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104 to 0: The F-15 Eagle Is The Fighter No Air Force Can Beat

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  1. Zarvan

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    According to official releases from Boeing and the U.S. Air Force, the F-15 Eagle has a clear-cut win-to-loss ratio of 104 to zero. But in fact, opposing air forces have claimed, in nearly a dozen cases, to have shot down the iconic, twin-engine fighter.

    All the claims have one thing in common. The claimants were never able to provide any evidence for their supposed victories.

    The earliest report is mostly unknown to the public. Beginning in 1978, Iraqi sources claimed that an Iraqi air force MiG-23MS from No. 39 Squadron shot down an Israeli F-15 over western Iraq. Former Iraqi air force officers have repeated the claim over the years without ever offering any evidence.

    The next supposed F-15 shoot-down, from the spring of 1981, is better-known. Several different versions of the story have circulated over the decades, nearly all of them in Russian media.

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    In the most frequently cited version, on Feb. 13, 1981, Israeli F-15s ambushed a pair of Syrian MiG-25Ps and shot one down. In revenge, so the story goes, the Syrians set up an ambush on June 29, 1981. The Syrian MiG-25Ps destroyed one F-15 using two R-40/AA-6 Acrid air-to-air missiles fired from the range of 25 miles.

    There are problems with this story. Neither the Syrians nor the Russians have ever provided any evidence, such as radar tapes or wreckage. Another issue is that the Syrian air force never actually received any MiG-25Ps. Syria acquired several batches of Foxbats, including two of MiG-25PDS interceptors, but no MiG-25Ps.

    While frequently described as a downgraded export variant of the Foxbat, the MiG-25PDS was actually much better-equipped than the early interceptor variant was. In addition to the powerful Smerch 2A radar of the MiG-25P, it had an infrared search-and-track system under the forward fuselage, radar warning receivers in blisters on the intakes and big chaff and flare dispensers in place of the wing fences.

    Any source citing “Syrian MiG-25Ps” is of dubious quality.

    Furthermore, the Foxbat the Israelis shot down in February 1981 was a MiG-25R – a reconnaissance variant – flying over Lebanon all by itself. This is of particular importance because, in contrast to the Russian claims, the Syrians claim that a MiG-25PDS flying alone shot down the F-15 in retaliation.

    According to the Syrian version of the story, the MiG-25PDS mimicked a MiG-25R on a reconnaissance sortie by flying very high and fast in the direction of Beirut. When eight Israeli F-15s rose to intercept, the Syrian pilot fired two R-40s at their leader — one from around 37 miles, the other from slightly less than 31 miles, well outside the range of AIM-7F Sparrows, the longest-ranged air-to-air missiles in the Israeli arsenal in 1981.

    According to the Syrians, the stricken F-15 crashed into the sea off the coast of Tire. The Israeli pilot supposedly ejected. Recalling the same encounter, the Israelis reported that their F-15s shot down on MiG-25 with a Sparrow missile.

    In a well-known case from late afternoon of June 9, 1982, a Syrian MiG-21 pilot struck an F-15D with a single R-60/AA-8 Aphid missile. Despite severe damage, the pilot of the big U.S.-made fighter managed to fly it back to Israel for an emergency landing, and his aircraft was subsequently repaired.

    There are a few more claims from this era worth considering. On July 3, 1982, eight Syrian MiG-21s clashed with four each Israeli F-15s and either Mirage IIICJs or Kfirs over Beirut. While admitting the loss of four own fighters, the Syrians claimed to have shot down an Eagle, too.

    There is not one known Israeli publication mentioning this aerial battle, although this engagement was witnessed by dozens of people on the ground and widely reported by the Lebanese media.

    Finally, several Russian publications have cited no fewer than three further claims against Israeli F-15s – all in 1983. Supposedly, Syrian MiG-23MLs shot down two F-15s on Oct. 4 and another on Dec. 4. The Russian sources provided no evidence in support of these claims, not even the names of the Syrian pilots who were involved.

    This first appeared in WarIsBoring here

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...eagle-the-fighter-no-air-force-can-beat-23853
     
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  2. AZADPAKISTAN2009

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    While it may be 104 to 0 but in this thread it is shot down , as it is in wrong section
    really has no place on Pakistani Airforce Segment as we are not considering F15 to be a viable plane for our needs

    the f15 flew into a post too expensive for us
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  3. Zarvan

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    @The Eagle please shift the thread to Air Warfare section
     
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    Because it went up afabt 2nd rate airforce with poor pilots and poor aircraft
     
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    lol
     
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    Only because F15 does not engage with a matching aircraft and also US always fought the wars in the form of coalition against weaks.
    One country US will never forget Vietnam and the second going to be Afghanistan.
     
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    There is no comparison between Vietnam and Afghanistan. Out of hate for the US, your post is understandable. But, you should at the least have some realistic knowledge about the US military's capabilities.
     
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    Well regardless of what the F15 could do , or have done in past is irrelevant , as they are not being considered for usage by Pakistan Airforce.

    Now Saudi Arabia appears to have a wonderful appreciation for this machine however we do have have ample admireres but is beyond our budget

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    No no sir against weakest air forces and without any modren SAM sytem then yes they are invincible:enjoy: but in the front of comparable jets like modren Su-27/30 series of jets with proper training and modren weapons then reasult will be quite different:p:

    You have no point put it against well equipped, well trained countries with modern Su-27/30 series of jets with modern weapons like ( China, Russia, India) then the results will be quite different:p:
     
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    Sir, your capabilities now have a very strong match and fear from within is reflecting in the panic of which your president is suffering.
    On topic could you please provide a proof where US air force pitched it's F15 against any formidable matching force.
    Again USA is in habit of going to war only in the form of coalitions. Where in past, you were unable to handle Vietnam alone single handedly and suffered humiliating defeat. I salute to Vietnamese for their courageous stand against the intruding and occupation forces.
    But in Afghanistan, even you and your supporters with state of the art air power/military hardware/gadgets are suffering badly at the hands of handful miscreant who are without air force and only equipped with rifles and RPGs; and your president is hauling on others for his defeat ... US defeat is a writing on the wall.
     
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    F15 Eagle is an amazing Fighter but it was shot down during 2011-2012 Revolution against Gaddafi.

    The Gaddafi convoy that was on it's way to Benghazi was Attacked by Series of Rafael and Series of F15 Eagle and it's Soviet era Air defence System Shot down F15 Eagle and the pilot ejected safely there were pictures of the crashed F15 Eagle
     
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  14. pakistanipower

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    please provide a solid prove bro with pictures and article/news thank you
     
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    You can clearly see libyans rooming around the crashed Jet



    Even Saddam shot down many US War planes in Iraq war.But Quantity and Severity of Attack can defeat any country.

    Just to complete the picture Saddam Baghdad air defence shot down US fighter jets above Baghdad airspace one of the ejected pilot was captured alive by the crowd.

    That was live on TV :o:

    Allah knows how many more jets were shot down in Iraqi desert.
     
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