US links immunity for ISI's Pasha to Davis case

[Gossipmonger]

Those who thought they can arm-twist US for the release of Aafia in exchange with Raymond, here is the American Counter-punch!!!

US links immunity for ISI's Pasha to Davis case: Report
Tue Mar 01 2011, 12:51 hrs

The US has linked sovereign immunity for ISI chief Ahmed Shuja Pasha in a lawsuit filed by relatives of victims of the Mumbai attacks in a Brooklyn court to the diplomatic immunity for an American arrested for the Lahore double murder, a media report said in Islamabad.

The US administration "appears willing to claim sovereign immunity for the ISI chief in this case provided Pakistan also granted diplomatic immunity to Mr (Raymond) Davis, who is a CIA contractor," Dawn newspaper quoted unnamed sources as saying.

"At one stage, the Americans were going to file papers in the court, stating that the ISI chief enjoyed sovereign immunity but decided not to do so after Mr Davis' arrest," an official source told the newspaper.

The court in Brooklyn has accepted the petition against the ISI chief for the agency's alleged involvement in the Mumbai attacks, the report said.


The arrest of another alleged CIA operative in Peshawar for over-staying his visa has further annoyed the Americans, who pointed out that more than 100,000 Pakistanis were living in the US after the expiry of their visas, it said.

"The Americans seem to indicate that they too can start deporting Pakistani citizens," the official source told Dawn.

The Americans seem willing to discuss Islamabad's demand for sharing information on the CIA's activities in Pakistan "provided the Pakistanis also shared relevant information," the source said.

A court in Brooklyn last year summoned ISI chief Lt Gen Pasha and his predecessor Nadeem Taj and Lashker-e-Toiba

leaders, including Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, to appear before it in connection with the lawsuit filed by relatives of Rabbi

Gavriel Holtzberg and his wife, who were among 166 people killed during the Mumbai attacks.

The Pakistan government has said it will protect the interests of all officials named in the lawsuit but skirted the issue of defending private individuals like Saeed.

Davis was arrested in Lahore on January 27 after he shot and killed two armed men who he claimed were trying to rob him.

Pakistani leaders, fearful of a public backlash due to rising anti-American sentiments, have refused to release Davis on grounds of diplomatic immunity and said his case will be settled by the courts.

US links immunity for ISI's Pasha to Davis case: Report

 

[Veeru]

That will only complicate ISI-CIA relations further, but it will be good news for India.

 

[Kompromat]

Who has Pasha ? = Pakistan
Who has Davis ? = Pakistan

US has Nothing - apart from repenting on their illegal spying activities on our soil being blown up !

 

[Awesome]

lol @ "counter-punch", the US doesn't have Shuja Pasha in custody. We won't ever send Shuja Pasha to the US without first affirming his immunity in paper.

 

[ares]

Carrot had been dangled(not very lucrative though)....if this fails... I guess it will time for the stick.

 

[Markus]

This is actually very interesting. I didn't expect Pakistan to hold off the American pressure for so long.

 

[Gossipmonger]

lol @ "counter-punch", the US doesn't have Shuja Pasha in custody. We won't ever send Shuja Pasha to the US without first affirming his immunity in paper.

Actually, US doesn't need to take Mr. Pasha into custody. They just have to expose his involvement in 26/11 Mumbai Terror attack.

 

[Awesome]

Actually, US doesn't need to take Mr. Pasha into custody. They just have to expose his involvement in 26/11 Mumbai Terror attack.

Thats not what the courts are for, the court can't try a person till he is not present. For example, Musharraf only got declared absconder, not guilty.

Not to mention the can of worms Pakistan can open with the actual CIA personnel on the ground serving in Pakistan.

 

[Gossipmonger]

Not to mention the can of worms Pakistan can open with the actual CIA personnel on the ground serving in Pakistan.

Yea...& deprive your country by Billions of Dollar of Blood Money & other Aid!!!
Actually, Current Pak regime neither has balls nor the time is appropriate to do so even if you are in knowledge of illegal CIA syndicate in Pak. Forgive me if I am sounding little blunt here.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Actually, US doesn't need to take Mr. Pasha into custody. They just have to expose his involvement in 26/11 Mumbai Terror attack.

Whether that will happen is still unknown. As of now with that case pending in the Brooklyn court, chances are that Mr. Pasha will find it difficult to travel to the US and some other countries. That will be the beginning. Later his assets (if any) in some countries will be under threat. That is all.

 

[GUNS-N- ROSES]

not a good bargain. i think it is jus another tactic to put pressure on pak. it wont work well. IMHO, davis will be released eventually but the price for davis's release will be fixed by pakistan and pakistan alone. surely washington will negotiate with islamabad but it wont be easy to expect an easy deal as islamabad holds all aces.

 

[Markus]

But this Davis episode has brought some good things for Pakistan. I just read that many CIA operatives have exited Pakistan after Davis arrest.

 

[Spring Onion]

bwahahahahhahahahahahahah immunity for Ambassador Pasha who had killed Americans ????????//

Americans have been exposed badly and now you can play tricks we dont care. Pasha is going to be retired in this very month so after that you can dangle the carrot in your own American donkas .

 

[Bang Galore]

Prescient what?

Much to the dismay of many here, the final conclusion to this case is pretty much a no-brainer. The Pakistani establishment cannot simply afford to question an immunity claim by the Americans. The case against the ISI chief in the U.S. can & will be used as leverage if needed. There is simply no way that Pakistan can claim immunity for its officials in that case while refusing to grant the same to an American official. The longer this drags on, the worse it is going to be when the decision to free this guy is finally made.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...is-case-developing-story-103.html#post1466503

Actually they don't. This is a matter to be decided by the foreign office, not courts. This is a dangerous game that is being played, a resulting corollary using your argument would be for the American court trying a case wherein the present & former ISI chiefs have been named to, by your rule determine that they are liable regardless of the fact that Pakistan claims immunity for them. There will be no joy for Pakistan, going down that street
http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...is-case-developing-story-110.html#post1467005

There doesn't have to be direct sanctions. There is a case brought in the U.S. against the present & former ISI chiefs and against the ISI itself along with chaps like Hafeez Saeed. Maybe, the next time your guys leave Pakistan, they may have to consider whether a warrant by a U.S. court might be waiting for them.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...ak-diplomats-abroad-report-3.html#post1515433

 

[Spring Onion]

But this Davis episode has brought some good things for Pakistan. I just read that many CIA operatives have exited Pakistan after Davis arrest.

Yes it did. and i believe our agencies are far more patient and handling things wisely than banking on emotionalism and i feel all those who are talking about total sell out to US/CIA are merely acting emotionally