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U.S. gives up effort to train Syrian opposition forces.

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The United States has suspended its $500-million program to train and equip Syrian opposition forces known as the New Syrian Forces, or NSF. Washington was relying on the risky program to create a rebel army that could counter the Islamic State and directly respond to U.S. interests in Syria. However, already on shaky footing after Jabhat al-Nusra attacked the first batch of NSF fighters July 30, the NSF program received another devastating blow when one of its commanders handed over U.S.-supplied weapons, vehicles, and equipment to Jabhat al-Nusra in exchange for safe passage. By abandoning the program, Washington risks losing its ability to influence events on the ground in Syria.

Analysis
The United States is not the only country impacted by the decision to cancel the program. The initiative had fostered considerable coordination among Turkey, Jordan, and the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC). This collaboration will be hard hit as the countries involved revert to focusing primarily on their respective rebel proxies in Syria, leaving Washington with less of an ability to temper the involvement of its regional partners. Turkey and the GCC will likely continue to counterbalance Russia's assistance to the Syrian government by providing increased weaponry, equipment and other forms of assistance to their preferred rebel groups — many of which the United States is unwilling to work with or see strengthened. Meanwhile, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Al-Jubeir criticized Russia's backing of Syrian President Bashar al Assad and said that Riyadh is still considering a military intervention to force a regime change in Damascus.

Turkey remains steadfast in its goal of establishing a no-fly zone in northern Syria and is actively courting European countries for support. But so long as Russia continues to insist that any foreign intervention in Syria be coordinated with Damascus, a no-fly zone without U.S. support is unlikely. Despite Turkey's hostility toward Syria, Ankara is loath to move forward with the project alone, especially if it means challenging Russia. Nevertheless, given increased domestic political pressure and concern over developments in the Syrian conflict, Turkey may still push ahead with ettempts to carve out a so-called buffer zone in northern Aleppo province, even if this does not amount to an outright no-fly zone.

Washington's Options
Rapid changes in Syria will force the United States to rely, at least in the short term, on successful measures already in place. The first measure is the U.S.-led air campaign against the Islamic State, which gives the coalition considerable leverage throughout the region. Turkey, for instance, will continue to push the United States to strike Islamic State elements in northern Aleppo, thereby assisting Ankara's rebel proxies and covering Turkey against the Russians. And, as long as the Islamic State poses a threat to the Gulf Cooperation Council, any efforts by the bloc to oppose it would be seriously undermined without U.S. air power.

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Second, the United States may also enhance its relationship with the Kurdish People's Protection Units (also known as the YPG) and their Free Syrian Army allies, potentially creating an opportunity to challenge the Syrian city of Raqqa, the Islamic State's self-proclaimed capital. The greatest obstacle to coordinating with the People's Protection Units, however, is Turkish opposition. Washington will have to tread carefully as it supports the Kurds to avoid seriously damaging its relationship with Ankara.

Finally, though the U.S. military's attempt to train the New Syrian Forces appears to have failed, it is important to remember that the United States still maintains a CIA-led initiative to train and equip Free Syrian Army rebels fighting al Assad. Though it is a less ambitious program than the one involving the NSF, and though the United States has less influence over these rebels, the CIA operation has had considerable success generating pressure on al Assad's forces. This program, with its large supply of TOW anti-tank guided munitions, is a key tool the United States can use to pressure the al Assad government and even discourage a more active Russian ground deployment in Syria. However, unlike the NSF initiative, the CIA program does not address the Islamic State problem.

What's Been Lost
None of its existing measures will enable the United States to achieve what it hoped to gain through the New Syrian Forces: influence over events in Syria and a viable opponent to the Islamic State. As it is, Washington finds its options in Syria even more constrained than before the NSF program started. The Russians have moved into Syria, Turkey and the Gulf Arab states are now less keen to follow a U.S. lead, and the Syrian rebels are less trusting of Washington's ability and motivations.

For now, the United States will be forced to react to unfolding events as it forms a new overarching strategy for Syria. Russia will drive events with its support of al Assad, and Washington will scramble to adjust to Russian moves even as it works with Moscow to deconflict its air campaign. Longer term, the United States sees a negotiated settlement to the conflict as its best option. But because of the myriad competing interests, an understanding between regional and global powers on Syria is still far off — and that assumes Syrian rebel groups would even accept such an agreement.

In Syria, the U.S. Gives Up On Its Rebel Force
U.S. halts effort to train Syrian opposition forces - CBS News
 
The Americans are calling a time out. I think they finally understand that arming jihadis is not a good idea. I dont think they will be supplying any more advanced American equipment to their existing assets in syria as well. Russia will soon over-run the jihadis and it could cause serious PR issues for Americans if we discovered Nusra or the like using the latest American made gear..

This is pretty much game over for the rest of the militants left in Syria. They will be mopped up pretty easily now as they are demoralized and out of support. We will massacre them .

I just hope the Americans give up their habit of arming jihadis in the hopes that they can somehow control crazed religious cannibals. Its not possible to control these things and the only way to deal with them is a bullet to the head.
 
The Americans are calling a time out. I think they finally understand that arming jihadis is not a good idea. I dont think they will be supplying any more advanced American equipment to their existing assets in syria as well. Russia will soon over-run the jihadis and it could cause serious PR issues for Americans if we discovered Nusra or the like using the latest American made gear..

This is pretty much game over for the rest of the militants left in Syria. They will be mopped up pretty easily now as they are demoralized and out of support. We will massacre them .

I just hope the Americans give up their habit of arming jihadis in the hopes that they can somehow control crazed religious cannibals. Its not possible to control these things and the only way to deal with them is a bullet to the head.
Too early to conclude, this could turn out to be a trap for Russia. GCC countries and Turkey will increase their support for rebels. Russian economy is already very weak, if US has a plan to covertly support Anti-Assad forces, this mean Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia all over again.
 
Too early to conclude, this could turn out to be a trap for Russia. GCC countries and Turkey will increase their support for rebels. Russian economy is already very weak, if US has a plan to covertly support Anti-Assad forces, this mean Afghanistan 2.0 for Russia all over again.

Everybody is too eager to jump to the Afghanistan 2.0 conclusion on this website. Our objectives and MO are totally different in Syria.

There is no way the Americans will risk their advanced equipment get into the hands of cannibal jihadis who might turn it towards commercial airliners in europe. There is no way the Americans would want their equipment that close to us without having personal control over it. What guarantee do they have that a jihadi wont just drop his shiny new American MANPAD and run for the hills soon as he hears an SU 34 come his way? No chance of covert support this time. News travels way too fast in 2015 and the internet would light up. Americans wont risk it.

This is a done deal. American is stepping off and we are stepping in to clean house. Also as we do not fight with one hand behind our backs like the Americans, we will be able to decimate the jihadis with extreme prejudice.

Have a look at this video from 5:15 onwards.

 
Everybody is too eager to jump to the Afghanistan 2.0 conclusion on this website. Our objectives and MO are totally different in Syria.

There is no way the Americans will risk their advanced equipment get into the hands of cannibal jihadis who might turn it towards commercial airliners in europe. There is no way the Americans would want their equipment that close to us without having personal control over it. What guarantee do they have that a jihadi wont just drop his shiny new American MANPAD and run for the hills soon as he hears an SU 34 come his way? No chance of covert support this time. News travels way too fast in 2015 and the internet would light up. Americans wont risk it.

This is a done deal. American is stepping off and we are stepping in to clean house. Also as we do not fight with one hand behind our backs like the Americans, we will be able to decimate the jihadis with extreme prejudice.

Have a look at this video from 5:15 onwards.

Chechnya and Dagestan had no foreign support. Afghanistan did, and the outcome was different. Syrians also got foreign support i.e. Turkey and GCC. GCC means US. You forgot Chinese FN-6 MANPADS and all types of ATGMs are already in Syria. Without boots on ground, I don't see Russians making any gains cuz when it comes to aerial bombing, US has already mastered the art, still US is struggling.
 
Chechnya and Dagestan had no foreign support. Afghanistan did, and the outcome was different. Syrian also got foreign support i.e. Turkey and GCC. GCC means US. You forgot Chinese FN-6 MANPADS and all types of ATGMs are already in the Syria. Without boots on ground, I don't see Russians making any gains cuz when it comes to aerial bombing, US has already mastered the art, still US is struggling.

Again you are comparing totally different campaigns and mentalities. Conflcits do not work this way. Each one is unique with unique circumstances and requirements of how you react to those circumstances.

The Arabs and Turkey cannot go to the bathroom without asking Uncle Sam so they wont lift a finger to help the rebels. They also know that advanced equipment might leak to more hardcore groups and find its way back home to their fragile little homes and cause all sorts of problems. Besides, small arms are fine but advanced US equipment is the best in the world and it is not handed out like candy. US wont allow it.

We know about all existing anti air weaponry in Syria and have taken measures to counter it. This is not our first conflict and sure as hell wont be our last. We know what to do.

As for ariel bombings, when a terrorist runs into a mosque in Afghanistan or Iraq, the US didn't bomb them despite having the firepower to level the ground 10 times over in just one of their Helos.

We on the other hand do not hesitate like this. We do not allow things like religious matters or civilians get in the way of us achieving our targets. Human shields do not work against Russia.
 
Assad barrel bombs were nothing, these so called rebels will now find out what it is to be at war with a foe who's really out to crush them without hands ties behind their back.

Raqqa and every other rebel/isis held town will now be groznied

looking forward to the carnage. :devil:
 
Again you are comparing totally different campaigns and mentalities. Conflcits do not work this way. Each one is unique with unique circumstances and requirements of how you react to those circumstances.

The Arabs and Turkey cannot go to the bathroom without asking Uncle Sam so they wont lift a finger to help the rebels. They also know that advanced equipment might leak to more hardcore groups and find its way back home to their fragile little homes and cause all sorts of problems. Besides, small arms are fine but advanced US equipment is the best in the world and it is not handed out like candy. US wont allow it.

We know about all existing anti air weaponry in Syria and have taken measures to counter it. This is not our first conflict and sure as hell wont be our last. We know what to do.

As for ariel bombings, when a terrorist runs into a mosque in Afghanistan or Iraq, the US didn't bomb them despite having the firepower to level the ground 10 times over in just one of their Helos.

We on the other hand do not hesitate like this. We do not allow things like religious matters or civilians get in the way of us achieving our targets. Human shields do not work against Russia.
I think you are over excited, lets wait and watch.
 
The us should stop listening to turkey for ideas. It's better to flush $500 million down the toilet than to listen to these idiots on how to run the Middle East. Under Turkish influence, the Middle East has hit rock bottom
 
I think you are over excited, lets wait and watch.

And I think you have no idea how conflicts work. Youre probably still in the phase in your life where you think playing some video games makes you knowledgeable about geo-strategic matters.

You are absolutely clueless how well the US and Russia know each other. We can tell you exactly what the Americans can do before they know it themselves.

Bookmark my reply in case you forget. US will leave the jihadis high and dry, no advanced equipment will be sent. Jihadis will be slaughtered like animals by the Russians. Assad will stay in power and the Qatar - Turkey gas pipeline will never be built.
 
Nice checkmate from Russia, this is beautifully done.

Not only to preserve the Assad regime, but also to bring the US on the table for the negotiation over Ukraine, a well executed one stone two birds tactic.
Assad regime is dead already. Everything he controls is little portion of totally failed state.
 
Assad regime is dead already. Everything he controls is little portion of totally failed state.
And in what way does an Al Nusra dominated state on your borders help Israel?
 
And in what way does an Al Nusra dominated state on your borders help Israel?

It will allow for the arab-europe gas pipeline under a puppet Nato government which will reduce Europe's dependence on Russian gas and hurt Russia and Iran at the same time.

This pipeline is the reason of this whole conflict. Do you think a israeli cares about arab civilians?

Syria intervention plans fuelled by oil interests, not chemical weapon concerns | Nafeez Ahmed | Environment | The Guardian
 

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