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    1. KS
      Duh well ok.

      I thought you might accept because I thought you might have a knowledge on Indian political conditions.. But then it seems you dont.

      Anyway according to us, as of now LeT is the culprit which has been substantiated by a third party US and the confessions of David Headley and his wife Fouzia O'Talha and unless this case of Right wing terrorism is proved in our court of law this is just an allegation and just wait to see what i said is true or not.
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    3. EjazR

      I am unable to understand your end goal with this? Do you want me to say that attack by say LeT e.t.c. or some other Pakistani group or the Pakistan army in the future on India is the fulfillment of this Hadith?
      Love of Homeland does not negate being a good Muslim and are not mutually exclusive.Would be good if you read up on Muttahida Qaumiyat Aur Islam by Maulana Hussain Ahmed Madani. Even Iqbal more or less said the same thing if you read his 1930 speech.

      As long as the country of your residence, be it US, UK, India, Australia, despite being non-Muslim gives you freedom to practice and preach Islam, there can be no Jihad applicable against it. And war between two countries would be political in nature having nothing to do with religion even if they are invoked for political affect like say in Kashmir.
    4. iPakMan
      How about instead of us talking in intervals, we just talk on MSN? I did leave you a message on that blog, maybe you didn`t get that.
    5. EjazR
      Some scholars have opined that the it has been fulfilled. Others clarify that ghazwa does not always mean armed conflict either. In the many ghazwas of the prophet only three times was there actual armed conflict. It could simply mean preaching of Islam and that a large number of people in the Indian subcontinent will accept it. There is another hadith in Muslim where the Prophet saw said that I feel a cool breeze blowing towards me from Hind and this again is interpreted as saying that a large number of muslims will be present in the subcontinent. And 1/3 of the world muslim population is south asian.
    6. EjazR
      Graphican, read the twocircles.net article that I quoted and read the interpretation. Even if the hadith is correct, the ulema don't agree with the interpretation that "Pakistan will attack India and win". This I don't agree with. After all Pakistan is a part of Hind wether you like it or not. It is not an ahkam that is Farz or Wajib. As a muslim, I would follow what is Farz and Sunnah on me rather than concern myself with future predictions and waste my time on it which could be 1000s of years away. Please read the twocirles.net article in its entirety to understand my pov.
    7. EjazR
      I am not sure about Ali Natiq, but the article I pointed to was written by Maulana Waris Mazhari who is also a graduate of Deoband. I was saying his article is valid as he tackled it from multiple points of view and also included opinions of other scholars.

      And I think the more important thing to answer (because these ahadith are used by proxy "Jihadi" groups to justify their actions) is whether what these groups are doing is the same as referred to in the hadith? This is the main question.

      Clearly they are being misused for perceived political benefits, just like numerous other hadiths e.t.c are misused for actions from Suicide bombings to attacks against govt.s or elected representatives all of which are wrong.
    8. graphican
      Islam is not the relegion of male and Islam has offered equal rights and at many places more rights to women and more protection for them than it offered man. Posting more on your Profile.
    9. iPakMan
      I have responded to you in one clear sentence, Respect those weaker than you. You simply cannot do that so you feel women are objects that Allah gave you for your pleasing and can be tamed or discarded at you will. I believe your prophet has corrupted the words of the lord and filled it with hate, you will probably teach your children the same exact thing your father taught you but so will i.
    10. iPakMan
      OK, here is something i`ve come to learn about people like you. You are a coward, you are only strong against the weak and you wrap yourself in religion to justify you cowardliness. I`ve met many like you and none of you are men, and you in particular are not even Human.
      Peace be upon you.
    11. EjazR
      I don't know when the last day is coming, and don't want to waste my time waiting for it. By consensus almost all Islamic scholars(credible ones, not Hafiz Saeed types)would say that given the fact that religious freedom is availble in India-there is no Jihad applicable. So lets look at what the ahkam of Shariah are now and what is right today.
    12. EjazR
      Graphican, the original article was this one http://tinyurl.com/4xtj4gq and most of it is still valid. And also keep in mind that Pakistan is a part of Hind when the Prophet would have mentioned it if this is correct. Hence, you have TTP/Alqaeda claiming that there fight against the Pakistan Armyis part of the same "Ghazwa". Finally, given that India and Pakistan have treaties signed and are Islamically bound to uphold the treaty or publicly break it before going to war. In Islam there is no role of "proxy wars". So what justification do groups like LeT, Hizb e.t.c. to shoot people in Mumbai or Kashmir or blow up bombs in public places and say "Jihad".
    13. iPakMan
      Sura 9:73 O you prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern in dealing with them. Their destiny is Hell; what a miserable abode!
    14. iPakMan
      Sure, i`ll give you the benefit of the doubt.
      Sura 47:4 If you encounter (in war) those who disbelieve, you may strike the necks. If you take them as captives you may set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. Had GOD willed, He could have granted you victory, without war. But He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of GOD, He will never put their sacrifice to waste.
      Sura 4:34 The men are made responsible for the women, ** and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.
    15. Last Hope
      Last Hope
      Alright :)
      Thankyou a lot for all your hardwork.

      I took the log for the online users to duel with :P
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