China's military budget to rise 17.8 percent in 2007

[Janbaz]

BEIJING: China's military budget will increase by 17.8 percent in 2007, a senior official said Sunday, one day before Chinese lawmakers start their annual parliamentary session.

"In recent years, China has gradually been boosting its military expenditures," said Jiang Enzhu, a spokesman for the National People's Congress, the Chinese legislature. "But the increases have been in order to make up for the weak basis of the nation's defense."

Jiang Enzhu said at a news conference on the eve of the annual meeting of China's legislature that military spending would hit 350.92 billion yuan (US$44.94 billion; euro34.14 billion) in 2007 _ an increase of 52.99 billion yuan (US$6.84 billion; euro5.19 billion) over last year.

Jiang said most of the money would be spent on boosting wages and living allowances for members of the 2.5 million-strong People’s Liberation Army, and on upgrading armaments.

He said the military expenditures will account for 7.5 percent of total government expenditures in 2007, compared with 7.4 percent in 2006. "Overall, the proportion has been stable over the past few years," said Jiang.

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[Neo]

Good for China!
I'd be glad to see that budget doubled by 2010, with a $2.7trillion economy China can certainly afford it.
:ChinaFlag:

 

[Adux]

Malay

Time for 3%, and definitly $30 billion mark. Mr Antony and Mr. Chidabaram better get their asses moving along with the 3 services. We have a definite threat looming and we better be ready

 

[Contrarian]

I quite agree now, 3% a bloody bare minimum now. GoI must have known this comming, WTF are they limiting our budget to 2.1% for?

 

[Adux]

malay,

I will be honest, I see the Indian Budget currently at nearlt $25 billion, while the Chinese one should be around 75-80 billion. Considering the fact that we have better equipment and lower numbers and our training, we are in a safe position for the time being, heck I will consider a Pakistani Army better than Chinese, But in the next ten years things are going to change, Our image and influence as democracy will help us not going with them head to head.
Our economy is set for the second boom, very soon. But it is important that our babu's get their act to together with 3 services, strategic planners and other related insitutitions. We have to get out of the domestic issues and think global.... We are in deep **** otherwise.

 

[Contrarian]

We dont need to win against them in a direct war Adux.

All we need to do is create enough pressure that they cannot interfere. We want to have military bases of our own, exert influence in countries of South Asia and Central Asia of our own, we want to sufficiently militarily capable of that.

If we have the above, For the Chinese, this alone means a 'minimum deterrent'. We dont need to win, we just need to make sure, we CAN hurt them bad if they hurt our interests. India will never goto war with China alone, there will be allies and allies of the enemies.

We should be capable of minimum detterence and be capable of fostering allies that would help us. Say take Mayanmar, we can fund them, give military aid, etc etc and have some bases there, make Mayanmar fiercely loyal to us. We do to others and be to others what Russia has been to us, to counter China like Russia did to counter US.

Nukes would assure there is no direct confrontation. That is why i had said in an earlier thread, we need Agni III. So that we can cover all of China, and China should know that we can and we will strike.

And btw our strategic planners have started maturing already, if you have started looking at the big picture you willl notice a pattern. Look east finally giving fruits, navy, coast guard, focus on AF, bases, warm ties, etc, etc. They know now, its not like the old days.

 

[Goodperson]

China at present is well ahead of India no doubt

 

[Contrarian]

Well actually, as of now, China has a LOT of quantity and very low quality.
That means most of their stuff is absolute junk, even our MiG 21's are Bison's atleast. But they have it in HUGE quantities. SO as of now, there is not such that if China attacks India, then she can sweep over us. But China is modernizing her armed forces VERY fast, and that is what is worrysome, if this trend continues and India does not modernize, then there would be no effective comparison between India and China.

That is what we want to avoid, sort of a deja vu with Pakistan isnt it?!?!
We cannot compete with China, for she is bigger, and has more equipment, we know in the future, this gap will widen because of her better economy. But we cant slacken ourselves either. The only way for India to compete is to have naval bases and allies in the region. And you see the govt is working actively towards it. We got Myanmar in our bag, we got Mauritious in our bag, tajikistan, maldives, sechelles and other naval countries, we got some other countries like that too. Before a bigger role can be played globally, we have to be unchallenged locally. So therefore in S.Asia there can be only 1 power, and that is India for now. But if China starts to enter the IOR, that will change, and that can be avoided easily by following the policy we have started.

Forget about right or wrong, do whats in the best interest. Like our desicion to engage the Myanmar military junta, previously we were saying that its not a democracy so no contact b/w them and us, then suddenly India realised that in its absense China had started to come in, then India went in full steam ahead, donated military equipment, etc , etc, hell we even gifted two Islander aircrafts to Myanmar INSPITE of Britain saying a flat no.
We gifted Sechelles i think an IN ship in ACTIVE SERVICE, so that China does not come in. Things are on the right path.

So you see, no longer does India care for trivial things like democracy LOL, now national interests are supreme, and many a lengths will be crossed for it. India is maturing as country and excercising her power. And that is why you see, India is trying SO hard for a HUGE navy.

 

[EagleEyes]

This is the race which India cannot even dream to win. Its about time that it should resolve the issues. Otherwise Pakistan & China or may be even Bangladesh in the future will be hard to stick with.

 

[PakSniper]

This is the race which India cannot even dream to win. Its about time that it should resolve the issues. Otherwise Pakistan & China or may be even Bangladesh in the future will be hard to stick with.

I just read on defensetalk.com news,. about US freaking out at Chinese Naval development. With those new Ballistic Missile Launch able subs.

But this is a very good sign indeed for China. :ChinaFlag:

 

[Adux]

Well actually, as of now, China has a LOT of quantity and very low quality.
That means most of their stuff is absolute junk, even our MiG 21's are Bison's atleast. But they have it in HUGE quantities. SO as of now, there is not such that if China attacks India, then she can sweep over us. But China is modernizing her armed forces VERY fast, and that is what is worrysome, if this trend continues and India does not modernize, then there would be no effective comparison between India and China.

That is what we want to avoid, sort of a deja vu with Pakistan isnt it?!?!
We cannot compete with China, for she is bigger, and has more equipment, we know in the future, this gap will widen because of her better economy. But we cant slacken ourselves either. The only way for India to compete is to have naval bases and allies in the region. And you see the govt is working actively towards it. We got Myanmar in our bag, we got Mauritious in our bag, tajikistan, maldives, sechelles and other naval countries, we got some other countries like that too. Before a bigger role can be played globally, we have to be unchallenged locally. So therefore in S.Asia there can be only 1 power, and that is India for now. But if China starts to enter the IOR, that will change, and that can be avoided easily by following the policy we have started.

Forget about right or wrong, do whats in the best interest. Like our desicion to engage the Myanmar military junta, previously we were saying that its not a democracy so no contact b/w them and us, then suddenly India realised that in its absense China had started to come in, then India went in full steam ahead, donated military equipment, etc , etc, hell we even gifted two Islander aircrafts to Myanmar INSPITE of Britain saying a flat no.
We gifted Sechelles i think an IN ship in ACTIVE SERVICE, so that China does not come in. Things are on the right path.

So you see, no longer does India care for trivial things like democracy LOL, now national interests are supreme, and many a lengths will be crossed for it. India is maturing as country and excercising her power. And that is why you see, India is trying SO hard for a HUGE navy.

Most of the military proffessionals rather than the kids think otherwise, India have placed itself in such a situation that it can more than just hurt, Most military proffessionals, WAB, Militaryphotos.net consider India to be hot favorites; Most of them are not convinced about the Chinese Strategic Planning and Doctrinal capacities, Heck they consider Pakistani Generals Forces much more effective and brilliant than the chinese. As I say said before, Having the Toys something, Using it is different.

What you have to understand is, When India's modernizing plans will only take off after 2011, after the first batch of replacements, the chinese have already begun, and their new toys are not a threat to the IN. The major other factor is the USN. Lets give them the credit, USN is a battle-hardened, professional humogous fighting machine; we are en-route to be allies vis Chinese. they have no chance in hell. As of now Chinese can do sqwat to the Indians even without the USN. But if we sit on our asses, which we usually do, 10 years from now, things will be differnet

Now lets come to economics, Indian economy is based on a far superior banking system than China, this where all of them see the problems, The amount of Bad Loans being reported in China, is simply astounding, Chinese are taking serious steps to resolve this, but if they cant, We have a bummer in our hands. Hopefully non of you has Chinese stocks. Indian Economy is no sloutch, It is expected to reach double digits soon, esp after some more infrastructural reforms as well as agricultural, I am waiting for 3 budgets from mow.

 

[Contrarian]

This is the race which India cannot even dream to win. Its about time that it should resolve the issues. Otherwise Pakistan & China or may be even Bangladesh in the future will be hard to stick with.

Therein lies your weakness if you say Pakistan and China. China is no friend of yours, keep that in mind, they will not help you in a war. Its Pakistan ALONE. If you cannot win alone, you cannot win otherwise.

India cannot match China in chinese seas. Its a good match right now in the open seas.In the Indian Ocean, the Chinese Navy will get whopped.
Thats how the relation is now. Things are changing, and IN is getting a lot of stuf too. Even in the future, PLAAN will not be able to get IOR. IN will be unchallenged in IOR, PLAAN will not be able to defeat IN in IOR.

This battle is region specific. If you think IOR, then IN is supreme without doubt, if you think South CHina sea, etc, etc PLAAAN is supreme without doubt. Either one cannot defeat the other. And in anycase, not we but USN is the main threat to China. Should there be a war between USN and PLAAN in the future, not now, IN would be the deciding force.

 

[PakSniper]

Therein lies your weakness if you say Pakistan and China. China is no friend of yours, keep that in mind, they will not help you in a war. Its Pakistan ALONE. If you cannot win alone, you cannot win otherwise.

India cannot match China in chinese seas. Its a good match right now in the open seas.In the Indian Ocean, the Chinese Navy will get whopped.
Thats how the relation is now. Things are changing, and IN is getting a lot of stuf too. Even in the future, PLAAN will not be able to get IOR. IN will be unchallenged in IOR, PLAAN will not be able to defeat IN in IOR.

This battle is region specific. If you think IOR, then IN is supreme without doubt, if you think South CHina sea, etc, etc PLAAAN is supreme without doubt. Either one cannot defeat the other. And in anycase, not we but USN is the main threat to China. Should there be a war between USN and PLAAN in the future, not now, IN would be the deciding force.

Yeah thats why they helped us in the past, and supplied us weapons. Please, talk logic instead of ranting on with things you can't back up. Their are articles online which I believe even you can pull out, which showed China helping Pakistan in the past and future developments, etc. So, stop with this they aren't your friends, etc. If you say that we can say Russia isn't India's friend and willn't help out in war. So when you write come to reality and leave fantasy world behind. War isn't about Navy battles only.

Also thier is no way USN will fight Chinese Navy, their is way to much at risk for both nations but mostly US who owe China money, etc and China which is holding US currency up with their reserves and other dollar tradings, and I doubt IN will get involved cause, it willn't only be a war in water but also land and air which IA and IAF willn't be able to win against China.

But as of right now India (Navy) will have advantage but with China's rapid build-up soon the gap will close, remember it's not only IN using Russian equipment so are China on their ships, etc.

 

[Contrarian]

Yeah thats why they helped us in the past, and supplied us weapons. Please, talk logic instead of ranting on with things you can't back up. Their are articles online which I believe even you can pull out, which showed China helping Pakistan in the past and future developments, etc. So, stop with this they aren't your friends, etc. If you say that we can say Russia isn't India's friend and willn't help out in war. So when you write come to reality and leave fantasy world behind.

Yes and i stand by my statement, Russia wont actively participate in our war. So any hopes that China will come to Pakistan's aid in a war is foolish at the least. All China can do is give supplies and spare parts and some military equipment, nothing else, neither can Russia. If you think otherwise that China will fight your war for you, you are very sadly mistaken. A country has to win a war on its own.

War isn't about Navy battles only.

Also thier is no way USN will fight Chinese Navy, their is way to much at risk for both nations but mostly US who owe China money, etc and China which is holding US currency up with their reserves and other dollar tradings, and I doubt IN will get involved cause, it willn't only be a war in water but also land and air which IA and IAF willn't be able to win against China.

Says who? IAF and IA can hold their forte easily against PLAAF, and PLA easily in their own country. They cannot fight or hold well in another place or China, but here, its quite simple. And IAF does have the abblity to give some punitive strikes as well as defend.

And i assure you, it isnt India that will be fighting China first. It will be another nation. Why do you think all powers are wooing India? Becase whichever side India fights from will become severely heavy.

But as of right now India (Navy) will have advantage but with China's rapid build-up soon the gap will close, remember it's not only IN using Russian equipment so are China on their ships, etc.

India is also making its own ships, and building up its Navy VERY actively. By 2020 we should have a 3 carrier navy. By 2012 we will have a 2 carrier Navy with the assorted CBG ofcourse.

 

[Adux]

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India, Japan, US to hold joint military exercise in April

Monday, March 05, 2007

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Tokyo: India, Japan and US will hold their first joint military drill in April in the Pacific off Japan's coast that will focus on maritime security.

The week-long drill will focus on maritime security during large-scale natural disasters, such as earthquakes and tsunamis, Kyodo News agency reported today.

The drill, called by the Pentagon, comes amid rising concerns at the growing military power in the region of China, which announced yesterday an increase in its defence budget by 17.8 per cent for 2007, the agency said.

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has said he wants to build closer ties with India. The move comes after Abe and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh agreed in Tokyo in December to develop their geo-strategic relationship, the report said. Japan and India have also agreed to begin talks on a free trade pact.

Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force will dispatch escort vessels and patrol helicopters during the drill.

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