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vishwambhar
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Dear I can reply you... don't think I am not posting because I have run out argument my friend... it's just we Indians are at the risk of getting banned hence I'm not posting
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So long as ur argument is solid and doesn't involve trolling and abuses...u wouldn't be banned.
vishwambhar
vishwambhar
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U keep giving me sources that are circular in reference. This article uses as its "evidence" quotes of Col. Kumar.

So basically every time we hear "Pak was going to capture Siachen"...it's Indian CLAIMS...be it some Col. Kumar, or that ex RAW officer(u provided me earlier), or that TOI article(which u also provided).
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Let me give u an example to show u the flaw in such "evidence". Let's turn the tables and put u in my shoes so that u may better understand what I mean...
...during the February airstrikes that happened...there were claims of IAF Su30 MKI that was shot down.
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Now imagine if as proof I presented...
- An article published in Times of I̶n̶d̶i̶a̶ Islamabad.
- An article published by an ex R̶A̶W̶ ISI officer.
- A BBC article based on what Col. K̶u̶m̶a̶r̶ Umar said.

Plz tell me...would u believe that? Be honest. Most likely not...these pieces are NOT EVIDENCE...they are opinions/claims.
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Below are some examples of what would serve as an ACTUAL PROOF OR EVIDENCE...
- Wreckage of Su30 MKI
- Some sort of document leaked or declassified from IAF...that shows the loss of a Su30 MKI(like as a write off or something) with a date that corresponds with the proper timeline(when these air skirmishes occured).
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Everytime I have debated the Siachen thing with Indians...they always provide me these opinion pieces(or claims by Indian side) that revolve around "Pak was going to do operation Ababeel"...and yet no one has produced evidence...like battle plans, or some leaked/declassified document or materials from Pak Army that show the existence of such a plan.
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Now I know what u r going to come back with...the last resort always is to cite the order placed by PA to buy gear for the winter...which again DOES NOT mean an invasion. Should Pak not buy gear for its soldiers? Should they roam around naked? How does purchase of gear mean an invasion plan?
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Using that logic should Pak consider India's purchase of Rafale as Indian plan to attack? Hell using that logic the whole world would be starting wars with each other just bcuz their enemy purchased some equipment.
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Plz provide me with ACTUAL EVIDENCE this time around...of operation ababeel...what u have done so far is...
Claim op. Ababeel was Pak's plan to capture Siachen.
-> cite TOI article where the author is also claiming that
-> cite an article where the ex RAW officer is claiming that
-> cite BBC article where Col. Kumar is claiming that
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These are just claims built on claims...each additional claim gets built on Indian Army's(including RAW) initial claim of "Pak was going to do it and that's why we had to do it before they could"...and round and round it goes...
...I'm not interested in such claims.
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Countries are known to invent pretext to further their own goals...a recent example is US invading Iraq on the pretext of weapons of mass destruction. All they gave were claims...with no proof whatsoever.

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