I think.

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    The Shavit launcher is used for Jericho 3 so they say
     
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    You don't believe Israel has an ICBM?
     
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    What I believe is irrelevant.
    What I can prove is.
    Let's just say, it would be irrational not to use the Shavit launcher for other tasks
     
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  14. Philip the Arab

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    I definitely think they are using the same stages because solid fuel rockets do well in both roles compared to liquid fuel rockets.

    Isn't it cheaper to launch Israeli satellites from civilian programs like SpaceX?
     
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    It is, that's why we're launching from abroad.
    Only military satellites are launched from within Israel.
    Also I believe Israel was the first country to launch a satellite in the opposite direction to Earth's rotation, so it won't need to pass above arab states
     
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