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The U.S. economy has roared back to life in 2021, with first-quarter growth set to defy even the rosiest expectations as another fresh influx of cash looms.

Manufacturing data Monday showed the sector at its highest growth level since August 2018. That report from the Institute for Supply Management in turn helped confirm the notion among economists that output to start the year is far better than the low single-digit growth many had been predicting in late 2020.


The Atlanta Federal Reserve, which tracks data in real time to estimate changes in gross domestic product, now is indicating a 10% gain for the first three months of the year. The GDPNow toolgenerally is volatile early in the quarter then becomes more accurate as the data rolls in through the period.

That comes on the heels of a report Friday showing that personal income surged 10% in January, thanks largely to $600 stimulus checks from the government. Household wealth increased nearly $2 trillion for the month while spending rose just 2.4%, or $340.9 billion.

Those numbers, along with a burst of nearly $4 trillion in savings, pointed to an economy not only growing powerfully but also one that is poised to continue that path through the year.

"The V-shaped recovery in real GDP will remain V-shaped during the first half of this year and probably through the end of the year," Ed Yardeni of Yardeni Research wrote in his daily note Tuesday. "However, it will no longer be a 'recovery' beyond Q1 because real GDP will have fully recovered during the current quarter. Thereafter, GDP will be in an 'expansion' in record-high territory."

Economists previously hadn't expected the $21.5 trillion U.S. economy to regain its pandemic-related losses until at least the second or third quarter of this year, if not later.


But a combination of systematic resilience combined with previously unimaginable doses of fiscal and monetary stimulus have helped speed the recovery along considerably. The final quarter of 2020, in which GDP increased 4.1%, left the total of goods and services produced just $270 billion shy of the same period a year previous, before Covid-19 struck.

"With strong federal fiscal support and continued progress on vaccination, GDP growth this year could be the strongest we've seen in decades," New York Federal Reserve President John Williams said in a speech last week.

In fact, questions persist about whether the $1.9 trillion spending plan from the Biden administration is necessary, at least to that magnitude. An economy poised to show its fastest annual growth pace since at least 1984 doesn't seem like a very good candidate for more spending at a time when the federal government already is expected to run a $2.3 trillion budget deficit this year.

Respondents to the ISM report indicated soaring prices and trouble with supply chains, with one manager in electrical equipment, appliances and components noting: "Things are now out of control. Everything is a mess, and we are seeing wide-scale shortages."

Markets have worried lately that overheated growth could generate inflation, particulary with the Federal Reserve continuing to keep its foot on the policy pedal.

"Too much of a good thing is often just too much," Yardeni wrote. "The economy is hot and will get hotter with the bonfire of the fiscal and monetary insanities."

A major area of weakness
To be sure, frailties remain in the economy. Paramount among them is the gap in employment, particularly in the services sector.
As of January, there were 8.6 million fewer employed than there were a year ago, just before the pandemic began threatening the U.S., according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. About 4.3 million Americans have left the labor force in that time.

Despite a drop in the headline unemployment ratefrom a pandemic high of 14.8% to 6.3%, employment in the hospitality sector has fallen by more than 3.8 million from a year ago, and the jobless rate for the industry is stuck at 15.9%, fully 10 percentage points higher than January 2020.

"The most glaring issue with where we stand now has to be the labor market. We still have [nearly] 10 million jobs which are just simply missing," said Troy Ludtka, U.S. economist at Natixis. "You're going to see a situation in the coming years, looking back to this moment, where official statistics on things like food insecurity, poverty and inequality are going to reach generational highs."

However, Ludtka sees promise ahead, thanks in part to measures taken to address the ills of the current era.

"The good news is that we are very quickly rebounding, and that is a sign of great promise," he said. "We're going to see an economy back to pre-pandemic levels of output, we're going to see a situation in which unnecessary economic insecurity is mitigated."

There's even some better news coming out of the jobs market, which despite the gaps that remain has recovered nearly 12.5 million nonfarm payroll jobs since the recovery began in May 2020.

For one, job postings are on the rebound. Employment network Indeed reports that listings through Feb. 12 were up a seasonally adjusted 3.9% from Feb. 1, 2020, which it uses as the pre-Covid baseline. In early May 2020, postings lagged the baseline by 39%.

Economists are counting on pent-up demand that vaccinations and falling coronavirus numbers will bring to drive job growth. Nonfarm payrolls for February are expected to show a gain of 210,000 when the BLS reports the numbers Friday.

Questions of demand
"You're going to see the growth rates in the middle of the year probably close to 9%. That's how strong the reopening of the U.S. economy will be vis-a-vis the release of pent-up demand by the household sector," said Joseph Brusuelas, chief economist at RSM. "I don't expect the pent-up demand to all be released this year. I'm expecting it to take about two years to do that, primarily because households will be somewhat cautious about the release of cash."

Indeed, the extent to which Americans in lockdown states will come rushing outside their homes when restrictions are lifted is a matter of debate.

Spending on the services part of the economy "is just a different animal" than spending on goods that has boomed during the pandemic, said Liz Ann Sonders, chief investment strategist at Charles Schwab.

"The whole pent-up demand is overrated, at least on the goods side of the economy. If anything, we're going to have pent-down demand on the goods side," Sonders said. "On the services side … it doesn't persist for an extended period of time. If you miss four vacations, you take one."

Still, as the economic data continues to defy Wall Street estimates – to an extent unseen in pre-pandemic times – the expectations are growing that the risk to growth is clearly on the upside.
Michelle Meyer, U.S. economist at Bank of America Global Research, said consumers showed tremendous resilience through the crisis that should carry over into 2021, particularly with more stimulus coming.

"The important factor will be to get past the virus," Meyer said. "All else equal, the economy is on a pretty strong foundation."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/10p...ire-and-is-about-to-get-stoked-even-more.html
 

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The U.S. economy has roared back to life in 2021, with first-quarter growth set to defy even the rosiest expectations as another fresh influx of cash looms.

Manufacturing data Monday showed the sector at its highest growth level since August 2018. That report from the Institute for Supply Management in turn helped confirm the notion among economists that output to start the year is far better than the low single-digit growth many had been predicting in late 2020.


The Atlanta Federal Reserve, which tracks data in real time to estimate changes in gross domestic product, now is indicating a 10% gain for the first three months of the year. The GDPNow toolgenerally is volatile early in the quarter then becomes more accurate as the data rolls in through the period.

That comes on the heels of a report Friday showing that personal income surged 10% in January, thanks largely to $600 stimulus checks from the government. Household wealth increased nearly $2 trillion for the month while spending rose just 2.4%, or $340.9 billion.

Those numbers, along with a burst of nearly $4 trillion in savings, pointed to an economy not only growing powerfully but also one that is poised to continue that path through the year.

"The V-shaped recovery in real GDP will remain V-shaped during the first half of this year and probably through the end of the year," Ed Yardeni of Yardeni Research wrote in his daily note Tuesday. "However, it will no longer be a 'recovery' beyond Q1 because real GDP will have fully recovered during the current quarter. Thereafter, GDP will be in an 'expansion' in record-high territory."

Economists previously hadn't expected the $21.5 trillion U.S. economy to regain its pandemic-related losses until at least the second or third quarter of this year, if not later.


But a combination of systematic resilience combined with previously unimaginable doses of fiscal and monetary stimulus have helped speed the recovery along considerably. The final quarter of 2020, in which GDP increased 4.1%, left the total of goods and services produced just $270 billion shy of the same period a year previous, before Covid-19 struck.

"With strong federal fiscal support and continued progress on vaccination, GDP growth this year could be the strongest we've seen in decades," New York Federal Reserve President John Williams said in a speech last week.

In fact, questions persist about whether the $1.9 trillion spending plan from the Biden administration is necessary, at least to that magnitude. An economy poised to show its fastest annual growth pace since at least 1984 doesn't seem like a very good candidate for more spending at a time when the federal government already is expected to run a $2.3 trillion budget deficit this year.

Respondents to the ISM report indicated soaring prices and trouble with supply chains, with one manager in electrical equipment, appliances and components noting: "Things are now out of control. Everything is a mess, and we are seeing wide-scale shortages."

Markets have worried lately that overheated growth could generate inflation, particulary with the Federal Reserve continuing to keep its foot on the policy pedal.

"Too much of a good thing is often just too much," Yardeni wrote. "The economy is hot and will get hotter with the bonfire of the fiscal and monetary insanities."

A major area of weakness
To be sure, frailties remain in the economy. Paramount among them is the gap in employment, particularly in the services sector.
As of January, there were 8.6 million fewer employed than there were a year ago, just before the pandemic began threatening the U.S., according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. About 4.3 million Americans have left the labor force in that time.

Despite a drop in the headline unemployment ratefrom a pandemic high of 14.8% to 6.3%, employment in the hospitality sector has fallen by more than 3.8 million from a year ago, and the jobless rate for the industry is stuck at 15.9%, fully 10 percentage points higher than January 2020.

"The most glaring issue with where we stand now has to be the labor market. We still have [nearly] 10 million jobs which are just simply missing," said Troy Ludtka, U.S. economist at Natixis. "You're going to see a situation in the coming years, looking back to this moment, where official statistics on things like food insecurity, poverty and inequality are going to reach generational highs."

However, Ludtka sees promise ahead, thanks in part to measures taken to address the ills of the current era.

"The good news is that we are very quickly rebounding, and that is a sign of great promise," he said. "We're going to see an economy back to pre-pandemic levels of output, we're going to see a situation in which unnecessary economic insecurity is mitigated."

There's even some better news coming out of the jobs market, which despite the gaps that remain has recovered nearly 12.5 million nonfarm payroll jobs since the recovery began in May 2020.

For one, job postings are on the rebound. Employment network Indeed reports that listings through Feb. 12 were up a seasonally adjusted 3.9% from Feb. 1, 2020, which it uses as the pre-Covid baseline. In early May 2020, postings lagged the baseline by 39%.

Economists are counting on pent-up demand that vaccinations and falling coronavirus numbers will bring to drive job growth. Nonfarm payrolls for February are expected to show a gain of 210,000 when the BLS reports the numbers Friday.

Questions of demand
"You're going to see the growth rates in the middle of the year probably close to 9%. That's how strong the reopening of the U.S. economy will be vis-a-vis the release of pent-up demand by the household sector," said Joseph Brusuelas, chief economist at RSM. "I don't expect the pent-up demand to all be released this year. I'm expecting it to take about two years to do that, primarily because households will be somewhat cautious about the release of cash."

Indeed, the extent to which Americans in lockdown states will come rushing outside their homes when restrictions are lifted is a matter of debate.

Spending on the services part of the economy "is just a different animal" than spending on goods that has boomed during the pandemic, said Liz Ann Sonders, chief investment strategist at Charles Schwab.

"The whole pent-up demand is overrated, at least on the goods side of the economy. If anything, we're going to have pent-down demand on the goods side," Sonders said. "On the services side … it doesn't persist for an extended period of time. If you miss four vacations, you take one."

Still, as the economic data continues to defy Wall Street estimates – to an extent unseen in pre-pandemic times – the expectations are growing that the risk to growth is clearly on the upside.
Michelle Meyer, U.S. economist at Bank of America Global Research, said consumers showed tremendous resilience through the crisis that should carry over into 2021, particularly with more stimulus coming.

"The important factor will be to get past the virus," Meyer said. "All else equal, the economy is on a pretty strong foundation."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/10p...ire-and-is-about-to-get-stoked-even-more.html
US GDP may actually be higher in a couple years compared to GDP if Covid had never happened.:lol:
 

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US GDP may actually be higher in a couple years compared to GDP if Covid had never happened.:lol:
what does higher GDP means where Air pump at the Gas station now need $2 while it used to work with a quarter 10 15 years ago. Do we count Loss of buying power as a gain in GDP?
 

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what does higher GDP means where Air pump at the Gas station now need $2 while it used to work with a quarter 10 15 years ago. Do we count Loss of buying power as a gain in GDP?
Care to name a country where cost has remained constant for the last 10-15 years?
 

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In just one week, the US media reported that US economic growth has changed from 4%, 6%, and 7.5% to 10%.
Next week, I guess the US GDP growth will definitely become 20%
 

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US GDP growth will likely miss a key forecast if the global economy falters, Dallas Fed says
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Americans now should get ready to brace for the recovery

Everything is about to get more expensive. It's a crucial next step for the US economic recovery.
 

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US GDP number has lot of water in it. For example, I pay $150 per month for 12-15 ton water usuage, Chinese family in average pay $15 per month for about the same amount of water. ditto for internet service.
 

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what does higher GDP means where Air pump at the Gas station now need $2 while it used to work with a quarter 10 15 years ago. Do we count Loss of buying power as a gain in GDP?
it can give money to poor nations .
 

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In just one week, the US media reported that US economic growth has changed from 4%, 6%, and 7.5% to 10%.
Next week, I guess the US GDP growth will definitely become 20%
in totalitarian communist Soviet Russia, the government says economy is growing by 5%, 10%, 20%, 40%, 60%... the numbers keep going up on TV.

But our eyes see the number of citizens waiting for free bread in long lines going up instead.

It is fortunate that we don't live in totalitarian communist Soviet Russia.

@tower9 @Dungeness

 

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Murica is getting bankrupter and bankrupter by the week and by the month.

Besterest for Murica to go crawl on bended knees and hands 3 times around Tienanmeng square


:omghaha: :omghaha::omghaha:
 

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it can give money to poor nations .
Only a small percent of what it takes, just like our Nawaz Sherif "khata hay to lagata bhi hay"
Care to name a country where cost has remained constant for the last 10-15 years?
no I can't and that was my point, same as i can count few countries whose GDP remained the same or declined from last 10 15 years.
 

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