Boycott of Chinese goods: China warns of impact on India-bound investments

[Indiran Chandiran]

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I had previously debunked these delusions of Chinese of Indian dependence on Chinese imports, but doing so again

Starters here is pic of Indian imports from China in 2015

Interesting observations:
Chinese imports form a mere approx 16% share in our imports

Chinese products forming major share in Indian imports are:

Umbrellas, sun umbrellas, walking sticks, seat-sticks, whips, riding-crops and parts thereof
Silk
Prepared feathers and down and articles made of feathers or of down; artificial flowers; articles
Toys, games and sports requisites; parts and accessories thereof
Articles of leather; saddlery and harness; travel goods, handbags and similar containers; articles
Knitted or crocheted fabrics
Musical instruments; parts and accessories of such articles
Manufactures of straw, of esparto or of other plaiting materials; basketware and wickerwork
Ceramic products
Headgear and parts thereof
Impregnated, coated, covered or laminated textile fabrics; textile articles of a kind suitable
Footwear, gaiters and the like; parts of such articles
Furniture; bedding, mattresses, mattress supports, cushions and similar stuffed furnishings;
Other base metals; cermets; articles thereof
Electrical machinery and equipment and parts thereof; sound recorders and reproducers, television . .
Other vegetable textile fibres; paper yarn and woven fabrics of paper yarn

In Chinese opinion without these above critical imports (umbrellas ) life in India will come to standstill

Among these lets concentrate on electronics which form approx 54% in all electronic imports i.e at $19 billion

First India's entire electronic product consumption for a same year is $75 billion

http://www.gadgetsnow.com/tech-news...16-ASSOCHAM-EY-study/articleshow/51811218.cms

And entire electronics import for the same year is $36 billion

Hence 75-36 = $39 billion worth electronics is produced locally.

Of imported $36 billion the Chinese share is $19 billion, Hence in the entire $75 billion Indian market Chinese share is approx 25%.

I guess with such major share in our electronics Industry Chinese can achieve an economic blockade against us

Another popular Chinese delusion, all electronics are made in China and without importing it the world would go back to living in caves

First Chinese electronics exports to world are 25.8% of global import demand. Though a big achievement however even here there is no majority share.

next just as noted in case of Indian import share of Chinese electronics, the overall share of Chinese products in global electronics industry would be much lower 25.8%

Given the intellectual sensitivities of some Chinese members here on pdf, I would urge Indian members to pretend all the above is false, so that we do not hurt their beliefs.

http://trademap.org/Product_SelProductCountry.aspx

Few reasons why they're able to sell cheap , which is one of the major attractions of every Chinese product is they way they leverage the commodity markets .The State acts as a buyer for all major metals & minerals which then sells these to major , intermediate & minor corporations.

Most of all these goods also have an export subsidy .Though that seems to be gradually ending .Finally , it's the renminbi which is kept low artificially against the dollar .

You can come across tons of info thru data mining on the net. I'm not in a position to oblige.Just that it's a holiday & a rather lazy one at that .

 

[Nicky G]

The Chinese will stop investing in India, oh God what will we ever do?

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

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I had previously debunked these delusions of Chinese of Indian dependence on Chinese imports, but doing so again

Starters here is pic of Indian imports from China in 2015


Interesting observations:
Chinese imports form a mere approx 16% share in our imports

Chinese products forming major share in Indian imports are:

Umbrellas, sun umbrellas, walking sticks, seat-sticks, whips, riding-crops and parts thereof
Silk
Prepared feathers and down and articles made of feathers or of down; artificial flowers; articles
Toys, games and sports requisites; parts and accessories thereof
Articles of leather; saddlery and harness; travel goods, handbags and similar containers; articles
Knitted or crocheted fabrics
Musical instruments; parts and accessories of such articles
Manufactures of straw, of esparto or of other plaiting materials; basketware and wickerwork
Ceramic products
Headgear and parts thereof
Impregnated, coated, covered or laminated textile fabrics; textile articles of a kind suitable
Footwear, gaiters and the like; parts of such articles
Furniture; bedding, mattresses, mattress supports, cushions and similar stuffed furnishings;
Other base metals; cermets; articles thereof
Electrical machinery and equipment and parts thereof; sound recorders and reproducers, television . .
Other vegetable textile fibres; paper yarn and woven fabrics of paper yarn

In Chinese opinion without these above critical imports (umbrellas ) life in India will come to standstill

Among these lets concentrate on electronics which form approx 54% in all electronic imports i.e at $19 billion

First India's entire electronic product consumption for a same year is $75 billion

http://www.gadgetsnow.com/tech-news...16-ASSOCHAM-EY-study/articleshow/51811218.cms

And entire electronics import for the same year is $36 billion


Hence 75-36 = $39 billion worth electronics is produced locally.

Of imported $36 billion the Chinese share is $19 billion, Hence in the entire $75 billion Indian market Chinese share is approx 25%.

I guess with such major share in our electronics Industry Chinese can achieve an economic blockade against us

Another popular Chinese delusion, all electronics are made in China and without importing it the world would go back to living in caves

First Chinese electronics exports to world are 25.8% of global import demand. Though a big achievement however even here there is no majority share.


next just as noted in case of Indian import share of Chinese electronics, the overall share of Chinese products in global electronics industry would be much lower 25.8%

Given the intellectual sensitivities of some Chinese members here on pdf, I would urge Indian members to pretend all the above is false, so that we do not hurt their beliefs.

http://trademap.org/Product_SelProductCountry.aspx

Why chose to elaborate only electronics
Why choose to avoid discusing pharmaceutical APIs or any other imports?

Large scale imports of APIs from China worries Indian pharma industry
Overwhelming dependence on China for crucial active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) and intermediates has emerged as a main worrying area, as per the Assocham-RNCOS study
BS B2B Bureau | New Delhi October 20, 2016 Last Updated at 12:19 IST


Siegfried's Nantong facility receives Chinese authorities nodPiramal Enterprises buys US-based Ash Stevens to tap high potency APIs marketAMRI buys Italian API maker Euticals for $ 358 mnOmkar Specialty commissions expanded capacity in BadlapurAMRI completes acquisition of Italian API maker Euticals


Over-dependence of Indian pharmaceutical industry on imported pharma raw materials from China to meet the growing requirements of drug formulations is a cause of concern for the industry as well as policymakers.

India may have emerged as a key supplier of generic and affordable medicine for the world market, its overwhelming dependence on China for crucial raw materials, such as active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) and intermediates, to the extent of over 65 per cent of the requirement, has emerged as a main worrying area, according to an Assocham-RNCOS joint paper.

This is all the more disconcerting in the face of louder narrative against reducing trade gap with China which is well over $ 51 billion, added the study.


APIs and intermediates are key raw materials to manufacture pharmaceutical formulations such as tablets, capsules, syrups, etc. Rapid growth in new medical technologies is spurring the demand for generic drugs worldwide with the increased import of raw pharma ingredients from the emerging markets. Against this background, the policy makers have also raised concerns over India’s rising dependence on imports from China for many APIs that go into the making of a number of essential drugs.

Though the government has taken steps like withdrawal of exemption in customs duties, imports worth Rs 13,853 crore in 2015-16 or 65.29 per cent of the total imports of Rs 21,216 crore are not sustainable. “Over-dependence on China for APIs is likely to affect the bulk drug manufacturing sector, and subsequently have an impact on our population in plausible scenarios of drug shortages brought down by interrupted imports from single source country,” said D S Rawat, secretary general, Assocham, adding that over-dependence on such a crucial raw material on a single country is also not advisable from India’s overall strategic interests as well.

One of the main reasons for huge API imports from China is low cost of its manufacture and subsidy in China while India levies negligible import fee. “The import fees should be increased in line with other counterparts,” advocated the Assocham-RNCOS paper.

Presence of multiple regulatory authorities for the industry is also hampering the growth of the sector. The API manufacturers have to approach different authorities for renewal of licences that become a tedious affair. “Therefore, a single committee of various government departments should be formed to regulate the industry through a single window and audit of plants,” said Assocham.

Besides, the centre can focus on development of mega parks for APIs across the country. These parks should be provided with common facilities such as effluent treatment plants, testing, power plants, IPR management and designing. These facilities should be maintained by special purpose vehicles.

Several other countries like China provide incentives and subsidies for promoting the manufacture of essential pharmaceutical raw material. This significantly reduces their cost of production and ability to supply API to the world market at a huge discount to the global prices. This discourages new domestic investment in the sector.


As in the case of almost every other sector except commodities(e.g spices), the API industry relies heavily on Chinese imports. Without them, Indian pharmaceutical industry will come crumbling down, Indian patients will die and live will indeed 'come to a standstill'.

Looks like the Chinese control even the fate of Indian lives:

Why choose to willfully omit the total number of trade for imports by nation(which is a blanket reflection of the amount of dependency Indians have on Chinese goods- no matter how creative in cooking up self-invented theories in distorting the situation in reality you are, or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking only data on components that fits your agenda)?

Largest trading partners[edit]
India's largest trade partners with their total trade (sum of imports and exports) in millions of US dollars for financial year 2014–15 were as follows:[4]



Rank Country Exports Imports Total Trade Trade Balance
- All countries 310,338.47 447,964.38 758,301.08 -137,625.92
1

China 11,934.25 60,413.17 72,347.42 -48,478.91
2

United States 42,448.66 21,814.60 64,263.26 20,634.05
3

United Arab Emirates 33,028.08 26,139.91 59,167.99 6,888.17




Source: https://defence.pk/threads/boycott-...ound-investments.458169/page-10#ixzz4Of4H2dwG

You're right .Can't do without it.Love Chinese toilet paper though .It's the only made in China product that seems to work consistently at my office & at home .

A big thanks to China .

seriously????? u Indians have to import EVEN toilet paper from China?

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

seriously????? u Indians have to import EVEN toilet paper from China?

No.but we love to.Esp if it's Chinese.It's the only reliable Chinese product ever.If you don't believe me , ask any Indian member on this forum.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Indiran Chandiran said:
You're right .Can't do without it.Love Chinese toilet paper though .It's the only made in China product that seems to work consistently at my office & at home .

A big thanks to China .

No.but we love to.Esp if it's Chinese.It's the only reliable Chinese product ever.If you don't believe me , ask any Indian member on this forum.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/boycott-...ound-investments.458169/page-10#ixzz4OfAejprM

you said Chinese toilet paper is the only chinese product that work consistently at your office and home. This means you are using them.

Now you do a 180degrees U-turn and claim 'no' .

i have no idea what you are talking

Time to see a doctor for your https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/boycott-...ound-investments.458169/page-10#ixzz4OfAejprM

you said Chinese toilet paper is the only chinese product that work consistently at your office and home. This means you are using them.

Now you do a 180degrees U-turn and claim 'no' .

i have no idea what you are talking

Where did I ever claim I wasn't using Chinese products ? Please point out a post by myself making such a claim

I use cheap brollies from PRC which rust & tear in a few months or an entire season whichever is lesser .I used to gift Chinese electronic items like calculators , electronic razors , etc to our vendors , suppliers , contractors , employees , etc . which don't last more than a year or two at the most .Nearly half of them broke down in a few months with no warranty worth the name .

The cell phone I got in an emergency( my I5 got stolen .In Guangzhou if you must know ) was a Moto 3g which keeps getting "hung" every now & then ( it's Lenovo.what else can one expect )

What I was stressing on was that durability / quality / reliability & Chinese products are mutually exclusive .Except for toilet paper.

Since , I use a cell phone to log in to this site , I can't see your country of origin.Assuming you are Chinese & hence also assuming that you may be using Baidu translation of the English to Manadarin & vice versa , I give you the benefit of the doubt on what are fairly simply written , grammatically correct structured sentences in English and hence easy to understand .

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Where did I ever claim I wasn't using Chinese products ? Please point out a post by myself making such a claim

I use cheap brollies from PRC which rust & tear in a few months or an entire season whichever is lesser .I used to gift Chinese electronic items like calculators , electronic razors , etc to our vendors , suppliers , contractors , employees , etc . which don't last more than a year or two at the most .Nearly half of them broke down in a few months with no warranty worth the name .

The cell phone I got in an emergency( my I5 got stolen .In Guangzhou if you must know ) was a Moto 3g which keeps getting "hung" every now & then ( it's Lenovo.what else can one expect )

What I was stressing on was that durability / quality / reliability & Chinese products are mutually exclusive .Except for toilet paper.

Since , I use a cell phone to log in to this site , I can't see your country of origin.Assuming you are Chinese & hence also assuming that you may be using Baidu translation of the English to Manadarin & vice versa , I give you the benefit of the doubt on what are fairly simply written , grammatically correct structured sentences in English and hence easy to understand .

Post 139. You own post. I asked only a single question and you replied a resounding 'no'.

Where did I ever claim I wasn't using Chinese products ? Please point out a post by myself making such a claim

I use cheap brollies from PRC which rust & tear in a few months or an entire season whichever is lesser .I used to gift Chinese electronic items like calculators , electronic razors , etc to our vendors , suppliers , contractors , employees , etc . which don't last more than a year or two at the most .Nearly half of them broke down in a few months with no warranty worth the name .

The cell phone I got in an emergency( my I5 got stolen .In Guangzhou if you must know ) was a Moto 3g which keeps getting "hung" every now & then ( it's Lenovo.what else can one expect )

What I was stressing on was that durability / quality / reliability & Chinese products are mutually exclusive .Except for toilet paper.

Since , I use a cell phone to log in to this site , I can't see your country of origin.Assuming you are Chinese & hence also assuming that you may be using Baidu translation of the English to Manadarin & vice versa , I give you the benefit of the doubt on what are fairly simply written , grammatically correct structured sentences in English and hence easy to understand .

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

Post 139. You own post. I asked only a single question and you replied a resounding 'no'.

Post a screenshot , will you ?

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

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seriously????? u Indians have to import EVEN toilet paper from China?


No.but we love to.Esp if it's Chinese.It's the only reliable Chinese product ever.If you don't believe me , ask any Indian member on this forum.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/boycott-...ound-investments.458169/page-10#ixzz4OfHF7Mhp

No.but we love to.Esp if it's Chinese.It's the only reliable Chinese product ever.If you don't believe me , ask any Indian member on this forum.

Post a screenshot , will you ?

dude Chinese suppliers or not cutting off supply of APIs for your dementia meds.

Rem to take them.

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/boycott-...ound-investments.458169/page-10#ixzz4OfHF7Mhp





dude Chinese suppliers or not cutting off supply of APIs for your dementia meds.

Rem to take them.

Man .You seriously have comprehension issues.Please read the post again.Its called a paradox .That's the figure of speech that can accurately capture what I posted.

 

[ohmrlobalobayeh]

Man .You seriously have comprehension issues.Please read the post again.Its called a paradox .That's the figure of speech that can accurately capture what I posted.

seriously????? u Indians have to import EVEN toilet paper from China?

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/boycott-...ound-investments.458169/page-10#ixzz4OfKjLeCo[/QUOTE]
I ask what i asked. what's so difficult in answering that question? Besides Dementia, looks like' ve got difficulty expressing yourself too

 

[beijingwalker]

let Indian consumers talk, let's see what will happen in one year time. we'll find by then whether Indian consumers really stop buying Chinese goods or only those Indian internet warriors claim they do.

Since many Indians here are screaming that they can live without Chinese products, then please honestly do.

 

[[Bregs]]

Diwali sales of Chinese goods dip 60 per cent: CAIT

Instead of Chinese goods, people prefer earthen lamps and decorative items made from paper, clay and plastic to decorate their houses and some even used last year's material for decoration purposes.


Traders’ body CAIT on Monday said that Chinese goods saw a 60 per cent decline in sales on Diwali this year as people preferred to buy Indian products after the boycott call on social media platforms went viral. According to the survey conducted in major cities by the Confederation of All India Traders (CAIT), even traders showed lack of enthusiasm in selling Chinese products.

By: PTI | New Delhi | Published:October 31, 2016 3:39 pm

Devotees lights oil lamps at a religious ceremony during the Diwali. (Reuters)​

Traders’ body CAIT on Monday said that Chinese goods saw a 60 per cent decline in sales on Diwali this year as people preferred to buy Indian products after the boycott call on social media platforms went viral. According to the survey conducted in major cities by the Confederation of All India Traders (CAIT), even traders showed lack of enthusiasm in selling Chinese products.



“Traders across the country were seen reluctant in displaying Chinese goods on the counter and even some traders put Make in India Board in their business establishments to woo the consumers,” the traders’ body said.

Instead of Chinese goods, people prefer earthen lamps and decorative items made from paper, clay and plastic to decorate their houses and some even used last year’s material for decoration purposes.

The estimates are based on data collected from 20 cities including Delhi, Mumbai, Nagpur, Jaipur, Ahmedabad, Kanpur and Bhopal, the major distribution centres across India.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...f-chinese-goods-dip-60-per-cent-cait-3730755/

 

[Crixus]

We used Diyas instead of Chinese lightings

Diwali sales of Chinese goods dip 60 per cent: CAIT

Instead of Chinese goods, people prefer earthen lamps and decorative items made from paper, clay and plastic to decorate their houses and some even used last year's material for decoration purposes.


Traders’ body CAIT on Monday said that Chinese goods saw a 60 per cent decline in sales on Diwali this year as people preferred to buy Indian products after the boycott call on social media platforms went viral. According to the survey conducted in major cities by the Confederation of All India Traders (CAIT), even traders showed lack of enthusiasm in selling Chinese products.

By: PTI | New Delhi | Published:October 31, 2016 3:39 pm

Devotees lights oil lamps at a religious ceremony during the Diwali. (Reuters)​

Traders’ body CAIT on Monday said that Chinese goods saw a 60 per cent decline in sales on Diwali this year as people preferred to buy Indian products after the boycott call on social media platforms went viral. According to the survey conducted in major cities by the Confederation of All India Traders (CAIT), even traders showed lack of enthusiasm in selling Chinese products.



“Traders across the country were seen reluctant in displaying Chinese goods on the counter and even some traders put Make in India Board in their business establishments to woo the consumers,” the traders’ body said.

Instead of Chinese goods, people prefer earthen lamps and decorative items made from paper, clay and plastic to decorate their houses and some even used last year’s material for decoration purposes.

The estimates are based on data collected from 20 cities including Delhi, Mumbai, Nagpur, Jaipur, Ahmedabad, Kanpur and Bhopal, the major distribution centres across India.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...f-chinese-goods-dip-60-per-cent-cait-3730755/

 

[beijingwalker]

Too early to tell ,let's see the result in a year.